U.S. declares insurgency 'broken'

[Infohawk]

The top Marine officer in Iraq declared yesterday that victory in the battle of Fallujah has "broken the back" of the Iraqi insurgency, while another commander in the war on terror said Osama bin Laden is all but cut off from his terrorist operatives.

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So can we start the VJ-Day type celebrations yet? :beer: Guys? Guys, are you there?

 

[polm]

Mission Accopmlished

 

[jlmadyson]

:thumbsup:

 

[PatboyX]

are we closer now to being done?

 

[smashp]

victory can be declared whenever one wishes when the objective isnt clear.

 

[conjur]

Oh?


US intelligence issue pessimistic report on Fallujah offensive
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...ja_report_041118102945

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Marine intelligence officials have issued a report warning that any significant withdrawal of troops from the Iraqi city of Fallujah would strengthen the insurgency.

The assessment, distributed to senior Marine and Army officers in Iraq (news - web sites), also said that despite the heavy fighting with coalition forces, the insurgents would continue to increase in number, carrying out attacks and fomenting unrest in the area.

One officer said the seven-page classified report -- parts of which were provided to Thursday's edition of The New York Times -- was "brutally honest" and appears to contradict the US government's victorious account of the US-led fight against insurgents in Fallujah and other parts of northern Iraq.

Although the resistance crumbled in the face of the offensive, the report warned, "the enemy will be able to effectively defeat I MEF's ability to accomplish its primary objectives of developing an effective Iraqi security force and setting the conditions for successful Iraqi elections."

The pessimistic analysis was prepared by intelligence officers in the First Marine Expeditionary Force, or I MEF, last weekend as the offensive in Falluja was winding down.

Senior military officials in Iraq and Washington disputed the findings of the report, describing it as a subjective judgement of some Marines that did not reflect the views of all intelligence officials and commanders in Iraq.

"The assessment of the enemy is a worst-case assessment," Brigadier General John DeFreitas, the senior military intelligence officer in Iraq, said of the Marine report in a telephone interview with The New York Times.

The general insisted that there were no plans to withdraw forces from Fallujah.

"We have no intention of creating a vacuum and walking away from Fallujah," he told the broadsheet.

 

[jlmadyson]

USA Today

Insurgency's back has been broken, U.S. general says
From wire reports

BAGHDAD ? A U.S. general said Thursday that he was confident the operation to defeat militants in Fallujah had dealt a crippling blow to the insurgency in Iraq.

?We feel right now that we have, as I mentioned, broken the back of the insurgency. We've taken away this safe haven,? said Lt. Gen. John Sattler, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. Sattler spoke to reporters at a U.S. military base outside Fallujah, about 40 miles west of Baghdad.

The general added that insurgents had scattered elsewhere in Iraq, where they lacked the resources that were available in their former stronghold.

Sattler also said the U.S. casualty toll in the Fallujah offensive stood at 51 dead and about 425 wounded. U.S. Central Command estimated that about 1,200 insurgents have been killed and about 1,025 enemy fighters detained. It said it has received no confirmed reports of deaths of innocent civilians.

U.S. and Iraqi authorities launched the Fallujah operation as part of a campaign to restore order so national elections can be held in January. In a statement Thursday on the Internet, terrorist group Ansar al-Sunnah Army threatened to attack polling stations and assassinate candidates because democracy is an ?infidel? institution.

 

[conjur]

Sattler is delusional.

 

[phillyTIM]

Yeah..."Mission Accomplished" alright...just like May 2003, eh, Bush-lovers?

Nobody is holding their breath, anymore.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Sattler is delusional.

I'm glad you can second-guess a general who is in Iraq. You must be more well-connected than I thought.

 

[namike]

Nah, its easy for someone to 2nd guess a multi star general, hell what do general with rows of stars on their neck know anyways, pfft... those bumbling fools.......surely they don't have the slightest clue on how to run a war and combat techniques.

Glad we got arm-chair internet 5-star generals here. GO LONG!!!!

