Tyranids confirmed in Dawn of War II

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Juddog

ZOMG Zerg!

That was sarcasm, correct?

Sarcasm meter batteries are full on this one.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Malladine

Dude it's all about the Genestealers

Yes, not much can stand up to Genestealers in hand-to-hand-to-hand-to-hand combat.

they were 28 points/model though. homragaunts were 8/unit, plus had faster movement. my nid army wasn't very good, lots of high point models, no meatshields. sucks when you don't have $$ as a kid, heh. i looked at getting back into it, but prices went up

 

[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: Malladine

Dude it's all about the Genestealers

Yes, not much can stand up to Genestealers in hand-to-hand-to-hand-to-hand combat.

they were 28 points/model though. homragaunts were 8/unit, plus had faster movement. my nid army wasn't very good, lots of high point models, no meatshields. sucks when you don't have $$ as a kid, heh. i looked at getting back into it, but prices went up

prices arent that bad if you buy the battlepacks and deals they have. You save quite a bit of cash. I just got back into it myself. Of course, having a full time job with no g/f helps with the cash flow towards the game.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Is that a bullet lodged into the main commander/general's head?

BTW that video was sweet and I don't know anything about warhammer. I'll def. keep my eyes open for this game.

I do believe it is a rank or service stud. If I remember my fluff correctly, it recognises 100 years of service for the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. Space Marines tend to live up to 400-500 years old (also IIRC).

Some senior ranking Space Marines such as Sargeants forgo helmets.

Actually they are capable of living forever but most die in combat within 50 years or so if not less.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Is that a bullet lodged into the main commander/general's head?

BTW that video was sweet and I don't know anything about warhammer. I'll def. keep my eyes open for this game.

I do believe it is a rank or service stud. If I remember my fluff correctly, it recognises 100 years of service for the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. Space Marines tend to live up to 400-500 years old (also IIRC).

Some senior ranking Space Marines such as Sargeants forgo helmets.

Actually they are capable of living forever but most die in combat within 50 years or so if not less.

Where is the canon for such things established? (don't know anything about WH40k outside of DoW)

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Is that a bullet lodged into the main commander/general's head?

BTW that video was sweet and I don't know anything about warhammer. I'll def. keep my eyes open for this game.

I do believe it is a rank or service stud. If I remember my fluff correctly, it recognises 100 years of service for the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. Space Marines tend to live up to 400-500 years old (also IIRC).

Some senior ranking Space Marines such as Sargeants forgo helmets.

Actually they are capable of living forever but most die in combat within 50 years or so if not less.

Where is the canon for such things established? (don't know anything about WH40k outside of DoW)

I disagree Drift3r. It goes against all what I know of Space Marines. IIRC there is a Blood Angel who is considered old at over 400. I am certain that the average lifespan of a Space Marine is 200-300 years even in combat. Space Marine initiates are difficult to find so if they only lasted 50 years... I think most SM chapters would die out very quickly.

Canon is generally the Codices... expensive books which cover the backstory plus I do believe they cover table top rules. Latest Edition Codices should be considered totally canon.

The Black Library is generally canon. Authors such as Dan Abnett (Gaunts Ghosts series focused around the Imperial guard, Eisenhorn an Inquisitor trilogy and Ravenor an Inquisitor spin-off series from Eisenhorn, Graham O'Neill (Ultramarines series) and Ben Counter (Grey Knights series) are all top authors from the Black Library and are generally speaking good with canon but not perfect.

C.S. Goto's name is like mud on any WH40k Book Forum. He did the Dawn of War series of books and his canon rating is probably explained best by "He makes it up as he goes along".

For opinions on fluff, canon and books... I strongly recommend the Relic Dawn of War forums. They have dedicated sections for Canon/Fluff and Authors/Books from which you can start to build your knowledge.

"Knowledge is Power. Hide it well"

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Is that a bullet lodged into the main commander/general's head?

