Twitter mob goes after girl for cultural appropriation over prom dress

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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The girl did nothing wrong, if she wants to wear the dress then its her choice. Screw the liberals who think they can tell her what to wear. All these people offended really need to find something more productive to do in life. This cultural appropriation is just nonsense.

Now replace "wear the dress" with abortion, and I wonder you come out on her choice? Is that the moment that your cup runneth over with offense?
 

SMOGZINN

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Jun 17, 2005
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Cultural appropriation is a thing, and it is something we should be mindful of. Cultural appropriation is what happens when we take something important to a culture and make it into something stereotyping or demeaning of that culture in order to symbolizes the entire culture. Aunt Jemima is cultural appropriation. But there is a difference between cultural appropriation and cultural assimilation. This girl wore a 'Chinese' dress because she liked it, liked the way it looked on her, and wanted to look pretty for her prom. The 'Chineseness' of the dress was at best an after thought, because it has been almost completely assimilated into our culture.
 

senseamp

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Feb 5, 2006
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Yeah, that's pretty stupid. But don't let it distract you from throwing corrupt Republican vermin out this November.
 
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quikah

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This has less to do with cultural appropriation and more to do with ABCs feeling disconnected from their roots. There is a lot of pent up resentment from the effects of racism and any display of Asian culture gets amplified x1000 when it is done in a not perfect way (which means only done by an Asian).

IMO it is a bit disingenuous for ABCs to claim it is wrong for a non-Chinese to wear a qipao in an appropriate way when the Chinese people say it is OK.
 

pmv

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This has less to do with cultural appropriation and more to do with ABCs feeling disconnected from their roots. There is a lot of pent up resentment from the effects of racism and any display of Asian culture gets amplified x1000 when it is done in a not perfect way (which means only done by an Asian).

IMO it is a bit disingenuous for ABCs to claim it is wrong for a non-Chinese to wear a qipao in an appropriate way when the Chinese people say it is OK.

I tend to think American-hyphenated identities are ethnicities all of their own. I've sometimes heard actual Irish and Scottish people express a measure of bafflement at the attitudes or ideas of their hyphenated-American distant relatives. Likewise I don't think one would expect Asian-Americans to see things the same way as actual Chinese or other Asian nationals. So I don't think it's quite fair to say Chinese Americans shouldn't feel a certain way because Chinese Chinese don't feel that way. Those are two very different groups with very different circumstances and histories.
 

sdifox

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I tend to think American-hyphenated identities are ethnicities all of their own. I've sometimes heard actual Irish and Scottish people express a measure of bafflement at the attitudes or ideas of their hyphenated-American distant relatives. Likewise I don't think one would expect Asian-Americans to see things the same way as actual Chinese or other Asian nationals. So I don't think it's quite fair to say Chinese Americans shouldn't feel a certain way because Chinese Chinese don't feel that way. Those are two very different groups with very different circumstances and histories.


Jeremy Lam doesn't get to cry cultural appropriation til he changes his name to a Chinese one.
 

UglyCasanova

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Now replace "wear the dress" with abortion, and I wonder you come out on her choice? Is that the moment that your cup runneth over with offense?


The question wasn’t directed at me but since I was called a conservative earlier I’ll respond that I support her choice in wearing a dress as well as having an abortion.
 

quikah

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I tend to think American-hyphenated identities are ethnicities all of their own. I've sometimes heard actual Irish and Scottish people express a measure of bafflement at the attitudes or ideas of their hyphenated-American distant relatives. Likewise I don't think one would expect Asian-Americans to see things the same way as actual Chinese or other Asian nationals. So I don't think it's quite fair to say Chinese Americans shouldn't feel a certain way because Chinese Chinese don't feel that way. Those are two very different groups with very different circumstances and histories.

I don't expect them to have identical views, but core ideas should be similar such as what things are important/sacred in the culture, otherwise how can you even claim it as your culture?
 

IronWing

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Jul 20, 2001
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I don't expect them to have identical views, but core ideas should be similar such as what things are important/sacred in the culture, otherwise how can you even claim it as your culture?
That's the question. I'm of Irish descent. My ancestors left that blessed land five generations ago. I can't claim to be of Irish culture nor speak for Irish culture.
 
