The 680 Lightning has 32 ROP, 256-bit bus, 1536 SPs and 1176 GPU Boost. How is a 660Ti PE beating it in Skyrim and ties it in Dirt 3? I would believe it if the 680 and 660Ti were run on different drivers or using different CPUs. Still a $300 card beating a $600 card within NV's range? That would make the 660Ti the greatest mid-range GPU ever made that somehow with less shaders, memory bandwidth and ROPs it can beat a flagship based on the same chip? That's like having a GTX560Ti beating a GTX580.
Tweaktown's review actually shows something that's expected from an ROP neutered (AA dependent spec) and memory bandwidth starved (AA dependent spec) card:
GTX670 vs. 660Ti
Mafia 2 = 10% faster
AvP = 26% faster
FC2 = 26% faster
Metro 2033 = 22% faster
JC2 = 17% faster
Avg = 20% faster
I expect NV to tell reviewers to use FXAA as much as possible and to stay away from traditional MSAA to mask the AA deficiency of this card.
Doesn't look so hot : about even with the 7870
http://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2012/08/review-msi-geforce-gtx-660-ti-power-edition/
As we wrote in the test methods section, AMD has prepared to meet the GeForce GTX 660 Ti release by updating the Radeon HD 7950s BIOS and increasing the latters GPU clock rate by 125 MHz. With the new BIOS the Radeon HD 7950 is clearly better than the GeForce GTX 660 Ti.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-benchmark-review,3279-3.html
there you go toms hardware review... it competes with a 7870 at $300+. Fail.
Overclocking potential is fail, it competes with a 7870/7950 @ stock speeds... when they compare the 7950 ghz edition to their oc'd 660ti, it was nearly uncomparable. 7950s are well known to OC well past 1ghz on the core... mines at 1200. So essentially the 660ti loses out to the 7950 (which pricing is similar to considering the ref 660ti is $300, so AIBs will be more) and its on an overall just slightly faster than a 7870 at stock vs stock. I would suggest buy a 7850, OC the tits out of it, and you win on cost/performance. OR buy a 7950 and OC and still win.... 1ghz Ocs are guaranteed and thats all you need to put a 660ti into the dust.
Sounds like someone's justifying the 7950 listed in their sig. I see the 660 Ti competing with the 7950 while costing $30 less and including a free Borderlands 2. Tom's Hardware seemed to get different results than every other review site.
Sounds like someone's justifying the 7950 listed in their sig. I see the 660 Ti competing with the 7950 while costing $30 less and including a free Borderlands 2. Tom's Hardware seemed to get different results than every other review site.
...win?
there are a couple of niches one card or another serves particularly well, such as overclocking with the 7950, but ultimately unless you have a specific need either card will serve you well enough.
the card easily beats AMD's HD 7950 in all important criteria: performance, power, noise, heat, performance per Dollar, performance per Watt
The GALAXY GTX 660 Ti GC is a much better value than the Radeo HD 7950 at $339. In all our gameplay the GALAXY GTX 660 Ti GC provided a better gaming experience than the Radeon HD 7950.
hasn't it been like that for a while?Im tired of Nvidia and AMD. Its not about innovating and bringing the best products to the market anymore. It's about just barely edging out the other as far as price/performance goes then undercutting the other by $5. This whole gen of cards reeks of price fixing.
hasn't it been like that for a while?
Nvidia needs to compromise. the 2880sp gk100 or 110 was insane and would have had to been clocked really low not to be even worse than the 480. still the gk114 just does not feel like a real high end gaming gpu worthy of 500 bucks. something like a 1920sp/160tmu/48rop/384 bit card from the beginning would have made much more sense.If we were to go back to 8800gtx release Nvidia would of probably gimped it and we'd never seen its full potential till 2 years later when AMD caught up.
I also didn't feel Nvidia skimped on last 2 gen. Sure the 480 was a fire breather but it was an absolute hold nothing back make the fastest card you can period type card.
I guess? To me it still just looks like the 7950 has comparable performance (after fiddling with OC) but costs more, is louder, runs hotter, uses more power, doesn't have PhysX, and has bad OpenGL drivers/performance. And doesn't come with a free $60 copy of Borderlands 2.
If we were to go back to 8800gtx release Nvidia would of probably gimped it and we'd never seen its full potential till 2 years later when AMD caught up.
I also didn't feel Nvidia skimped on last 2 gen. Sure the 480 was a fire breather but it was an absolute hold nothing back make the fastest card you can period type card.
why does Wolfenstein say its DX in Precision? also I dont see how those benchmarks are so low for those Nvidia cards. my much slower card has never once dropped below the 60 fps cap in the game so far.That part you either have to back up because it's 100% wrong. Up until GTX285, NV had superior OpenGL performance. After that, it's all AMD in OpenGL. Even GTX470 lost in some OpenGL games to GTX285. It has been widely documented that NV traded OpenGL performance in older games for DX11 + tessellation performance in newer games. Wolfenstein is an OpenGL game and Kepler and Fermi are far far behind Cypress, Cayman and Tahiti.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/DX9-ogl.jpg
Also, hardly anyone develops games in OpenGL now, so not sure why you even bothered to bring this up, esp. since NV is worse in OpenGL.
why does Wolfenstein say its DX in Precision? also I dont see how those benchmarks are so low for those Nvidia cards. my much slower card has never once dropped below the 60 fps cap in the game so far.
yeah but BL 2 also makes the gtx670 look like better deal too. :sneaky:I remember BFG did a very thorough analysis of GTX470 vs. 285. 285 came out on top in many older OpenGL titles. But it's pretty much well known that now AMD leads massively in OpenGL vs Kepler and Fermi. So his comment that NV is better in OpenGL only applies to previous eras, but not anymore. In any case, I don't think it matters since 99.9% of games are DX.
I'd be more concerned that GTX660Ti is not a real 2GB card, and that it's 144GB/sec bandwidth will become a liability later on. Can't see any reason at all to pick this over the MSI TF3 unless someone doesn't OC at all and cares about performance/watt.
BL2 is what makes it a good deal, almost like a $250 card. But for $300 no way would I get this over the 7950.
what coupon code?Honestly, if people care about BL2 that much, the GTX 670 is $370 with a coupon code and free BL2. Seems like a much more logical choice than the other options.