Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Socio
What holiday will be next to be taken away and replaced to accommodate an immigrant's?
You are a racist. Unless you are a native American you are all immigrants.
Originally posted by: mooseracing
Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America?
Teh country was founded on Christians and their beliefs, all teh crap about getting it out of schools, governemnt, such as statues and money and the rest is just bullshit.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.
"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
Originally posted by: spacejamz
why can't the somalis have taken a vacation day instead so that they didn't force 500 Americans who work in America to burn one of their vacation days??
Originally posted by: mooseracing
Teh country was founded on Christians and their beliefs, all teh crap about getting it out of schools, governemnt, such as statues and money and the rest is just bullshit.
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Because the 700 is bigger then the number 500. Its a difficult concept to grasp, but I'm sure someone can help explain it.
OK so now we get to the truth, you are against having Somalis living here in the States.Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Because the 700 is bigger then the number 500. Its a difficult concept to grasp, but I'm sure someone can help explain it.
look, the 500 non-muslim workers (who I assume are American who have been living and working in the US longer than the Somalias have) suddenly get a holiday that they have observed for pretty much forever yanked from underneath them because of 700 immigrants who just happened to move into their town...
As an extreme example, I would like to see how you would feel if your company outsourced a bunch of position to a company in another country on the other side of the world which caused the number of outsource employees to be greater than the number in your office and then they vote to have your office keep the same hours as theirs, i.e, you would be working a graveyard shift... that would suck for everyone that worked in your office, wouldn't it?
and I have read more stuff on this 'story' such as the Somalies spreading TB into other areas where they have congragated here in the States (in Miissouri and Minnesota) after fleeing Somalia...there were other reports that the Somalia union leaders were able to hide information relating to the voting of this issue from the American union members....not sure how much of this is true or false, but it would be very disturbing if it was true...
anyway I would not be surprised if the corruption/power mongering that runs rampant throughout union organizations had a role in all of this anyway, so whoever's pockets got lined the deepest probably got what they wanted...
Originally posted by: spacejamz
look, the 500 non-muslim workers (who I assume are American who have been living and working in the US longer than the Somalias have) suddenly get a holiday that they have observed for pretty much forever yanked from underneath them because of 700 immigrants who just happened to move into their town...
As an extreme example, I would like to see how you would feel if your company outsourced a bunch of position to a company in another country on the other side of the world which caused the number of outsource employees to be greater than the number in your office and then they vote to have your office keep the same hours as theirs, i.e, you would be working a graveyard shift... that would suck for everyone that worked in your office, wouldn't it?
and I have read more stuff on this 'story' such as the Somalies spreading TB into other areas where they have congragated here in the States (in Miissouri and Minnesota) after fleeing Somalia...there were other reports that the Somalia union leaders were able to hide information relating to the voting of this issue from the American union members....not sure how much of this is true or false, but it would be very disturbing if it was true...
anyway I would not be surprised if the corruption/power mongering that runs rampant throughout union organizations had a role in all of this anyway, so whoever's pockets got lined the deepest probably got what they wanted...
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: spacejamz
look, the 500 non-muslim workers (who I assume are American who have been living and working in the US longer than the Somalias have) suddenly get a holiday that they have observed for pretty much forever yanked from underneath them because of 700 immigrants who just happened to move into their town...
As an extreme example, I would like to see how you would feel if your company outsourced a bunch of position to a company in another country on the other side of the world which caused the number of outsource employees to be greater than the number in your office and then they vote to have your office keep the same hours as theirs, i.e, you would be working a graveyard shift... that would suck for everyone that worked in your office, wouldn't it?
and I have read more stuff on this 'story' such as the Somalies spreading TB into other areas where they have congragated here in the States (in Miissouri and Minnesota) after fleeing Somalia...there were other reports that the Somalia union leaders were able to hide information relating to the voting of this issue from the American union members....not sure how much of this is true or false, but it would be very disturbing if it was true...
anyway I would not be surprised if the corruption/power mongering that runs rampant throughout union organizations had a role in all of this anyway, so whoever's pockets got lined the deepest probably got what they wanted...
