Twitter permanently bans Gay Conservative Milo Yiannopoulos for mocking a Ghostbuster

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senseamp

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Actually, the tens of articles written about twitter arbitrarily banning someone has had an effect. You must be living in a cave, you can come out anytime now.

Let's take a look at the effect on the stock price. Contary to what you idiots said, it has fallen off a cliff since banning Milo:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TWR.BE

Click on the 1M chart. Notice that steep drop since 8:00am on 7/19 when Milo was banned? What was the price?

I'll tell you. It was $17.05. Today? A mere 3 days later? $14.98.

Twitter is down 12.14% since Milo was banned. Total bloodbath. Better hope someone buys out your Stalinist friends soon or they're filing for bankrutcy in the next year at this rate.

WTF is Twitter Berlin?
Back in the real world:
http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TWTR
 

Blue_Max

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Unrepentant assholes tend to get booted so...

Sorta like the permabans here. Both sides get it, but not at the same rates

You're on the right track... keep thinking and go a little deeper.

The ones with their hands on the BAN buttons... how many are completely impartial? Favour one side or the other?

They're only human, but in many places (including here) the far left often rules the roost. Not always, but often.

Same as twitter. The ones in control of the power can push their narrative and squash their detractors.
 

SP33Demon

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WTF is Twitter Berlin?
Back in the real world:
http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TWTR
Even that has dropped since Tuesday. 18.65 to 18.12 for those who can do math (2.8%). Twitter needs every single percentage it can get as it continues to plummet. The milo issue didn't help their cause.
Twitter Berlin is their Euro office whose stock is bleeding profusely and will probably be shut down soon.
Twitter overall is a big dumpster fire.
 

senseamp

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Even that has dropped since Tuesday. 18.65 to 18.12 for those who can do math (2.8%). Twitter needs every single percentage it can get as it continues to plummet. The milo issue didn't help their cause.
Twitter Berlin is their Euro office whose stock is bleeding profusely and will probably be shut down soon.
Twitter overall is a big dumpster fire.

It went up after Milo was banned.
 

glenn1

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I have no idea who said that but did they show up with a couple of hundred thousand followers and cause chaos?

Bottom line, they booted him for being a troll and inimical to their business.


Can you understand the nuance of the point many are trying to make? it's one thing to ban him for being a troll and inimical to their business. It's another to say they're banning him for harassment that he didn't commit.

It would be akin to me arguing Hillary shouldn't be President because her temperament and judgement aren't suitable to the office, but then giving as my stated reason the false narrative that she was responsible for Benghazi. Twitter is in that type of situation, they are banning him under false pretenses when they'd have plenty of justification for banning him under truthful pretenses of trollery and asshattery.
 

senseamp

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Did Twitter make a statement on why they are banning him? What are calling "false pretenses?"
 

SP33Demon

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It went up after Milo was banned.
Yes it was up for an hour that morning. Now it's down almost 3% (and their Euro branch down 12%) since milo's been banned. Coincidence? Not when your stock price is at 18 off a 36.67 52week high. Total dumpster fire.
 

senseamp

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Yes it was up for an hour that morning. Now it's down almost 3% (and their Euro branch down 12%) since milo's been banned. Coincidence? Not when your stock price is at 18 off a 36.67 52week high. Total dumpster fire.

Did it go down from 36 to 18 because Milo was banned too? You are reaching.
 

woolfe9998

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We have plenty of sufficient information to make that determination for those instances presented. What other logical explanation could there be for allowing advocating murder of white people, gang rape of Sarah Palin etc, while banning people for saying relatively innocuous things? I'd love to hear a logical explanation for those things.

In the case of Azalea Banks with her highly offensive remarks about Palin, AFAIK (correct me if I'm wrong) Banks had no prior history of this. You've been on internet discussion forums for a long while. I assume you know as well as I do that you first get warned, then temp banned, then perma-banned. Milo had a long history of being warned and temp banned before he got perma-banned. So far as "advocating the murder of white people" I cannot find that anywhere through google. Perhaps you can link it.

In any event, no, two examples prove exactly nothing. Explanations like what I've provided above for Banks hold up perfectly well when we're talking about a handful of cases. But if you have a large sample which shows apparent bias these kinds of explanations obviously would not hold. That's why you can't prove a case with two or three examples.

Explanations for disparate treatment between this individual or that in online forums can be as simple as moderator A is making the decisions in one case and moderator B is making the decisions in another. Or perhaps it is the same moderator, but one day he's in a banning mood and in another he isn't. Maybe his dog peed in his cornflakes the day he banned someone but on the day he didn't ban someone, he got an unexpected tax refund. Or perhaps one incident is reported to moderators but an arguably worse one is not. Banning patterns in online forums ARE arbitrary to some degree. I guarantee that you can find at least a pair of examples which shows an inconsistent approach for literally every online forum. But to show that this arbitrariness has a pattern of favoring one political ideology over another you need a much larger sample size.


"Research" can be used to come to any conclusion you want it to. Who's doing the research? How are they doing it? Who's funding it? What is the goal? etc etc Those are all pertinent questions. I don't think all academic research is inherently biased, but I've spent enough time in academia to know that there is a very heavy general left lean, so we need to be skeptical of politically charged "research".

Not immune to facts at all, but in this case the facts are anything but clear and easily discernible on an objective basis.

No, what you are doing is advocating a classic science denial position, which is that research is great when it tells you what you want to hear, but every time it doesn't, the researchers are biased. Just like the way conservatives are with MMGW or the way liberals are with GMO foods.