BTW that video was sweet and I don't know anything about warhammer. I'll def. keep my eyes open for this game.

I do believe it is a rank or service stud. If I remember my fluff correctly, it recognises 100 years of service for the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. Space Marines tend to live up to 400-500 years old (also IIRC).

Some senior ranking Space Marines such as Sargeants forgo helmets.

Actually they are capable of living forever but most die in combat within 50 years or so if not less.

Where is the canon for such things established? (don't know anything about WH40k outside of DoW)

What's canon is the game and magazine. So that can change monthly. The main rules get completely changed every 4 or 5 years. You have the core rules and then all the army codexes with each armies rules. So by the time all the rules are written they immediately start rewriting them again.

The game is just an endless cycle of buying and learning new rules without even a months reprieve.

 

[biostud]

http://www.thq-games.com/uk/thqtv/index/1851

gameplay video as well

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Elcs

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Is that a bullet lodged into the main commander/general's head?

BTW that video was sweet and I don't know anything about warhammer. I'll def. keep my eyes open for this game.

I do believe it is a rank or service stud. If I remember my fluff correctly, it recognises 100 years of service for the Emperor and the Imperium of Man. Space Marines tend to live up to 400-500 years old (also IIRC).

Some senior ranking Space Marines such as Sargeants forgo helmets.

Actually they are capable of living forever but most die in combat within 50 years or so if not less.

Where is the canon for such things established? (don't know anything about WH40k outside of DoW)

I disagree Drift3r. It goes against all what I know of Space Marines. IIRC there is a Blood Angel who is considered old at over 400. I am certain that the average lifespan of a Space Marine is 200-300 years even in combat. Space Marine initiates are difficult to find so if they only lasted 50 years... I think most SM chapters would die out very quickly.

Canon is generally the Codices... expensive books which cover the backstory plus I do believe they cover table top rules. Latest Edition Codices should be considered totally canon.

The Black Library is generally canon. Authors such as Dan Abnett (Gaunts Ghosts series focused around the Imperial guard, Eisenhorn an Inquisitor trilogy and Ravenor an Inquisitor spin-off series from Eisenhorn, Graham O'Neill (Ultramarines series) and Ben Counter (Grey Knights series) are all top authors from the Black Library and are generally speaking good with canon but not perfect.

C.S. Goto's name is like mud on any WH40k Book Forum. He did the Dawn of War series of books and his canon rating is probably explained best by "He makes it up as he goes along".

For opinions on fluff, canon and books... I strongly recommend the Relic Dawn of War forums. They have dedicated sections for Canon/Fluff and Authors/Books from which you can start to build your knowledge.

"Knowledge is Power. Hide it well"

Space Marines living longer then a few hundred years were considered old basically due to the insane amount of combat experience and Chapter history. Also even with a few hundred years of life a Space Marines does not suffer from the aging process as it is virtually ( aside from maybe graying hair seen in fluff art ) nil. Disease and illness does not effect them at all as they are basically immune from these effects.

In the novel Horus Rising the main character Loken points out that no one knew how long a Space Marines could actually live because most eventually die in combat. The biggest killer of Space Marines has always been duty. Lord Commander Dante of the Blood Angels is the oldest Space Marine in fluff as he is 1,200 year old.

http://www.games-workshop.com/...000&prodId=prod1100005

Also the only thing that would prevent a Space Marine Chapter from replenishing itself would be a lack of gene seed. The actual Space Marine is not as important as the gene seed he carries in his body. Of course gene seed is one of the most important things to be recovered from a dead Space Marines when the opportunity to do so arises in the battlefield. Also the Adeptus Mechanicus on Mars are the ones who control the entire stock of gene seed for SM Chapters. From what I have read they are rumored to be hording a huge stock pile of gene seed for what amounts to a very rainy day and are very stingy on replenishing gene seed stocks for Chapters that have failed/disgraced the Emperor of Mankind in the line of duty or who have been placed under suspicion for potential corruption of their gene seed.

