Twitter mob goes after girl for cultural appropriation over prom dress

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The girl did nothing wrong, if she wants to wear the dress then its her choice. Screw the liberals who think they can tell her what to wear. All these people offended really need to find something more productive to do in life. This cultural appropriation is just nonsense.
 

Thebobo

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The girl did nothing wrong, if she wants to wear the dress then its her choice. Screw the liberals who think they can tell her what to wear. All these people offended really need to find something more productive to do in life. This cultural appropriation is just nonsense.

What a convincing argument. Changed my mind.
 

Zorba

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I certainly wouldn't encourage people to publicly shame her... it's more just shaking my head than anything.
This is an interesting story from the NYT. It is interesting the current form was influenced by western culture, and that it has largely been replaced by western clothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/asia/chinese-prom-dress.html

I think it is shameful that idiots are attacking a teenage girl that bought a dress from a store that is not offensive in any way.
 

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This is an interesting story from the NYT. It is interesting the current form was influenced by western culture, and that it has largely been replaced by western clothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/world/asia/chinese-prom-dress.html

I think it is shameful that idiots are attacking a teenage girl that bought a dress from a store that is not offensive in any way.


Yeah, Chinese people didn't really wear revealing dress like that before western influence.
Well only during Tang dynasty.
 

Zorba

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Not full stop. Why is trying to look like Neil okay, but, wearing the Chinese dress not okay? If you were a Black person that was a fan of Neil, but they were only a quarter black and thus their skin was much lighter, would it be okay to darken your face? What if the goal is to simply look more like the person, is that too somehow stereotyping?

I won't say that blackface is 100% racist every time, but I think it a very fine line. Black people do dress up as white characters/people all the time but I don't recall ever seeing any in "white face."

I'm sure he would think that a white girl dressing as Tiana or Mulan was racist, but a black or Chinese girl dressing like Cinderella isn't.
 

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I won't say that blackface is 100% racist every time, but I think it a very fine line. Black people do dress up as white characters/people all the time but I don't recall ever seeing any in "white face."

I'm sure he would think that a white girl dressing as Tiana or Mulan was racist, but a black or Chinese girl dressing like Cinderella isn't.





Its because its okay to do whitface for comedy because white people are the dominate culture. This is why I brought up that the definition includes the culture being in the dominate position.

Blackface was originally about the caricature of Black people and their culture. What it somehow turned into was any person making themselves look black even if its not to caricature.
 

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Which is ironic given the CCP describes itself as socialism with chinese characteristics

Chinese and Russian societies were socially conservative but economically leftist under communism. They are making fun of Western leftism for social reasons, not economic.
 

sdifox

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He’s not attacking he’s shaking his head


Huh? Pretty sure "My culture is not your prom dress" qualifies as attack.

Notice how his name is Jeremy Lam. Pretty sure Jeremy is not a Chinese name. Cultural appropriation!
What a fucktard.
 

WelshBloke

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See I dont really have a problem with that either.

Its tacky, in the same way that all those places selling cheap catholic tat outside pilgrimage places in southern Europe are tacky, but I dont see that it should involve more than a tut and a slight shake of the head.

Its certainly different to blackface, or coolie hats and fake buckteeth which are offensive and were designed to be offensive.
 

Thebobo

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Remember Korean airline crash and the TV reporter, best TV reporter prank evah!
 

sdifox

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See I dont really have a problem with that either.

Its tacky, in the same way that all those places selling cheap catholic tat outside pilgrimage places in southern Europe are tacky, but I dont see that it should involve more than a tut and a slight shake of the head.

Its certainly different to blackface, or coolie hats and fake buckteeth which are offensive and were designed to be offensive.


No Hudson's Bay Company met with the first nations band, did not reach an agreement and went ahead and used the patterns anyway in their official Olympic sweater, in an year where the first nations were being celebrated at the Olympics. I can't think of a bigger slap in the face of first nations other than the residential schools.


I guess you could say HBC stuck to its roots and screwed over the indians again.

It's been twelve years and I have not bought a single item from HBC.
 
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realibrad

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No Hudson's Bay Company met with the first nations band, did not reach an agreement and went ahead and used the patterns anyway in their official Olympic sweater, in an year where the first nations were being celebrated at the Olympics. I can't think of a bigger slap in the face of first nations other than the residential schools.


I guess you could say HBC stuck to its roots and screwed over the indians again.

It's been twelve years and I have not bought a single item from HBC.

You know, looking into this more, it looks like they reached an agreement to sell the clothing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/cowichan-tribes-reach-olympic-sweater-deal-1.830116

Members of the Cowichan Tribes say they are no longer planning to protest during the Olympic torch relay later this week, after reaching a deal to sell their traditional sweaters at the Olympic Games.

The Vancouver Island First Nations had planned to line up along part of the torch relay route wearing their Cowichan sweaters and tuques as a sign of protest, after the Hudson's Bay Company decided to sell knock-offs of their traditional hand-knit designs as official Olympic merchandise during the 2010 Winter Games in Vancouver.



But band members said they'll now wear their sweaters as a "show of pride" after a meeting with VANOC and the Bay on Tuesday.

The Cowichan Tribes general manager Ernie Elliot said they were offered a licensing deal that would allow them to sell their original designs in the First Nations Pavilion and at the Bay's flagship store in Vancouver.

What I now see are articles years later like the one you posted about cultural appropriation.
 

WelshBloke

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No Hudson's Bay Company met with the first nations band, did not reach an agreement and went ahead and used the patterns anyway in their official Olympic sweater, in an year where the first nations were being celebrated at the Olympics. I can't think of a bigger slap in the face of first nations other than the residential schools.

It's an interesting issue. It's not about (presumably) the ownership of a pattern and the putting it on a sweater. Because either something is offensive to put on a sweater and sell or it's not. This is more of a proxy argument about other, bigger and more historical wrongs.


It's been twelve years and I have not bought a single item from HBC.

And that's how it should be. You looked at the issues and made a decision for yourself.
 

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Next installment of Civilizations will replace the term "Cultural Victory" with "Cultural Appropriation Loss".
 
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