U.N. draft: Acts 'amounting to torture' at Guantanamo

[Czar]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

but they have to be treated according to human rights laws right?

edt. and you do have obligation to those people, they are under your custody, under your care, your responsibility

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

but they have to be treated according to human rights laws right?

edt. and you do have obligation to those people, they are under your custody, under your care, your responsibility

Of course you have to treat them humanly...and I believe we do, for the most part. There have been no reports of torture in Guantanamo besides this article (that I've seen at least), and I don't consider force feeding hunger strikers and solitary confinement torture...

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Of course you have to treat them humanly...and I believe we do, for the most part. There have been no reports of torture in Guantanamo besides this article (that I've seen at least), and I don't consider force feeding hunger strikers and solitary confinement torture...

how many reports about prisoner treatments in gitmo have there been done anyways?

 

[dimensionOFdissension]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

The end of what war? The war in Afghanistan? The Iraqi war? The 'War on Terror' which has no real defined objective so no forseeble end? Are you saying it's okay for America to indefinitely confine a human being without charge? Is this what we've become because I seem to remember this being what we used to fight against?

This isn't my America...

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: LumbergTech

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: ntdz
Force feeding prisoners on hunger strike is torture???? WTF?

Solitary confinement to stop other prisoners from going on hunger strike is torture????

What the hell is the matter with the UN?

The article did not say nor imply that.

I know, but I've read in other articles that said the reason they're putting them in solitary confinement is to stop certian prisoners from influencing them from going on hunger strike.

its an explanation..but is it true, have you done anything to find out either way?

Actually, it's irrelevant. Most of the prisoners at Gitmo have ALWAYS been in solitary. The "peer pressure" hunger strike is just an excuse.

Yep, and the bigshots in here acting like it's nothing would urinate all over themselves and be blubbering incoherently after one day of it.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

but they have to be treated according to human rights laws right?

edt. and you do have obligation to those people, they are under your custody, under your care, your responsibility

Of course you have to treat them humanly...and I believe we do, for the most part. There have been no reports of torture in Guantanamo besides this article (that I've seen at least), and I don't consider force feeding hunger strikers and solitary confinement torture...

Have you ever been shackled, forced to kneel, with a black hood on your head, unable to move at all, for hours at a time? Somehow I don't think so, with that attitude. You will know how excruciating it is if it ever does happen. Removal of your head would be a blessing, trust me.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

but they have to be treated according to human rights laws right?

edt. and you do have obligation to those people, they are under your custody, under your care, your responsibility

Of course you have to treat them humanly...and I believe we do, for the most part. There have been no reports of torture in Guantanamo besides this article (that I've seen at least), and I don't consider force feeding hunger strikers and solitary confinement torture...

Have you ever been shackled, forced to kneel, with a black hood on your head, unable to move at all, for hours at a time? Somehow I don't think so, with that attitude. You will know how excruciating it is if it ever does happen. Removal of your head would be a blessing, trust me.

So you have had this done to you?

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

Last I recall, officially, the War in Afghanistan and the War in Iraq have ended.

 

[mackle]

It's in Cuba, not in US so our laws are not with them.....UN had been an a$$ for a while now.

 

[Mickey Eye]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

Under the geneva convention eh?

The Geneva Convention specifically states "The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples." As being outlawed. So basically there you are wrong.

But that doesn't matter because the official US position is that they don't fall under the Geneva Convention, so it suprises me that you even bring it up.

It's a position that is actually supported by article 4 of the convention in that they neither have a "fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance" nor conduct "their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war".

However the articles do state very clearly that "Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal." So all the US needs to do is actually give them the trials. Oh and note the highlighted, so no torture allowed thank you very much.

There are plenty of other parts of the convention that you might find interesting, since you think they are under it's protection. How about Article 25, that basically says their accomadation should be of a similar standard to the troops holding them. I'd love to see the looks on the marines faces when they see their new rooms. Very airy.

I could go on but it's a big document, you can read it here if you want. If you're going to try invoking its name you should atleast know what it says.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

how do you know they are fanatical idiots and all that, only 10 have been charged, hundreds have been released after being locked up for years and hundreds are still locked up. How can you really be sure?

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of them are guilty of being insurgents or terrorists...

you betting on it just isnt good enough for the rest of the world I'm afraid

We have no obligation to try these people, they are classified as enemy combatants and under the geneva convention they can be held until the end of the war...

but they have to be treated according to human rights laws right?

edt. and you do have obligation to those people, they are under your custody, under your care, your responsibility

Of course you have to treat them humanly...and I believe we do, for the most part. There have been no reports of torture in Guantanamo besides this article (that I've seen at least), and I don't consider force feeding hunger strikers and solitary confinement torture...

