[TweakTown] Fiji Nano is NOT "Full Fiji".

[Sabrewings]

Do gamers really care about such metrics? It is a card geared towards gamers not general population. I for one, don't as long as noise level is under control. It does matter to off the cord usage but I don't see Fiji landing into a laptop.
BTW. What's the fastest mobile AMD card?

Power output is important to me and a big reason I could not go with the Fury X in any way. Watts consumed by the card are watts released by heat. I almost went with the 980 before the 980 Ti was announced because the 165w TDP was very appealing for a box I sit in the same room with. I opted for the 980 Ti as it will probably be the de facto Nvidia card to have for VR until Pascal launches.

As it is with my 980 Ti, GPU usage is usually below 40% on my 1080p TV without DSR on. Corresponding GPU temps are 30C, so pretty low heat output. When I have to occupy the same room with a system, how much heat it's going to output over the course of a few hours can be a huge consideration.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Fury X is clearly bottlenecked somewhere at 1080p: its either drivers or rops or something. its possible we won't really see any performance degradadation at 1080p over the Fury X if AMD puts the right combination of parts together.

Fury X (x2) for 4k
Fury Pro for 1440p
Fury nano for 1080p

 

[tential]

Power output is important to me and a big reason I could not go with the Fury X in any way. Watts consumed by the card are watts released by heat. I almost went with the 980 before the 980 Ti was announced because the 165w TDP was very appealing for a box I sit in the same room with. I opted for the 980 Ti as it will probably be the de facto Nvidia card to have for VR until Pascal launches.

As it is with my 980 Ti, GPU usage is usually below 40% on my 1080p TV without DSR on. Corresponding GPU temps are 30C, so pretty low heat output. When I have to occupy the same room with a system, how much heat it's going to output over the course of a few hours can be a huge consideration.

So you use LED lighting in your room right? And you do know that low temps doesn't mean low heat output correct?

But whatever, this is the type of arguments I expect at this point.

 

[Lepton87]

Fury-X is clearly not targeted at 1080p gaming so I don't think it a good resolution to make comparisons at. 2560x1440 is the most relevant resolution for high-end cards. IMHO Geforce 970 GTX is the perfect card for that resolution.

ps. The best way to reduce your CO2 output is to hang your car keys and use public transport. I've heard that in the US there are streets in inhabited areas that don't even have sidewalks, is that true or just a pick at how much power people use in the US per capita?

 

[Sabrewings]

So you use LED lighting in your room right? And you do know that low temps doesn't mean low heat output correct?

But whatever, this is the type of arguments I expect at this point.

Yes, I do have LEDs, in the whole house.

Regarding temps, if the TDP of the card is 250w, and at that full load of 250w it has a delta T of 15C above idle, then if the card is only at a delta T of 5C, you can extrapolate it to be about a third its TDP output (extrapolating for higher delta Ts causing more efficient heat transfer).

Yes, I do understand, though without giving a relative max load I can see your misunderstanding. I have enough radiator capacity for my system to move 800w at only 10C delta T water above ambient temp, so I understand that cool temps don't necessarily correlate to heat output.

Is this the type of "arguments" to expect around here (to include passive aggressive comments like yours)? I put it in quotes because to call your side a full argument is a misuse of the word.

 

[shady28]

Fury-X is clearly not targeted at 1080p gaming so I don't think it a good resolution to make comparisons at. 2560x1440 is the most relevant resolution for high-end cards. IMHO Geforce 970 GTX is the perfect card for that resolution.

ps. The best way to reduce your CO2 output is to hang your car keys and use public transport. I've heard that in the US there are streets in inhabited areas that don't even have sidewalks, is that true or just a pick at how much power people use in the US per capita?

Thread isn't about Fury-X though, it's about Nano.

Perf/watt is about a lot more than the cost of the power. If you think that doesn't matter, you're fooling yourself.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Do gamers really care about such metrics? It is a card geared towards gamers not general population. I for one, don't as long as noise level is under control. It does matter to off the cord usage but I don't see Fiji landing into a laptop.

It does matter quite a bit.

BTW. What's the fastest mobile AMD card?

M295X that is known to notoriously overheat at 125W.

 

[Sabrewings]

Thread isn't about Fury-X though, it's about Nano.

Perf/watt is about a lot more than the cost of the power. If you think that doesn't matter, you're fooling yourself.

That's a funny graphic, I guess, but without the wattage of the heater and PC it loses relevance. Though, it's on point with the general idea. PCs are space heaters that get computational work done in the process. Heat output is generated in the same manner (resistance to current).

 

[shady28]

That's a funny graphic, I guess, but without the wattage of the heater and PC it loses relevance. Though, it's on point with the general idea. PCs are space heaters that get computational work done in the process. Heat output is generated in the same manner (resistance to current).

Agree, that chart is an exaggeration. It's 3x Titan X's vs a 1000 or 1500W space heater (I forget which).

Fury X based on power draw, has about the same heat output as this space heater though (to be fair, Titan X is pretty close too).

http://www.amazon.com/NewAir-AH-400-Portable-Space-Heater/dp/B009L40S0S

 

[Sabrewings]

Agree, that chart is an exaggeration. It's 3x Titan X's vs a 1000 or 1500W space heater (I forget which).

Fury X based on power draw, has about the same heat output as this space heater though (to be fair, Titan X is pretty close too).

http://www.amazon.com/NewAir-AH-400-Portable-Space-Heater/dp/B009L40S0S

I have a 500w space heater that I use in the garage while I'm doing car projects. My garage is decently insulated, and as long as I keep it relatively close by and the roll up doors shut you wouldn't really know it's 20F outside. And that's only 500w, which a pair of high end video cards can easily hit on their own, much less the rest of the system.

When I originally spec'd out my current system's cooling ability, I did it with the intent of being able to handle a second 250w TDP card with ease. After thinking about sitting in a 70F room for long periods of time with that heater going (hint, it wouldnt' stay 70F and I usually shut the door when I game), I think I'll just upgrade to a smaller node architecture than add another 850 BTU/hr of heat into the room.

 

[nitromullet]

How is Nano looking silly at MSRP of $550 if it is as fast (or faster ??) as GTX980 with MSRP $550 ???

...because the GTX 980 is over priced relative to the GTX 970 and 980 Ti. The GTX 980 should be $429 MSRP for a stock card, $449-459 for aftermarket cooled/OC'ed cards, and maybe $479-499 for extreme edition cards.

Although, paying close to $500 for any GTX 980 is silly considering you could save up an extra $150 for a GTX 980 Ti and get a massive bump in performance.

Depending on where the Fury and Fury Nano fall in the performance scale, they should be priced relative to the GTX 980 Ti and 970, not the 980.

 

[Qwertilot]

Well yes, but its definitely pointless complaining about the price if they're selling all of them anyway

Once they can actually produce the things in any sort of volume? Then if they're not selling can talk about the prices.

 

[StereoPixel]

So TweakTown is out with their leaks on the nano.

I don't see anything about the Nano in that article.

 

[nitromullet]

Well yes, but its definitely pointless complaining about the price if they're selling all of them anyway

Once they can actually produce the things in any sort of volume? Then if they're not selling can talk about the prices.

It's all speculation at this point because they aren't selling (or selling out of)
anything at this point. The card hasn't even launched yet.

The point was more about comparing anything price wise relative to the GTX 980 because the GTX 980 is currently massively over priced. It's always been kind of a rip off, but after the launch of the $650 Ti it's just silly.