Tyson's chicken plant. They can do what they want. They chose to make the greatest number possible of their workers happy. Why this is an issue is simply mind boggling.
Your comparison of working hours to a single holiday shift is ridiculous. Changing everyone to the graveyard shift would fundamentally alter their whole lives. Barbecuing once a year on a different day doesn't do that. Is this really so hard for people to understand? It's a stupid holiday, one day a year. It's a tiny thing, and Tyson found a way to accomodate their employees on this matter in some ways I'm sure specifically because it was a minor issue.
And as I said before, Labor Day is there to celebrate the power of the working man to change his conditions to those he likes better. The fact that people are flipping out when these working men do just that is hilarious. (and stupid)
Originally posted by: mooseracing
Originally posted by: techs
I suppose you also are against the Christianization of America?
Teh country was founded on Christians and their beliefs, all teh crap about getting it out of schools, governemnt, such as statues and money and the rest is just bullshit.
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: Socio
What holiday will be next to be taken away and replaced to accommodate an immigrant's?
You are a racist. Unless you are a native American you are all immigrants.
Originally posted by: dawp
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: spacejamz
look, the 500 non-muslim workers (who I assume are American who have been living and working in the US longer than the Somalias have) suddenly get a holiday that they have observed for pretty much forever yanked from underneath them because of 700 immigrants who just happened to move into their town...
As an extreme example, I would like to see how you would feel if your company outsourced a bunch of position to a company in another country on the other side of the world which caused the number of outsource employees to be greater than the number in your office and then they vote to have your office keep the same hours as theirs, i.e, you would be working a graveyard shift... that would suck for everyone that worked in your office, wouldn't it?
and I have read more stuff on this 'story' such as the Somalies spreading TB into other areas where they have congragated here in the States (in Miissouri and Minnesota) after fleeing Somalia...there were other reports that the Somalia union leaders were able to hide information relating to the voting of this issue from the American union members....not sure how much of this is true or false, but it would be very disturbing if it was true...
anyway I would not be surprised if the corruption/power mongering that runs rampant throughout union organizations had a role in all of this anyway, so whoever's pockets got lined the deepest probably got what they wanted...
Tyson's chicken plant. They can do what they want. They chose to make the greatest number possible of their workers happy. Why this is an issue is simply mind boggling.
Your comparison of working hours to a single holiday shift is ridiculous. Changing everyone to the graveyard shift would fundamentally alter their whole lives. Barbecuing once a year on a different day doesn't do that. Is this really so hard for people to understand? It's a stupid holiday, one day a year. It's a tiny thing, and Tyson found a way to accomodate their employees on this matter in some ways I'm sure specifically because it was a minor issue.
And as I said before, Labor Day is there to celebrate the power of the working man to change his conditions to those he likes better. The fact that people are flipping out when these working men do just that is hilarious. (and stupid)
I figured a while ago it was because they were immigrents and not 'Mericans is what chaffed his hide. he could care less about the holiday swap.
Originally posted by: spacejamz
look, the 500 non-muslim workers (who I assume are American who have been living and working in the US longer than the Somalias have) suddenly get a holiday that they have observed for pretty much forever yanked from underneath them because of 700 immigrants who just happened to move into their town...
As an extreme example, I would like to see how you would feel if your company outsourced a bunch of position to a company in another country on the other side of the world which caused the number of outsource employees to be greater than the number in your office and then they vote to have your office keep the same hours as theirs, i.e, you would be working a graveyard shift... that would suck for everyone that worked in your office, wouldn't it?
and I have read more stuff on this 'story' such as the Somalies spreading TB into other areas where they have congragated here in the States (in Miissouri and Minnesota) after fleeing Somalia...there were other reports that the Somalia union leaders were able to hide information relating to the voting of this issue from the American union members....not sure how much of this is true or false, but it would be very disturbing if it was true...
anyway I would not be surprised if the corruption/power mongering that runs rampant throughout union organizations had a role in all of this anyway, so whoever's pockets got lined the deepest probably got what they wanted...
