Two More Vessels Attacked in Gulf of Oman

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kage69

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Ugh, I can't watch anymore Pompeo or read any more Trump or Bolton, I'm done. Looking forward to the coming international forensics. Usually a lot left over when a missile hits, if crew was correct that is.

Pity that video was so shoddy, def looks like P-8 cam footage and not a nice modern drone's feed. I watched it several times, what is this 1998? Anyone know of any other feeds regarding this incident?

Anyway, before someone throws a fit, at this point I'm leaning towards the likes of Bolton and Pompeo trying to get their war, or at least get Iran back to the table on their terms. Higher gas prices would just mean more money for their friends, also Putin, with LNG too. Still, like I said, face has a lot to do with politics. I can kinda see why Iran would expend minimal effort in showing the world the crucial energy link there is still under their thumb, especially after our fleet build up last month. In this case, perhaps they found a way to do it where China, their main benefactor, would be less inclined to complain. Maybe even throw'em a bone. One ship is Japanese and the other was bound for Taiwan. I can certainly see how China would be ok with the US Navy having to focus on the Middle East for awhile, just saying.

Saw this over at The Washington Post, and it worries me:

"But Pompeo sees it differently, according to U.S. Reps. Elissa Slotkin, a Democrat, and Matt Gaetz, a Republican, who said Thursday they have heard the secretary of state argue in briefings that the administration can authorize war on Iran."

Makes me think back to those Rumsfeld and Cheney days, when they took a child by the hand and led him and the country off to war.
 
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kage69

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It's funny watching the fucktards argue about whether 2+2=5 or 6.

Yeah I watch Fox for the laughs too. No tips at the glory hole last night huh Rim Job? This is becoming a trend, maybe you should consider finding a new stall?

Figures someone of your... intellect would take humor in all this. Bet a blumpkin like you thought that last fabricated war was just a hoot. If we need insight on how to suck Trump's ass, we'll be sure and let you know. You may return to your felching duties, thanks.
 
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kage69

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US officials are saying Iranian speedboats prevented privately owned tugs from reaching the damaged/evacuated tankers.
 

kage69

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Look at it this way, a war guarantees Trump a second term. Mission accomplished!

With anyone else I would probably agree. With Trump, I'm not sure I believe it. I see millions of Americans being pretty unnerved by going to war with a guy who undermines our intelligence services and our alliances, proudly siding with Putin and Kim Jong Un over dedicated American diplomats and military. With Cheney and Bush's epic fuckup still fresh in the rear view mirror, well, I personally have some doubts.
 

blankslate

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With anyone else I would probably agree. With Trump, I'm not sure I believe it. I see millions of Americans being pretty unnerved by going to war with a guy who undermines our intelligence services and our alliances, proudly siding with Putin and Kim Jong Un over dedicated American diplomats and military. With Cheney and Bush's epic fuckup still fresh in the rear view mirror, well, I personally have some doubts.

I hope you're right but every time I watch a segment on CNN or whatever news channel asking voters about their opinions on the campaign it is not encouraging.


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Indus

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I hope you're right but every time I watch a segment on CNN or whatever news channel asking voters about their opinions on the campaign it is not encouraging.


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We have to understand 41% of the population is perma nazi with no hope!

Our only hope is younger voters and millennials who are sick and tired of getting abused and crushed under the Mitch McConnel, Donald Trump oppression of our rights.
 

kage69

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Anonymous Trump admin officials have zero credibility.

Actually, it's probably in the negatives by now. I'm still trying to find out the names of the reported two sources, but then noticed that Iran is already spreading it's own story about this event, with some pretty weird twists. According to their local news, the Altair sank and Iran rescued 44 sailors. IRNA's take as per Reuters

Can anyone confirm that the Altair sank?

As a teen I spent 3 summers in Muscat at my dads place, a house in a complex built on a waterfront cliff. Path down to a private beach, had fantastic snorkeling and spearfishing. Good times. This is roughly a couple hundred miles southeast from where these attacks took place. The thought of a major oil spill there makes me sad, I'd very much like to return to Oman someday.
 
