tweaktown gx2 review

nRollo

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Originally posted by: dasracht
It's hard to believe how bad it is with AA enabled. How weak.

For me it's impossible to believe.

<must get back to work on mystery PC>

One thing in that review that surprised me (other than how a card with those specs can lose to a 3870X2 with AA on anyway) was the lower temps than the 3870X2. I've seen many posts speculating that it would be considerably hotter, should be good news for those people if true.
 

Piuc2020

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It would seem that the 9800GX2 is having driver problems... we KNOW 8800GTS in SLI can beat a HD 3870 X2 with AA any time of day, these issues are likely to be ironed out by release or shortly thereafter.
 

HOOfan 1

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I often balk when ATI fans claim that a card (like the HD2900XT) would overtake an nVidia card with further driver updates. So if the drivers nvidia releases this card with are the same ones showing that it certainly is not worth a $200 price premium over the ATI HD3870X2...then I would have to say don't bother nVidia. Get your driver problems sorted out before you release a card.
 

JAG87

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HA

more proof that shows how much XP obliterates Vista

my only concern at this point, is if vsync works.
 

dasracht

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The new drivers will be released with the gx2, right? The ones that will cover the gtx, I mean. Hopefully when the gx2 comes out (and the new drivers) we'll get proper benchmarks with the aa issue addressed.
 

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I just don't understand what nVidia has been doing the last 13 months.

After the 2900 XT debacle, i basically gave up on AMD being competitive for a while, as i figured surely nV would stomp them silly with their next release.

But then there was no next release...there was some good mid range action from AMD (though not much better than the 2900 XT) in the form of the 3800s, & from nV we got the die shrunk 8800 GT/GTS, which were no better than at the time, the year old 8800 GTX.

So we wait more & see AMD combine a couple 3870s into the X2 combo card, which does actually better than i expected.

And then we wait more for nVidia to crush AMD.

Instead they come out with a bandwidth crippled 256 bit interface 9800GX2 & GTX, which are barely better than what we had 13 months ago.

WTF?!?

*shakes head in disbelief*

 

HOOfan 1

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maybe the were so used to ATI being no competition for the 10 Months after teh 8 series release that they decided they needed the GT200 to crush their own products....hopefully the 9800 series will remind them of the whole 5800FX debacle and force them to get GT200 to market by the end of June
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: Azn
No wonder Nvidia was belittling dual core gpu's.

I'll just say I've seen benches in a couple places that aren't published yet that make me doubt these.

My advice to potential buyers is read the launch day reviews and decide if these cards are a good buy for you.

If the rumored MSRP is true, how likely is it that NVIDIA is selling a card that's equal or slower than a 3870X2 (as Tweaktown shows) for 25% more money?

They'd have to be "smoking something halucinogenic" as Jen Hsun Huang once said.

Who knows? Maybe I'll be able to post something on them that day as well.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: ronnn
Originally posted by: Azn
No wonder Nvidia was belittling dual core gpu's.

:laugh:

You can believe what you like about them ronnn, but not for very much longer......

:clock:


Another person with "insight" into the situation speaks

I'm sure some of you have already seen it. But I want to warn you guys that the drivers used in this review simply enabled the card. And have recieved zero testing. They werent designed for use with the card in question and problems setting Multi GPU configuration amongst other things. They were made in very early january and are completely out dated.



 

ronnn

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I love pr sales guys. Will take more than a driver revision to make me want a dual gpu card. Maybe a very good game designed for this would help.
 

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Yay!!! Another BS early review...probably only one gpu working in all the tests except the couple that actually scaled ok. We all know that it's going to be a decent performer and we're all still waiting for a true next gen card.

I should have kept my SLI'd Ultra's. :frown: I would have but after running an intel chipset again it's gonna be pretty hard to go back so it looks like I'll be buying one of these on Tuesday(or when it comes out).
 

imported_wired247

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Definitely looks like better drivers are needed to make an assessment.

Why whip out your keyboard to tell the world how much you knew the 9800gx2 is going to suck when a few months will reveal all?
 

Sylvanas

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What a disappointment....and this is going to have a price premium over an X2 in the ballpark of $100+ when the X2 is better in most tests? :thumbsdown:
 

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Originally posted by: nRollo


Who knows? Maybe I'll be able to post something on them that day as well.


ok...can you please shut the F up until then...everyone knows where you are coming from, and that none of your sentences have any credibility whatsoever



Dadach, please refrain from attacking the poster, but feel free to attack his arguments with facts and logic.

Your assistance in this matter is appreciated.

Video mod BFG10K.
 

nRollo

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Originally posted by: dadach
Originally posted by: nRollo


Who knows? Maybe I'll be able to post something on them that day as well.


ok...can you please shut the F up until then...everyone knows where you are coming from, and that none of your sentences have any credibility whatsoever

Why would you like people to be mislead by the inaccurate information in that review dadach?

I suppose I could have just said "Huh huh huh Dat GX is gunna suck", but I thought the board might be more interested in the truth?

So what's with the clear violation of TOS I've reported and the desire to mislead? Some reason you don't want people to know that review is Fubarred?
 

ronnn

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Originally posted by: dadach
Originally posted by: nRollo


Who knows? Maybe I'll be able to post something on them that day as well.


ok...can you please shut the F up until then...everyone knows where you are coming from, and that none of your sentences have any credibility whatsoever

Relax, the mods have obviously decided his posts are not trolling. You will just get booted and will never get to join the focus group.
 

Ylurien

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On the one hand, it's probably like Rollo says: the drivers' immaturity is the main culprit behind the lackluster performance with the GX in those benchmarks. Nvidia certainly seems stupid with the way they've been doing things lately, but you can bet that they're not so stupid that they'd put a card on the market for $600 that didn't beat the closest competition. The difference likely won't be too big, but you can be sure they have built a card that is faster than any single-slot card on the market. I know it's hard to give them anything - especially $600 for a card that seemingly does nothing more a much cheaper 3870x2 - but give them credit for being smart enough to know that at least they need to make a faster card - in all environments - than a 3870x2.

Unfortunately, for a company as smart as Nvidia should be/has been, it has made some rather grievous errors this time around in not having adequate drivers ready. It's as someone else said in this thread - what the hell has Nvidia been doing all this time? You would think that the time they saved in not developing next-gen technology would have at least given them time to develop a decent set of drivers for their decidedly not-next-gen technology. Had they had drivers ready earlier, they would have been available for those inevitable pre-release reviews that Tweaktown, etc. are famous for, and thus could have avoided the debacle that this release is turning into. I don't see how Nvidia has anyone to blame but themselves. If they want people to believe that they have a fast card, then have your drivers ready, lift the goddamned NDA and let people talk about it, let people do their own benchmarks, and quit being a bunch of corporate George Bushes about everything. That's how you save face, gain back market share, and make more money for your stockholders (the only thing Nvidia seemingly cares about).

 
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