Tweaktown : Nvidia Jetson (Tegra K1)

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Homeles

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Well, would you look at that. This is what happens when you use a modern GPU architecture.
 

blackened23

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The performance of K1 is very impressive. I think the big problem with Tegra 4 is that nvidia tried to over-reach in terms of available markets; it's obvious that qualcomm won nearly every smartphone and high end tablet design win due to LTE. It was just near impossible to compete with that, and that did not just affect NV.

I think this time around, NV would be more wise to pick and choose their target markets carefully. NV can do well in high end tablets, automotive tech, scientific, and stuff along those lines. The performance of the SOC is there, but competing with qualcomm on a broad basis is still going to be very tough because of their modem portfolio, even if the K1 performs better.
 

Hitman928

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29k points in 3DMark is nearly 50% faster than what Mullins gets in the Discovery tablet without the powerplug.

I think it depends on what score was used for the Tegra. If they used the graphics score (would be my guess, but I don't know), then they are actually pretty close to each other (~7% higher for Tegra). Even if they used the overall score, I don't see where you get the 50% figure from. Tegra looks like a great performer overall, though. It will be interesting if it gets any significant design wins out of this version (or the denver version).

http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-...nstream-and-LowPower-2014-APUs-Tested/?page=9
 

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I think it depends on what score was used for the Tegra

Clearly Xiaomi used the "Overall" 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited score for A7 and Tegra K1. The pure graphics score would be higher in comparison.

The GPU performance difference in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen between Mullins in a 11.6" tablet on AC power (where CPU/GPU frequencies are artificially boosted) and Tegra K1 in a thin 7.9" tablet is more than 60% in favor of TK1!
 
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monstercameron

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Clearly Xiaomi used the "Overall" 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited score for A7 and Tegra K1. The pure graphics score would be higher in comparison.

The GPU performance difference in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen between Mullins in a 11.6" tablet on AC power (where CPU/GPU frequencies are artificially boosted) and Tegra K1 in a thin 7.9" tablet is more than 60% in favor of TK1!

hmmm, what does that mean?
 

Hitman928

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Clearly Xiaomi used the "Overall" 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited score for A7 and Tegra K1. The pure graphics score would be higher in comparison.

The GPU performance difference in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen between Mullins in a 11.6" tablet on AC power (where CPU/GPU frequencies are artificially boosted) and Tegra K1 in a thin 7.9" tablet is more than 60% in favor of TK1!

I don't read Chinese so, to be honest, nothing is clear about the numbers obtained, testing procedures, etc. It does appear to be overall numbers when comparing Ipad mini scores, but again, how does ~29800/24500 = 1.5?

Here's what techspot said on their numbers

It’s worth noting that all the benchmarks were ran with the AMD Discovery tablet plugged in to AC power. When the tablet is benchmarked on battery power, I noticed a roughly 10% performance drop as the Mullins APU switches to using a more aggressive boost algorithm in attempt to lengthen battery life.
In comparison, you don’t see any performance drop on battery power with Intel’s Bay Trail Z3740. Obviously it’s not great to see a performance reduction on battery, but if it does lengthen battery life I might be kind to the way AMD deals with power gating. As I only had limited time with the Discovery reference tablet and couldn’t examine battery life on Mullins devices, I’ll wait until I get longer hands-on time with an OEM’s Mullins-based tablet before making any further judgements.

http://www.techspot.com/article/810-amd-beema-and-mullins-preview/page4.html

So 50% higher 3dMark seemed like a bit of an exaggeration.

The main problem with comparing Tegra and Mullins will be that Tegra will be run only on Android and Mullins is only run on Windows, so it is hard to compare them.
 
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The main problem with comparing Tegra and Mullins will be that Tegra will be run only on Android and Mullins is only run on Windows, so it is hard to compare them.
well Tegra runs also very well on Win RT...
 

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Clearly Xiaomi used the "Overall" 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited score for A7 and Tegra K1. The pure graphics score would be higher in comparison.

The GPU performance difference in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen between Mullins in a 11.6" tablet on AC power (where CPU/GPU frequencies are artificially boosted) and Tegra K1 in a thin 7.9" tablet is more than 60% in favor of TK1!

The fact that Tegra K1's score comes from an actual soon to ship 7.9'' tablet, not a bulky 11.6'' Reference Platform ''tablet'' @ AC power makes it even more impressive. I doubt that this top-bin Mullins chip will find its way to smaller tablets, unlike Bay Trail-T and Tegra 4 (and probably Tegra K1/Cherry Trail-T too).
 
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Hitman928

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well Tegra runs also very well on Win RT...

True, but their still not really the same (from people I've talked to with WinRT tablets at least). Also might be a moot point if K1 doesn't end up in a version of surface anyway.
 

xpea

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True, but their still not really the same (from people I've talked to with WinRT tablets at least). Also might be a moot point if K1 doesn't end up in a version of surface anyway.
I will wait for an official announcement before putting away Tegra off the next surface. TK1 is by far the best Nvidia SoC, with solid Windows drivers, and over 2 decades of good cooperation with Microsoft. I don't see any reason to discard them (of course it may be possible, but at this stage, nobody knows)

addenum: and with today Xiaomi MiPad launch, TK1 is shaking up the market with incredible performance numbers and even more impressive value for money offer. It will be difficult for new product to come up with lower performance at higher price point. Like S800 is the de facto standard for high-end smartphones, I also expect TK1 to be the new standard for high-end tablets.
 