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cytg111

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That's funny. When they're quoted saying Trump did something you eat it up like the jizz Kages old lady sucks down by the gallon.

We are sorry you have had, and still have, a sad life... We get it. It sucks to be you. Sympathies man... sympathies.
 

Jhhnn

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Actually, it's probably in the negatives by now. I'm still trying to find out the names of the reported two sources, but then noticed that Iran is already spreading it's own story about this event, with some pretty weird twists. According to their local news, the Altair sank and Iran rescued 44 sailors. IRNA's take as per Reuters

Can anyone confirm that the Altair sank?

As a teen I spent 3 summers in Muscat at my dads place, a house in a complex built on a waterfront cliff. Path down to a private beach, had fantastic snorkeling and spearfishing. Good times. This is roughly a couple hundred miles southeast from where these attacks took place. The thought of a major oil spill there makes me sad, I'd very much like to return to Oman someday.

Meh. IRNA has acknowledged that the two tankers are being towed out of their waters-

https://en.irna.ir/news/83354763/Crashed-tankers-leave-Iranian-waters

The translation to English is awkward.
 

kage69

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Meh. IRNA has acknowledged that the two tankers are being towed out of their waters-

https://en.irna.ir/news/83354763/Crashed-tankers-leave-Iranian-waters

The translation to English is awkward.

I don't think so, the use of the term "crashed" seems very intentional, and there are no issues with other areas of the article. Iran has a very educated population, and Iranians serving in Iranian News services are often quite fluent in English. Hell, they just embarrassed the GOP back in 2015 by demonstrating more knowledge about the workings of US government than republicans when they received the GOP's letter of intent. We are not a mystery to them.

Let's forget the other fake reports for the moment. Iran wants everyone to think it was just "a crash," and that their "humanitarian gesture" saved the day. Like I said, as full of shit as Trump and his handlers.
 
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Jhhnn

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I don't think so, the use of the term "crashed" seems very intentional, and there are no issues with other areas of the article. Iran has a very educated population, and Iranians serving in Iranian News services are often quite fluent in English. Hell, they just embarrassed the GOP back in 2015 by demonstrating more knowledge about the workings of US government than republicans when they received the GOP's letter of intent. We are not a mystery to them.

Let's forget the other fake reports for the moment. Iran wants everyone to think it was just "a crash," and that their "humanitarian gesture" saved the day. Like I said, as full of shit as Trump and his handlers.

Whatever. It's not like they're trying to start a war, is it?
 

kage69

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Whatever. It's not like they're trying to start a war, is it?

Need a bowl for those cherries?

I hate it when trump zealots and young earth creationists do it, it's a bad look for you as well. I don't know what the Iranians are really up to and I don't think you do either, the difference is I'm not giving them a free pass like you seem to be. I'll be sure add Whatever to the replies I have for your next round of thread demands. Add a little Farsi and (sometimes) extra melanin and whoa, talking out your ass no longer matters. Gotcha.
 
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kage69

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Yeah saw that about the drone 'engagement.'

I'm more interested about the timing of the ship attacks and subsequent response. We have drones incidents all the time. The reports are the Hyundai Dubai ship got demands from the Iranians to get off the boat, who called home and asked the brass what to do. Corporate guys said 'Tell them No Thanks.' That didn't work and the Capt felt he had no choice to comply.

Again, big difference in how things are reported in Iran. War doesn't necessarily have to be the goal of Iranian agenda here, it might be more of gutsy PR move to bolster both good cop/bad cop act for the role it declares to possess. Details matter, and in time enough will come out hopefully.
 

Jhhnn

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Need a bowl for those cherries?

I hate it when trump zealots and young earth creationists do it, it's a bad look for you as well. I don't know what the Iranians are really up to and I don't think you do either, the difference is I'm not giving them a free pass like you seem to be. I'll be sure add Whatever to the replies I have for your next round of thread demands. Add a little Farsi and (sometimes) extra melanin and whoa, talking out your ass no longer matters. Gotcha.