But conservatives are much worse of the two these days because they have internalized the belief that all academia and news media are systemically biased against them. This allows them to pick and choose. It's the ultimate in confirmation bias.

Conservatives can now construct their own reality based on using a tiny handful of examples to prove a trend involving hundred of millions of people, or engage in whatever bullshit fallacies serve to produce the conclusions they favor. There is simply no other logical conclusion to what you are saying here.

Research can be challenged BTW. You challenge it by critiquing its methodology, not by making a blanket assumption that all research which doesn't support your views is biased.
 
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WelshBloke

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Can you understand the nuance of the point many are trying to make? it's one thing to ban him for being a troll and inimical to their business. It's another to say they're banning him for harassment that he didn't commit.

So they should have banned him but explained it better?


No, since milo it went down 2.8% like I said. Read.
You really think that banning him made the stock drop?
The vast majority of people don't know who the fuck he is.

Twitter has had a public troll problem for ages. Addressing that could certainly help them.
 

SP33Demon

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So they should have banned him but explained it better?



You really think that banning him made the stock drop?
The vast majority of people don't know who the fuck he is.

Twitter has had a public troll problem for ages. Addressing that could certainly help them.
It may be, it may not be. The fact is that they're down around 3% since milo was banned and they are a dumpster fire. Everyone is arguing over a company that won't even be here next year so who really wins? Milo.
 

WelshBloke

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It may be, it may not be. The fact is that they're down around 3% since milo was banned and they are a dumpster fire. Everyone is arguing over a company that won't even be here next year so who really wins? Milo.
In what way does Milo win?
 

glenn1

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So they should have banned him but explained it better?

One justification is based upon an objective standard of harassment, the other is a subjective judgement call that someone is being an asshat. It makes a difference because if bans are going to be done in a fair and repeatable manner then Twitter can't rely too much on the later and still expect to maintain its reputation as a fair arbiter, especially if more instances occur and it demonstrates a pattern of one particular type of asshattery always being targeted by Twitter brass. Particularly if the stated reasons don't match up with the supposed offense.
 

agent00f

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More like you're behaving like the Benghazi people and think that if you 'make us research it' that we'll use the same kind of motivated reasoning as you to reach the conclusion you did. As much as you want to believe otherwise, to say that Milo was harassing given the information presented to date requires a lot of mental "filling in the gaps" to make that case. As I've repeatedly said, what he did was not harassment. What his followers might have done is completely irrelevant unless he directly encouraged them and there is no evidence of that either.

Unless and until new evidence is presented the contention that Milo himself engaged in harassment in this instance is nothing but thinking it should be true because he can be an asshole.


This is so hilarious, the link you still can't find in the thread literally only took the most obvious googling to find.

Speaking of playing dumb (or is it playing?), Milo's been writing shit about the woman even before this, and let's say he's more than aware of the effect this has on his sycophants (see shitpost exhibit just above) even if dummies aren't. It's more than likely the images he tweeted were from them.


If Twitter was to be honest and make the argument that they booted him because he's disruptive or detracts from their "decorum" I could respect that. But don't falsely claim harassment when it's not in evidence.

Why are the two mutually exclusive in your head?
 

agent00f

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No, since milo it went down 2.8% like I said. Read.

No, your sort couldn't even figure out their stock symbol much less have any effect on the price. I can't tell if these are children or stunted adults throwing such a fit, and it's an open question which is more sad: that a shitbag has such an influence on actual kids or that so many mankids live among us.

BTW, you've must forgotten about the folks who foolishly replied to that "challenge".

This is not "one person's story". There are many specific examples of behavior that is tolerated vs tweets that are not tolerated that cannot logically be explained in any other way. There is a double standard.

Please do show the examples of some shitposter & legion of followers harassing other users off the platform. I know that word can be real hard so take a few hours to brush up on what it means before proceeding.
 
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WelshBloke

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One justification is based upon an objective standard of harassment, the other is a subjective judgement call that someone is being an asshat. It makes a difference because if bans are going to be done in a fair and repeatable manner then Twitter can't rely too much on the later and still expect to maintain its reputation as a fair arbiter, especially if more instances occur and it demonstrates a pattern of one particular type of asshattery always being targeted by Twitter brass. Particularly if the stated reasons don't match up with the supposed offense.

Wut?

Twitter isn't a court of law where you are going to end up locked up for 15 years.

You seem to be living in this fantasy world where businesses need to justify all their decisions to you.
 

Blue_Max

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You seem to be living in this fantasy world where businesses need to justify all their decisions to you.

Business discriminates against a protected... sorry... *marginalized* class:
lefties lose their shit, ban the products, boycott the company, demand affirmative action!

Business discriminates against white male:
"They're a private business and don't need to justify all their decisions to you."

:hmm:
 

JSt0rm

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Business discriminates against a protected... sorry... *marginalized* class:
lefties lose their shit, ban the products, boycott the company, demand affirmative action!

Business discriminates against white male:
"They're a private business and don't need to justify all their decisions to you."

:hmm:

You are the victim.
 

WelshBloke

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Business discriminates against a protected... sorry... *marginalized* class:
lefties lose their shit, ban the products, boycott the company, demand affirmative action!

Business discriminates against white male:
"They're a private business and don't need to justify all their decisions to you."

:hmm:

You're forgetting the "trolling like a motherfucker" in that decision to ban there.

For someone that complains about "people changing the narrative" you don't half shed a load of bullshit and strawman.
 
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