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ams23

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I don't read Chinese so, to be honest, nothing is clear about the numbers obtained, testing procedures, etc.

The benchmark scores are just numbers. Seeing the ipad mini retina number and comparing it to any review gives a clear conclusion that the "overall" score was used.

So 50% higher 3dMark seemed like a bit of an exaggeration.

Probably true. This is just such an apples to oranges comparison that it is almost not worth comparing in the first place (especially if it is true that A/C power operation gives ~ 10% boost in performance compared to battery power operation).
 

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The fact that Tegra K1's score comes from an actual soon to ship 7.9'' tablet, not a bulky 11.6'' Reference Platform ''tablet'' @ AC power makes it even more impressive. I doubt that this top-bin Mullins chip will find its way to smaller tablets, unlike Bay Trail-T and Tegra 4 (and probably Tegra K1/Cherry Trail-T too).

Agreed.
 

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The fact that Tegra K1's score comes from an actual soon to ship 7.9'' tablet, not a bulky 11.6'' Reference Platform ''tablet'' @ AC power makes it even more impressive. I doubt that this top-bin Mullins chip will find its way to smaller tablets, unlike Bay Trail-T and Tegra 4 (and probably Tegra K1/Cherry Trail-T too).

And yet, it makes it no less irrelevant.
You aren't going to pick a tablet because it has an NV GPU/SoC which is faster or more power efficient or anything else compared to an AMD GPU/SoC. You are going to pick a tablet which runs the OS you want to be using.

Then you pick a Baytrail tablet for Windows or the most reasonably priced tablet from a decent manufacturer for Android.
 

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The GPU performance difference in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen between Mullins in a 11.6" tablet on AC power (where CPU/GPU frequencies are artificially boosted) and Tegra K1 in a thin 7.9" tablet is more than 60% in favor of TK1!


proof of this, you haven't supplied one reference stating that, there is no publish data showing that, yet you keep repeating that. Even the multiuple review you have claimed that is stated that, they infact have not.

you then call me clueless and then state another review that doesn't even say what you claim. Your a lying shill, even worse is you logic doesn't even make sense because the amd reference platform its a passively cooled device, you are constrained by heat dissipation.

I Don't get people like you, are you so attached that you need to deliberately misrepresent your favored products potential competition?


Then you pick a Baytrail tablet for Windows or the most reasonably priced tablet from a decent manufacturer for Android.

Thats completely debatable at this point, until devices show up we wont know what power consumption for mullins is like, but performance doesn't favor baytrail.
 
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ams23

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Wow, apparently reading comprehension is not always a strong suit for everyone Didn't I already tell you to read the Techspot review where the data point originated from? Anyone who can understand English text and can read a graph can see it and understand it. Like it or not, Tegra K1's GPU is in another league in the GFXBench benchmark (ie. more than 60% faster at the very least in a very apples to oranges comparison), so this is a silly argument to begin with.
 
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monstercameron

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Wow, apparently reading comprehension is not always a strong suit for everyone Didn't I already tell you to read the Techspot review where the data point originated from? Anyone who can understand English text and can read a graph can see it and understand it. Like it or not, Tegra K1's GPU is in another league in the GFXBench benchmark (ie. more than 60% faster at the very least in a very apples to oranges comparison), so this is a silly argument to begin with.

no, I am pretty sure itsmy... was stating that you can't deduce any of this from an unreleased tk1 device and an AMD mullins prototype tablet...
 

ams23

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no, I am pretty sure itsmy... was stating that you can't deduce any of this from an unreleased tk1 device and an AMD mullins prototype tablet...

There is nothing to deduce. Techspot clearly stated that they did all their published measurements on AC power, and when they switched to battery power, performance went down by ~ 10% due to less aggressive boosting of CPU/GPU operating frequencies. So on AC power in a relatively bulky 11.6" tablet, they measured 37fps in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen with Mullins. On the other hand, on battery power in a relatively small 7.9" tablet, Xiaomi measured 60 fps in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen with Tegra K1. That is a difference of more than 60% in favor of Tegra K1. Give credit where credit is due. Obviously TK1 is way ahead here, end of discussion.
 
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monstercameron

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There is nothing to deduce. Techspot clearly stated that they did all their published measurements on AC power, and when they switched to battery power, performance went down by ~ 10% due to less aggressive boosting of CPU/GPU operating frequencies. So on AC power in a relatively bulky 11.6" tablet, they measured 37fps in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen with Mullins. On the other hand, on battery power in a relatively small 7.9" tablet, Xiaomi measured 60 fps in GFXBench T-Rex HD Offscreen with Tegra K1. That is a difference of more than 60% in favor of Tegra K1. Give credit where credit is due. Obviously TK1 is way ahead here, end of discussion.

so glad you ended the discussion, because no on has claimed that mullins was faster or more efficient, they were just debating how you came to such a conclusion when so many details are in the air...
PS, it was you and another member who brought up mullins!
 
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