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Now replace "wear the dress" with abortion, and I wonder you come out on her choice? Is that the moment that your cup runneth over with offense?

You're seriously comparing a dress to abortion? Those are totally different issues. There is NOTHING wrong with her wearing the dress, obviously you would prefer a burka.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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You're seriously comparing a dress to abortion? Those are totally different issues. There is NOTHING wrong with her wearing the dress, obviously you would prefer a burka.

No way man--that girl is hot. As I plainly stated already.
 

realibrad

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Oct 18, 2013
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Cultural appropriation is a thing, and it is something we should be mindful of. Cultural appropriation is what happens when we take something important to a culture and make it into something stereotyping or demeaning of that culture in order to symbolizes the entire culture. Aunt Jemima is cultural appropriation. But there is a difference between cultural appropriation and cultural assimilation. This girl wore a 'Chinese' dress because she liked it, liked the way it looked on her, and wanted to look pretty for her prom. The 'Chineseness' of the dress was at best an after thought, because it has been almost completely assimilated into our culture.

What about when its important to many, but not the vast majority? How do you know when its cultural appropriation? There are many that feel this dress was cultural appropriation because the dress to them was important to their culture. It became demeaning for someone to wear it and then not be from that culture and understand the importance to them.
 

WelshBloke

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Jan 12, 2005
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I tend to think American-hyphenated identities are ethnicities all of their own. I've sometimes heard actual Irish and Scottish people express a measure of bafflement at the attitudes or ideas of their hyphenated-American distant relatives. Likewise I don't think one would expect Asian-Americans to see things the same way as actual Chinese or other Asian nationals. So I don't think it's quite fair to say Chinese Americans shouldn't feel a certain way because Chinese Chinese don't feel that way. Those are two very different groups with very different circumstances and histories.
So who's culture was being appropriated? The Chinese Chinese? The American Chinese?
 

pmv

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So who's culture was being appropriated? The Chinese Chinese? The American Chinese?

Well, it's important to both of them, but I don't think its about some sort of objective; verifiable fact of ownership as being about how people _feel_ about something, due to their particular experiences. I guess the thing is that (some) Chinese-Americans have a different relationship to that culture than do the Chinese in China. It has a different significance for the first of those than the second.

I mean, Lord knows, the racial politics around Asian people (meaning, East Asians) in the US is something I find difficult to figure out, because (it seems to me) it's pretty specific to the US experience. Never really thought about it till briefly lived in the US. Racism against black people seems to happen, and have somewhat similar expressions and origins, in many different countries, but there seems to be something very context-specific about the sort of complaints behind this row. Any tensions between white people in Europe and Chinese are likely to be quite different in origin and are going to come out differently over different issues.
 

Zorba

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Well, it's important to both of them, but I don't think its about some sort of objective; verifiable fact of ownership as being about how people _feel_ about something, due to their particular experiences. I guess the thing is that (some) Chinese-Americans have a different relationship to that culture than do the Chinese in China. It has a different significance for the first of those than the second.

I mean, Lord knows, the racial politics around Asian people (meaning, East Asians) in the US is something I find difficult to figure out, because (it seems to me) it's pretty specific to the US experience. Never really thought about it till briefly lived in the US. Racism against black people seems to happen, and have somewhat similar expressions and origins, in many different countries, but there seems to be something very context-specific about the sort of complaints behind this row. Any tensions between white people in Europe and Chinese are likely to be quite different in origin and are going to come out differently over different issues.
So basically, if anyone takes offense, then it is off limits? Can I start protesting the Vietnamese Baptist Church down the street?
 

VRAMdemon

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Aug 16, 2012
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Would this be a big deal if social media didn't exist?..Back in the 80's, this girl could have worn this dress to the prom without a second notice.
 

tygeezy

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Aug 28, 2012
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Maybe we should all just wear garbage bags? Nobody will be offended then right? My pants are a bit tight. I should throw them away. I don't want to offend the Europeans.
 

purbeast0

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Would this be a big deal if social media didn't exist?..Back in the 80's, this girl could have worn this dress to the prom without a second notice.
I mean, the problem stemmed from her posting pics on social media, ssssooooo......
 
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