Two More Vessels Attacked in Gulf of Oman

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zinfamous

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lol--where's that Trump tweeter claiming that Obama will start a war with Iran just to win re-election in 2012?

ah, these are all better than that one twit

 

VRAMdemon

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I don't think Trump wants a war with Iran, but Bolton and Pompeo are probably telling him "We look like pussies if we don't do anything." I think the US will pull out all the stops in a war with Iran. Bolton will try to obliterate the place.

IMO... The Saudis wants the US to "help" them take care of their Iran "problem". That's it. That's the kernel of truth at the heart of this mess that we're about to get in.
 
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Maxima1

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I don't think Trump wants a war with Iran, but Bolton and Pompeo are probably telling him "We look like pussies if we don't do anything." I think the US will pull out all the stops in a war with Iran. Bolton will try to obliterate the place.

IMO... The Saudis wants the US to "help" them take care of their Iran "problem". That's it. That's the kernel of truth at the heart of this mess that we're about to get in.

Look at the post above yours. He's the ultimate in projection. He's going to keep this in his pocket for when he might need it.
 

SMOGZINN

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I don't think Trump wants a war with Iran, but Bolton and Pompeo are probably telling him "We look like pussies if we don't do anything." I think the US will pull out all the stops in a war with Iran. Bolton will try to obliterate the place.

IMO... The Saudis wants the US to "help" them take care of their Iran "problem". That's it. That's the kernel of truth at the heart of this mess that we're about to get in.

I don't know. I think Trump really would like the excuse to play with his toys. He has this image of himself as a tough guy, and I think it would make him feel powerful. It is all about how things make him look or feel. His ego is in control most of the time.

Saying that, I don't think he will send troops. It is too much of a commitment for him. I think he will just going to bomb some shit, and maybe use missiles or ship to shore bombardment. Unless he really does think he needs it to help him win the next election, but I think it is a bit too soon for that.
 

pauldun170

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What is the point of a mine?
To sink or disable a boat.

These mines were obviously placed manually from a decent sized boat judging by how far above the water line they were.
So at some point....someone had to sail next to the tanker place the mines.
What is the point of manually placing limpet mines way above the water line at those locations?
Certainly not to cause any sort of permanent damage or risk a big expensive boat with $$$$ materials on board.



TOKYO — One of the tankers that were attacked in the Gulf of Oman was struck by a flying object, the ship’s Japanese operator said on Friday, disputing at least part of the account of United States officials who had blamed Iran for the attack.

“Our crew said that the ship was attacked by a flying object,” said Yutaka Katada, the president of the operator, Kokuka Sangyo.

So now what?
How does this work?
Japanese tanker gets a big old holes in it and it appears to be sabotage done in a way to not actually do any significant damage. Japan "says chill out". Tanker owner say "U.S. is full of shit".

Do we now start pushing sanctions and military action when we are in no way involved and the impacted party is telling us to STFU?
 
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UglyCasanova

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I don't know. I think Trump really would like the excuse to play with his toys. He has this image of himself as a tough guy, and I think it would make him feel powerful. It is all about how things make him look or feel. His ego is in control most of the time.

Saying that, I don't think he will send troops. It is too much of a commitment for him. I think he will just going to bomb some shit, and maybe use missiles or ship to shore bombardment. Unless he really does think he needs it to help him win the next election, but I think it is a bit too soon for that.


It’s odd that y’all all seem to be painting him as a war hawk but in reality what has he done to come across as one? The strike on the Syrian AFB after the gas attacks is the only real military action that I can think of?
 

[DHT]Osiris

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It’s odd that y’all all seem to be painting him as a war hawk but in reality what has he done to come across as one? The strike on the Syrian AFB after the gas attacks is the only real military action that I can think of?
I wouldn't say that Trump himself is a warhawk, in fact I think he's a chickenshit. He does, however, LOVE a distraction, and starting up a shitstorm in the ME (again) is a great way to get people to stop talking about your treasonous behavior, and uptick you 10 points or so, ensuring you retain your presidency and roll right on past those statutes of limitation on the charges NY will bend you over a barrel for.

