TRUMP has no choice but to start a war and hope that the American people will not vote out a sitting president in a time of war...….
TRUMP has no choice but to start a war and hope that the American people will not vote out a sitting president in a time of war...….Saw this more than a mile away. Once he's cornered, this is his duhvert to try to escape accountability.
Reports are that it was above the water line, which means it wasn't a sub. It didn't blow the ships apart, which means it wasn't something like a cruise missile. Within reason, that leaves an RPG, a drone, or planted. I figure there'd be reports/radar indication of the first two, which seems rather likely it was the latter. I'm not too 'up' on wetwork related to false flag operations though, so what do I know.
Boat one left from a Saudi port. Boat 2 left from a UAE port.
Saudi's want the US to attack Iranian assets because Saudi are religious dickbags and to cover the details would require more time than I'm willing to spend at the moment since most members of this forum are old people and might need a nap soon. (based on OT thread)
UAE wouldn't mind a little aggression against Iran because they want Iranian islands.
Both are hoping to convince the idiots running the US at the moment to launch the sort of operatioins we did as part of the 80's tanker war where we wiped out a big chunk of Iranian assets.
Reminder - The tanker war was started by Iraq, who attacked all shipping (including a bunch of dead american sailors on the USS Stark) that had a hint of Iran on it for several years. During this time, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the US were sending weapons and transporting Iraqi oil in direct support of Iraq in its war with Iran.....which Iraq started.
Iran finally started responding to Iraqs attack on shipping as well they started attacking ships funneling weapons and Iraqi oil. All they had were gunboats and mines in because when you don't have the backing of major superpowers like Iraq....you use whatever you got.
Kuwait convinced US to toss the US flag on Kuwaiti ships and the rest is history.
After years of Iraq attacking civilian ships, Iran is the one that gets blasted in the western media for "Attacking civilians ships" and we then start doing whatever we could to bait them into doing something.
So here is Iran, watching Kuwait and Saudi Arabia ship weapons and supplies to the country they are at war with and now those ships are being escorted by the US Navy.
After the inevitable incident we basically did the dirty work on behalf of half the region.
Saudi Arabia doesn't need to try to hard with people like Bolton and Pompeo along with foxnews.
This will likely result in bs sanctions and all the other bull we use on Iran. Worst case scenario the US kills a bunch of Iranian servicemen because Republicans like to jerk off to war porn at any cost.
Wow, maybe this isn't Tonkin-esque after all.
This is the 'sophistication' and training and tactics no one else can pull?
Video shows Iranians removing mine from tanker...
Iran, wtf are you doing?
Yeah, that video. Real convincing. Of something.
Kinda reminds me of a big production number that someone did at the UN a number of years ago (only more poorly done).
Unless Iran attacks a US ship or a NATO ally we can't take military action without approval from Congress.TRUMP has no choice but to start a war and hope that the American people will not vote out a sitting president in a time of war...….
Anyone remember the so called "aluminum tubes" presented as evidence before the Iraq war?Yeah, that video. Real convincing. Of something.
Kinda reminds me of a big production number that someone did at the UN a number of years ago (only more poorly done).
The again, when did the Constitution stop Trump? If he started a war without approval Congress would be forced to defund the military.
Was this after the ship was attacked? Or why was there a drone watching that ship?
From my understanding, yes, the Iranian boat was removing a second, unexploded limpet from the side of one of the ships.Was this after the ship was attacked? Or why was there a drone watching that ship?
One of the mines didn't detonate, and will provide intel on the culprits?
How marvelously convenient.
Was this after the ship was attacked? Or why was there a drone watching that ship?
From my understanding, yes, the Iranian boat was removing a second, unexploded limpet from the side of one of the ships.
Kinda like a local military asset might do when trying to disarm an explosive from an oil tanker in their backyard.
Kinda not like a military asset would do if they were trying to start shit by blowing up boats.
Lieutenant Colonel Earl Brown, a CENTCOM spokesman, told Fox News: "U.S. Naval Forces in the region received two separate distress calls at 6:12 a.m. local time and a second one at 7:00 a.m.
You think a military/state actor trying to instigate a fight by planting limpets on the side of a ship, after having two detonate, is going to motor up to the side of one of them to remove their own unexploded ordinance? While the entire world is watching them via governmental camera feeds? That's some class A idiocy and I won't buy it, not ever. The absolutely reasonable explanation is that they *didn't* plant it, and were removing/disarming it so it didn't blow a hole in a goddamn oil tanker in the middle of the strait.Or I guess didn't want to leave evidence behind. Although the ship motoring up to it is pretty damning in and of itself.
I'm not convinced who did the attacks. It may have been the Iranians or it may have been someone else, not sure. I feel confident that the US military knows who did it, although I feel less confident that they are being truthful towards us. At the end of the day nobody wants this war, none of us peons anyways.
TRUMP has no choice but to start a war and hope that the American people will not vote out a sitting president in a time of war...….
Yeah..if Trump responds militarily he'll have his cause for 2020. All he needs to do is convince a few more percent. The 35 - 40 something % of his base are already locked and loaded. Although I'd be surprised if Trump goes all in on a expensive manufactured unnecessary war.
You think a military/state actor trying to instigate a fight by planting limpets on the side of a ship, after having two detonate, is going to motor up to the side of one of them to remove their own unexploded ordinance? While the entire world is watching them via governmental camera feeds? That's some class A idiocy and I won't buy it, not ever. The absolutely reasonable explanation is that they *didn't* plant it, and were removing/disarming it so it didn't blow a hole in a goddamn oil tanker in the middle of the strait.
I absolutely feel confident the US military/intelligence knows who did it, and they are *not* going to honestly explain the five W's of that particular event.
And you're wrong about nobody wanting this war. A lot of people want this war, just not those that will be participating in it.
Uh that's literally what certain members of the military do, I thought you were spun up on this shit?I don't know, I think it's equally unlikely they were coming to the rescue to disarm it. A bomb blew up and a nearby military patrol boat said "you know what I think there's another one, cmon guys lets go disarm it!" happened to drive up and save the day..? I mean maybe, but that sounds equally fishy.