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Yes, I am for secularizing America entirely. Starting with the withdrawal of tax free status for religion based businesses (ie: churches, synagogues, mosques.) The end of funding any "faith based initiatives." In the end, those standing in the ashes of a church dedicated to an imaginary god will look up and see the flag of the United States, and that will be what they worship. Because it was America that made itself great, that dominated the world, not god. Let the gods of all religion burn in the fires of modern secularism. :thumbsup:
So . . . no celebrating Christmas? That's literally represents 75% of many retailers yearly gross. We MUST keep it, but since Jesus most likely wasn't even born on Dec. 25 anyway -- Orthodox Christians celebrate Jan. 6th -- perhaps we can rename it Near Winter Solstice Spending Opportunity Day!
A small price to pay for the end of the violence and stupidity that religion has brought to the world.
Appelbaum issued this statement even as it came to light that while the union had asserted that 700 of the 1200 Shelbyville plant employees were Somali Muslims, Tyson itself stated that only 250 were Somalis. If Tyson?s number is correct, the supremacist character of this holiday initiative becomes even clearer. In any case, Appelbaum is no doubt correct that other unions will follow the RWDSU?s lead; unfortunately, however, it is also virtually certain that none of them will examine the Muslim Brotherhood?s agenda before they do so. Yet it is that agenda, and that agenda only, that takes the Tyson plant?s decision out of the realm of simple cultural accommodation, and makes it a matter of concern for all free Americans.
Originally posted by: Socio
Here is a real good read on this and new facts about it;
Tyson Foods Adopts Muslim Holiday, Why Americans should be concerned.
Appelbaum issued this statement even as it came to light that while the union had asserted that 700 of the 1200 Shelbyville plant employees were Somali Muslims, Tyson itself stated that only 250 were Somalis. If Tyson?s number is correct, the supremacist character of this holiday initiative becomes even clearer. In any case, Appelbaum is no doubt correct that other unions will follow the RWDSU?s lead; unfortunately, however, it is also virtually certain that none of them will examine the Muslim Brotherhood?s agenda before they do so. Yet it is that agenda, and that agenda only, that takes the Tyson plant?s decision out of the realm of simple cultural accommodation, and makes it a matter of concern for all free Americans.
Only 250 Somali Muslims yet allegedly got the majority vote out of 1200 seems like there is indeed more to this than meets the eye, more like it was fixed than democracy at work.
he's out to prove a pre-existing notion.Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch.
Originally posted by: dawp
Originally posted by: Socio
Here is a real good read on this and new facts about it;
Tyson Foods Adopts Muslim Holiday, Why Americans should be concerned.
Appelbaum issued this statement even as it came to light that while the union had asserted that 700 of the 1200 Shelbyville plant employees were Somali Muslims, Tyson itself stated that only 250 were Somalis. If Tyson?s number is correct, the supremacist character of this holiday initiative becomes even clearer. In any case, Appelbaum is no doubt correct that other unions will follow the RWDSU?s lead; unfortunately, however, it is also virtually certain that none of them will examine the Muslim Brotherhood?s agenda before they do so. Yet it is that agenda, and that agenda only, that takes the Tyson plant?s decision out of the realm of simple cultural accommodation, and makes it a matter of concern for all free Americans.
Only 250 Somali Muslims yet allegedly got the majority vote out of 1200 seems like there is indeed more to this than meets the eye, more like it was fixed than democracy at work.
just like how you repubs like it, so what's the problem
and i wouldn't trust that source you have there as far as i could throw it.
he's out to prove a pre-existing notion.Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch.
The Muslim population at the Shelbyville plant is primarily composed of approximately 250 Somali employees
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: dawp
Originally posted by: Socio
Here is a real good read on this and new facts about it;
Tyson Foods Adopts Muslim Holiday, Why Americans should be concerned.