Have you ever been shackled, forced to kneel, with a black hood on your head, unable to move at all, for hours at a time? Somehow I don't think so, with that attitude. You will know how excruciating it is if it ever does happen. Removal of your head would be a blessing, trust me.

Making someone kneel with a hood over their head isn't torture...

 

[Czar]

ntdz,
is that all you see?

forgot to read for hours at a time? ok here is a famous "torture" methood, take a small stool, now sit on it for 5 hours (just because no one is forcing you, could be 10 hours or more), you are not allowed to move your legs, no stretching or anything, and for your own pleasure you can sit at the computer and browse anandtech while you are at it, remember, no movement for 5 hours

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

Says the kid who has never had a black hood on his head while shackled and forced to kneel while being denied any human contact other than his interrogators.
Big talk for you based on nothing but hot air. You have NO idea what you're talking about. And there is no proof these people are guilty or just victims of a sweep.

P.S.
You're a troll.

 

[flavio]

 

[flavio]

Bush is obviously into this whole torture thing or he wouldn't have added a provision to the McCain torture act that basically allows him to torture anytime he wants as long as he shouts "terrorism".

Is torture ever allowed?

No, under international and U.S. law. "It is absolutely prohibited and cannot be justified under any circumstances," according to a summary of existing law on the subject by the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

Torture is banned by many conventions and treaties. In international law they include:

*

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948 by the U.N. General Assembly. It states, "No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment."
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The 1949 Geneva Conventions, which lay out the humanitarian laws of war and occupation. Torture is considered a "grave breach" of the convention and, therefore, a war crime.
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The 1984 Convention Against Torture, which states that "no exceptional circumstances, such as a state of war, threat of war, internal political instability, or any other public emergency may be invoked as a justification for torture." Further, it makes a torturer responsible for his actions even if he was ordered to commit the crime. In addition, this convention makes torture a crime of "universal jurisdiction"--any country can prosecute torture that took place anywhere in the world, regardless of whether its citizens were involved.
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A variety of international declarations governing the proper treatment of detainees including: the 1955 Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners, the 1979 Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials, and the 1990 Basic Principles for the Treatment of Prisoners.


What documents ban torture in U.S. law?

They include:

* The U.S. Constitution, which prohibits "cruel and unusual punishment."
* The Uniform Military Code of Justice, which applies to U.S. military personnel and bans cruelty toward, or oppression or maltreatment of, any person subject to a soldier's orders.
* U.S. federal law, particularly U.S. Code 18, section 2340, which states that torture carries a sentence of up to 20 years, or, if the victim dies, life in prison or the death penalty. This section incorporates the 1984 Torture Convention into U.S. law with some changes.
* The 1996 War Crimes Act makes torture and other grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions war crimes punishable by life in prison or the death penalty. It also broadens the definition of a war crime beyond what is mandated in international law. Under this act, for example, lesser violations of the Geneva Convention--for example, "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment" banned in common Article 3--can be prosecuted as war crimes.
Source

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Czar
anyone surprised?

and ntzd they talked to inmates lawyers, former inmates and families of relatives, do you know why? because the US wouldnt let the UN talk to the prisoners inside alone. Got something to hide?

From a biased, bullshit agenda, sure. It could be clean as a whistle and those asshats might still find something.


Ooooh force feeding to keep them from starving themselve to death... call the ****** waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance there's a crybaby having a hissy fit

then tell me, how could they have done this investigation?

oh and ever think further than one step back? think about why they are having a hunger strike?

Because they are fanatical idiots willing to sacrafice themselves for the good of nothing.

Says the kid who has never had a black hood on his head while shackled and forced to kneel while being denied any human contact other than his interrogators.
Big talk for you based on nothing but hot air. You have NO idea what you're talking about. And there is no proof these people are guilty or just victims of a sweep.

P.S.
You're a troll.

And you have been "tortured" in this way? Please, go look up the definition of torture...you aren't going to to find putting a hood on your head is torture.

P.S.
You have no idea what goes in in gitmo so you can't comment on what does and doesn't go on there...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ntdz
...
P.S.
You have no idea what goes in in gitmo so you can't comment on what does and doesn't go on there...

Psst...that's not always a good thing. Certainly the government needs to keep some things secret, but it DOES make it easier to do bad things, right?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Czar
ntdz,
is that all you see?

forgot to read for hours at a time? ok here is a famous "torture" methood, take a small stool, now sit on it for 5 hours (just because no one is forcing you, could be 10 hours or more), you are not allowed to move your legs, no stretching or anything, and for your own pleasure you can sit at the computer and browse anandtech while you are at it, remember, no movement for 5 hours

did you try this?