You poor thing. The Trump admin's words & actions against Iran are utterly indefensible & have been since the beginning. It's utterly contrived to create a rationale for aggression. If Iran's spin doesn't suit you, just remember- they're not trying to start a war. We are.
 

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Looks like Iran attempted to shoot down American drones monitoring the activity:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/iran-atte...er-tanker-010852328--abc-news-topstories.html

"Iranians spotted a US drone flying overhead and launched a surface-to-air missile at the unmanned aircraft, a US official told CNN. "
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/politics/us-drone-tracked-iranian-boats/index.html

SA-7 is a manpad with a range of about 2 miles
MQ-9 is a scrawny thing with a bunch of explodey stuff attached. It's whats known as a a"warplane". Picture seeing one at a couple of miles out and remember that the US lots to kill people with these things. Civilians and any civilian who decide is on the wrong side of someone else civil war.

"The attempt missed the MQ-9 Reaper by "approximately one kilometer."
"The SA-7 was ineffective and its closest point of approach to the MQ-9 was approximately one kilometer "
"The U.S. military said that it was a modified SA-7 fired from Iran’s mainland."


So a US warplane was close enough to Iranian territory to be seen by land and fired up on by a shortrange manpad?

Alrighty then
 

Jhhnn

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SA-7 is a manpad with a range of about 2 miles
MQ-9 is a scrawny thing with a bunch of explodey stuff attached. It's whats known as a a"warplane". Picture seeing one at a couple of miles out and remember that the US lots to kill people with these things. Civilians and any civilian who decide is on the wrong side of someone else civil war.





So a US warplane was close enough to Iranian territory to be seen by land and fired up on by a shortrange manpad?

Alrighty then

Makes a guy wonder if such a missile was ever fired, huh?
 
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kage69

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You poor thing. The Trump admin's words & actions against Iran are utterly indefensible & have been since the beginning. It's utterly contrived to create a rationale for aggression. If Iran's spin doesn't suit you, just remember- they're not trying to start a war. We are.

Yes, and this thread is just littered with me saying the opposite. Physician, heal thyself.
 

Greenman

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Surprisingly minor amount of damage to the Japanese ship. While I'm not familiar with modern ordnance, I would have expected a great deal more damage from any anti ship weapon. Two direct hits on an unarmored vessel should have sunk it. I would expect more damage from a man portable anti tank weapon.
The entire idea of it being a mine is absurd. Mines are designed to do damage below the water line, holes way up on the side are little more than a nuance.
If I walked up to that ship at a dock, I'd assume those holes were simple impact damage.
 

UglyCasanova

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A mine not used in the traditional sense. Think of it just as a stick on bomb. Somebody had a bomb with a magnet on it, stuck it on the boats at some point in time (in route or in port who knows) and it probably had a timer or activated by radio or cell or something and then boom.
 
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SA-7 is a manpad with a range of about 2 miles
MQ-9 is a scrawny thing with a bunch of explodey stuff attached. It's whats known as a a"warplane". Picture seeing one at a couple of miles out and remember that the US lots to kill people with these things. Civilians and any civilian who decide is on the wrong side of someone else civil war.





So a US warplane was close enough to Iranian territory to be seen by land and fired up on by a shortrange manpad?

Alrighty then

I don't believe it would be that outlandish as the waterway there is fairly narrow. And Iran is known for being very aggressive with regards to what they consider inside their territory (to the point that's one of the reasons why we have vessels basically constantly patrolling those waters, as its not unheard of for Iran to go outside their territory to antagonize people who innocently were straying a bit out of the usual navigation route; but I could definitely see them shooting a missile even knowing it isn't likely to hit the drone as a "we know you're there, we will shoot you down").

Do not take that as me supporting either side. This is what happens when you get two shitheads together, you can't trust either one and both have a bad habit of antagonizing things for their own gain. That's a recipe for disaster.

I could absolutely see someone (from a random asshole troll, to a freedom fighter/terrorist, to another nation state like Russia) doing something to try and start some shit, where both American and Iran then look like lying dipshits trying to frame evidence to support them saying it was the other.
 
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