Appelbaum issued this statement even as it came to light that while the union had asserted that 700 of the 1200 Shelbyville plant employees were Somali Muslims, Tyson itself stated that only 250 were Somalis. If Tyson?s number is correct, the supremacist character of this holiday initiative becomes even clearer. In any case, Appelbaum is no doubt correct that other unions will follow the RWDSU?s lead; unfortunately, however, it is also virtually certain that none of them will examine the Muslim Brotherhood?s agenda before they do so. Yet it is that agenda, and that agenda only, that takes the Tyson plant?s decision out of the realm of simple cultural accommodation, and makes it a matter of concern for all free Americans.
Only 250 Somali Muslims yet allegedly got the majority vote out of 1200 seems like there is indeed more to this than meets the eye, more like it was fixed than democracy at work.
just like how you repubs like it, so what's the problem
and i wouldn't trust that source you have there as far as i could throw it.
he's out to prove a pre-existing notion.Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch.
No it is pointing out the truth;
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/tyson.asp
The Muslim population at the Shelbyville plant is primarily composed of approximately 250 Somali employees
The Union lied thus the Muslim holiday was achieved by means other than democracy vote.
Originally posted by: Socio
Originally posted by: dawp
Originally posted by: Socio
Here is a real good read on this and new facts about it;
Tyson Foods Adopts Muslim Holiday, Why Americans should be concerned.
Appelbaum issued this statement even as it came to light that while the union had asserted that 700 of the 1200 Shelbyville plant employees were Somali Muslims, Tyson itself stated that only 250 were Somalis. If Tyson?s number is correct, the supremacist character of this holiday initiative becomes even clearer. In any case, Appelbaum is no doubt correct that other unions will follow the RWDSU?s lead; unfortunately, however, it is also virtually certain that none of them will examine the Muslim Brotherhood?s agenda before they do so. Yet it is that agenda, and that agenda only, that takes the Tyson plant?s decision out of the realm of simple cultural accommodation, and makes it a matter of concern for all free Americans.
Only 250 Somali Muslims yet allegedly got the majority vote out of 1200 seems like there is indeed more to this than meets the eye, more like it was fixed than democracy at work.
just like how you repubs like it, so what's the problem
and i wouldn't trust that source you have there as far as i could throw it.
he's out to prove a pre-existing notion.Robert Spencer is a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch.
No it is pointing out the truth;
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/tyson.asp
The Muslim population at the Shelbyville plant is primarily composed of approximately 250 Somali employees
The Union lied thus the Muslim holiday was achieved by means other than democracy vote.
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Because the 700 is bigger then the number 500. Its a difficult concept to grasp, but I'm sure someone can help explain it.
look, the 500 non-muslim workers (who I assume are American who have been living and working in the US longer than the Somalias have) suddenly get a holiday that they have observed for pretty much forever yanked from underneath them because of 700 immigrants who just happened to move into their town...
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The way I read it is that Labor Day won't be a paid holiday so I'm guessing that it's still a day off as it is a national holiday, just without pay for the employees of Tyson.
Probably figured nobody would give shit when workers at a Chicken Processing got a paid vacation.Originally posted by: cruzer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The way I read it is that Labor Day won't be a paid holiday so I'm guessing that it's still a day off as it is a national holiday, just without pay for the employees of Tyson.
So why didn't they just leave Labor Day untouched and make Eid an unpaid holiday? Would have been simpler and less controversial.
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Because the 700 is bigger then the number 500. Its a difficult concept to grasp, but I'm sure someone can help explain it.
look, the 500 non-muslim workers (who I assume are American who have been living and working in the US longer than the Somalias have) suddenly get a holiday that they have observed for pretty much forever yanked from underneath them because of 700 immigrants who just happened to move into their town...
If they really cared they would quit their job, protest the company, and maybe even take over the local town government whereby they might enact some sort of law against foreign interests.
Heck, force Tyson Foods to find a new location - throw the plant out of town. If they are so inclined.
Originally posted by: cruzer
So why didn't they just leave Labor Day untouched and make Eid an unpaid holiday? Would have been simpler and less controversial.