As for my 50 year estimate well I will admit I was to conservative with that estimate. It may of be that I confused the estimate with the estimated life span of Greenskins who also have been noted to not suffer from any problems with aging either. Yet IMHO anything past 100-150 years is considered to be old for a Space Marine due to the huge amount of combat they see from the point that they become a Space Marine.

Now if you really want a good source of Warhammer fluff you should visit the Black Library forums instead. Relic forums are nice but they are not the hub of GW 40K fluff. The Black Library is the publishing wing of GW. They were/are assigned the duty of creating fluff. GW takes the stories and backgrounds created by the Black Library and inserts them into their codex books. In fact the sole reason why GW spun out the Black Library as a separate company was so that they could specialize in the creation of fluff for their games while they would then in turn specialize in the meat and potatoes of gaming rules, mini design, marketing and production. Now while a Codex will contain fluff stories most of those stories are very, very short and a typical codex couldn't hope encompass the vast majority of fluff found in other sources.

As to why Codex books are expensive...well it's the same reason why GW paint brushes and acrylic paints are overly priced. Simply GW likes to charge a premium price for their products. A typical codex book is only 80-100 pages in length and most of those pages are dedicated to gaming rules for the given army, unit type descriptions, available unit/army perks, acceptable loaded outs for units, painting schemes, pictures of painted armies on top of the short stories and condensed histories etc.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/faq.asp

The Black Library is an imprint of the British publishing house BL Publishing. It produces a range of all-action novels, art books, background books and other cool items, all set in the dark and gothic worlds of Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000. BL Publishing in turn is a part of Games Workshop, the world?s leading creator of fantasy games.

PS - Yes I am a 40K nerd. Sad I know but it's a hopeless addiction I've tried to control somewhat in the past but I have had little luck in doing so as of late.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Elcs

"Knowledge is Power. Hide it well"

Is that what that dude kept saying every time I clicked on him?

I thought it was: Knowledge is power, I did well.

lol

 

[Fenixgoon]

drifter, have you read any of the gaunt's ghosts novels? i picked up "the saint" (4 books in 1 giant volume) for $13. granted it's about IG, but it was a very good series. perusing the GW website, i was glad to see that have an IG model for colonel-commissar gaunt

 

[RedArmy]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Elcs

"Knowledge is Power. Hide it well"

Is that what that dude kept saying every time I clicked on him?

I thought it was: Knowledge is power, I did well.

lol

That's the librarian, and if I remember correctly (I don't play SM that much), he says: "If knowledge is power, then I've done well"

What Elcs said is one of the short quotes they put it for the Imperium Thought for the Day

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
drifter, have you read any of the gaunt's ghosts novels? i picked up "the saint" (4 books in 1 giant volume) for $13. granted it's about IG, but it was a very good series. perusing the GW website, i was glad to see that have an IG model for colonel-commissar gaunt

I own and have read all 12 of the Gaunts Ghost novels. Fantastic series.

Dan Abnett is my favourite WH40k author.

 

[MarcVenice]

Heh I've read quite a few novels of the Ghaunt Ghost serie as well. Back when I was like 13-14 though, quite a few years ago. Perhaps I should look into it again, because those books were pretty cool.

Any other suggestions concerning w40k books?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Heh I've read quite a few novels of the Ghaunt Ghost serie as well. Back when I was like 13-14 though, quite a few years ago. Perhaps I should look into it again, because those books were pretty cool.

Any other suggestions concerning w40k books?