EDIT: It's also been stated on many an occasion that it's fairly easy to convince Trump to do something, if it's coming from someone in his 'inner circle'. Bannon Bolton fits the bill, and he'd love nothing more than have a second fucking Normandy.
 
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IJTSSG

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I wouldn't get too wrapped up about the where the holes appear to be. The ship has a definite list on it that was put there on purpose to get the holes as far above the waterline as possible.

Seems pretty sloppy for a "nation-state" attack.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I wouldn't get too wrapped up about the where the holes appear to be. The ship has a definite list on it that was put there on purpose to get the holes as far above the waterline as possible.

Seems pretty sloppy for a "nation-state" attack.
It's only sloppy if you assume the intent was to sink the ship. The detonations were clearly above the waterline to begin with, and a small enough explosive was used that it'd make a bunch of smoke but not dump millions of barrels of oil into the gulf. This was for show, to get someone to do something. We'll find out at some point later who, and for what purposes.
 

DrunkenSano

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So many conflicting reports, initial report said possible torpedo, then went to mines, now a flying object. I am guessing the flying object has to be a drone with makeshift explosives attached to it. I don't see how it could be a bullet since it would be flying too fast to be seen by the naked eye as claimed by the tanker personnel and a missile should have a visible flare at the end and would cause a much bigger explosion.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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So many conflicting reports, initial report said possible torpedo, then went to mines, now a flying object. I am guessing the flying object has to be a drone with makeshift explosives attached to it. I don't see how it could be a bullet since it would be flying too fast to be seen by the naked eye as claimed by the tanker personnel and a missile should have a visible flare at the end and would cause a much bigger explosion.
Given that the limpets are magnetic it's very reasonable that a drone could have flown into it, connected with the magnet, then just fallen into the ocean.
 

VRAMdemon

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I don't know. I think Trump really would like the excuse to play with his toys. He has this image of himself as a tough guy, and I think it would make him feel powerful. It is all about how things make him look or feel. His ego is in control most of the time.

Saying that, I don't think he will send troops. It is too much of a commitment for him. I think he will just going to bomb some shit, and maybe use missiles or ship to shore bombardment. Unless he really does think he needs it to help him win the next election, but I think it is a bit too soon for that.

Maybe...But I don't believe Trump is a warmonger at heart. He's campaigned against it and his isolationist wing of his base won't like it. That's not to say he won't use it for distractionary purposes and other positions to project him as tough, when he really is, deep down, a pussy. It's a coin flip at this point, and I'm not completely sure that a expensive, manufactured war to placate his ego is a winner at the voting booth.
 

hal2kilo

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Maybe...But I don't believe Trump is a warmonger at heart. He's campaigned against it and his isolationist wing of his base won't like it. That's not to say he won't use it for distractionary purposes and other positions to project him as tough, when he really is, deep down, a pussy. It's a coin flip at this point, and I'm not completely sure that a expensive, manufactured war to placate his ego is a winner at the voting booth.
I don't think Trump believes in anything for more than 5 minutes if it doesn't directly affect him. He has no policies accept to rock the boat.
 

Luna1968

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I don't know. I think Trump really would like the excuse to play with his toys. He has this image of himself as a tough guy, and I think it would make him feel powerful. It is all about how things make him look or feel. His ego is in control most of the time.

Saying that, I don't think he will send troops. It is too much of a commitment for him. I think he will just going to bomb some shit, and maybe use missiles or ship to shore bombardment. Unless he really does think he needs it to help him win the next election, but I think it is a bit too soon for that.

its going on 4 years, besides from a impressive cruise missile attack on terrorist in Syria he has not played with his toys. unlike Obama who was shooting hellfire missiles with drones all over the middle east.
 

UNCjigga

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Fun fact: Saudi Arabia has intercepted Houthi drones in the past. Japanese operator says ship was attacked by a “flying object”. Houthis have not claimed responsibility...

I’m just putting every conspiracy theory possible on the table for now...I’m sure we’ll have slightly more reliable intel in a few weeks time!
 
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