"Storm of Iron" just kicks ass but it's not a book where the good guys win the day.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
drifter, have you read any of the gaunt's ghosts novels? i picked up "the saint" (4 books in 1 giant volume) for $13. granted it's about IG, but it was a very good series. perusing the GW website, i was glad to see that have an IG model for colonel-commissar gaunt

It's good book but IMHO "The Founding" is the better Omnibus book and it's also the first book in the Gaunt series. I especially like the Necropolis portion of the book as it is straight up set in a massive hive city brawl. If you want some SM books then the HH series is great ( The Dark Angels book is lame and the only exception) and the recent book "Battle for the Abyss" continues the tradition. If you are looking for a good Chaos SM novel then "Storm of Iron" just kicks ass. The "Eisenhorn" series is also very good and I'd suggest you get the Omnibus version. I'd also recommend "Fire and Faith" if you want to read a "Sister of Battle" based novel.

 

[MarcVenice]

I just ordered The Saint, Horus Rising and Legion.

When I'm done with those, I will look into Storm of Iron. Whats the HH series ?

 

[VashHT]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
I just ordered The Saint, Horus Rising and Legion.

When I'm done with those, I will look into Storm of Iron. Whats the HH series ?

HH is the horus heresy series. You actually ordered two books from it (horus rising and legion). Legion is the newest or 2nd newest one though, so you'll be reading it out of order. Horus rising in the first book in the HH series though.

Here's all of the HH books in the order they came out:
Horus Rising
False Gods
Galaxy in Flames
Flight of the Eisenstein
Fulgrim
Descent of Angels
Legion
Battle for the Abyss

They're not all directly related to each other (the storyline doesn't continue one path throughout the series) but I would still read them in that order.

 

[MarcVenice]

Oh, the booksite gave me the idea that Horus Rising and Legion where in fact the first and the second book. Reckon I can read Legion without being to confused?

 

[VashHT]

From what I remember Legion was mostly its own storyline, dealing with the Alpha Legiona nd why they turned traitor. I *think* that the story is pretty much independent from the main story arc of the heresy, you should be able to read it without being confused I'd think. The first 5 books are all part of the main story arc, but the books look at the heresy from the POV of the different legions. Descent of Angels is only about the Dark Angels, that could be read separately as well. I haven't read the newest one yet so I don't know where it stands.

 

[MarcVenice]

Thanks for the info mate. These are all books from Dan Ablett though, should I stick with him?

 

[VashHT]

I've found Graham Mcneill to be good as well, the Ultramarines Omnibus was a good read. There are some good Warhamemr fantasy novels as well, but since this is a 40K thread I won't go into it.

 

[MarcVenice]

I really like fantasy as well, but I don't think warhammer ( non 40k ) is my cup of tea. Thanks for all the info, if I need you again, I'll know where to find you

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: Elcs
The Black Library is generally canon. Authors such as Dan Abnett (Gaunts Ghosts series focused around the Imperial guard, Eisenhorn an Inquisitor trilogy and Ravenor an Inquisitor spin-off series from Eisenhorn, Graham O'Neill (Ultramarines series) and Ben Counter (Grey Knights series) are all top authors from the Black Library and are generally speaking good with canon but not perfect.

C.S. Goto's name is like mud on any WH40k Book Forum. He did the Dawn of War series of books and his canon rating is probably explained best by "He makes it up as he goes along".

MarcVenice: I have quoted the above part from my earlier post re: books.

As mentioned, Gaunts Ghosts, Ultramarines Omnibus and Eisenhorn Omnibus are awesome.

 

[ayabe]

You know, when DOW first came out, I tried a demo and hated the game with a passion, I hated the whole control point concept, HATED, can't stress that enough.

Then I played CoH which completely changed my opinion of the system and has since elevated CoH to my all time favorite skirmish/MP RTS. More than the TW games or Starcraft.


I was bored a few weeks ago and decided to give DoW another try. I got the multipack, and played through it all. I now appreciate it much more even with a dated engine and spotty voice acting. I think Dark Crusade is the first one to support WS resolutions however.

Anyways, I'm still having fun with it, and found that I'm a lot better at this game than I remember, probably from my CoH experience.

I will definately be picking this up, while I would prefer if Relic would crank out another CoH expansion(Soviets please!).