 

[JackStorm]

Sattler also said the U.S. casualty toll in the Fallujah offensive stood at 51 dead and about 425 wounded. U.S. Central Command estimated that about 1,200 insurgents have been killed and about 1,025 enemy fighters detained. It said it has received no confirmed reports of deaths of innocent civilians.

How convenient that they should have the numbers for the insurgents that are dead but not civilians.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Sattler is delusional.

I'm glad you can second-guess a general who is in Iraq. You must be more well-connected than I thought.

Stop giving cookies to everyone you disagree with.

How dare anyone doubt a general. I mean what if someone had questioned our commander-in-chief's determination that there was mission accomplished three months into the quagmire?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Stop giving cookies to everyone you disagree with.

How dare anyone doubt a general. I mean what if someone had questioned our commander-in-chief's determination that there was mission accomplished three months into the quagmire?

You're free to disagree with a general. However, when you disagree with a general who is the commander in the relevant theater of operation when you have absolutely no first-hand knowledge of the situation at hand, you're an idiot. You're equally an idiot if you repeatedly spout out the rhetoric about mission accomplished. You obviously are ignorant of the necessity of declaring an end to major conflict for the inclusion of non-military personnel.

 

[namike]

Whether you like the war or not. I think the general's in this war are doing the ABSOLUTE BEST job possible given the circumstances they have been delt. It's their job to execute this war; RIGHT OR WRONG is irrelavent. To bash a general thats doing a fine job to the best of his ability is ridiculous. Sounds like you just disagree with the war (in general) and that probally stems from a disaproval of The President, which you are intitled to do. But the general is a seperate issue, unfortunately alot of what we see in the news is linked back to the president, a scapegot who has to "take the blame" for what some media posts, citizens and other's see as "wrong" or a "screw up," but those All wars have a scapegot, for someone has to take ultimate responsibility (not blame) for a war.

To me, it does seem the General tone of "anti-war" is now dying down, since John Kerry is no longer on the attack about the war and the election race is over and done. I hope this continues to die down, so the Military can get alot of support back behind it. For i don't see the media continuing to pound on the "stupid war" for much longer, its already died down since the anti-war tone didn't win Kerry the election.

From me,
Live from Downtown Kuwait City, Kuwait. (where I as a American is accepted by the people here, and see no "proclaimed" hatred towards me from those surrounding me, or any "un-just" causes for the War in Iraq from those whom are around me)

 

[Infohawk]

What it all this garbage about attacking the general? People are only attacking his laughable claim that the insurgency is broken. If you really really think the insurgency is broken, congrats, we have won the war in Iraq. There will be more attacks and insurgency next week regardless of this absurd claim.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What it all this garbage about attacking the general? People are only attacking his laughable claim that the insurgency is broken. If you really really think the insurgency is broken, congrats, we have won the war in Iraq. There will be more attacks and insurgency next week regardless of this absurd claim.

I missed the part where he said there would be no more attacks and that the insurgency would just disappear. Nice strawman though.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What it all this garbage about attacking the general? People are only attacking his laughable claim that the insurgency is broken. If you really really think the insurgency is broken, congrats, we have won the war in Iraq. There will be more attacks and insurgency next week regardless of this absurd claim.

I missed the part where he said there would be no more attacks and that the insurgency would just disappear. Nice strawman though.

What else does breaking the back of something mean? I'm sorry but if something's back is broken they are kaput...

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Sattler is delusional.

I'm glad you can second-guess a general who is in Iraq. You must be more well-connected than I thought.

Stop being a Bush-whore.

Tell me, honestly, do you think the insurgency is defeated?

 

[OffTopic1]

It is uncurtain that the war is over with the control of Falluja at the moment.

U.S. wins Falluja but struggles elsewhere

"The victory in Falluja has highlighted the bankruptcy of the military strategy," Dodge said.

"The fight against insurgency is 90 percent political and no one in the Pentagon is listening."


US battle plans begin to unravel

 

[Steeplerot]

Broken as far as ever having a chance at peace with Americans for a generation or two.

 

[chipmonk]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Sattler is delusional.

I'm glad you can second-guess a general who is in Iraq. You must be more well-connected than I thought.

Stop being a Bush-whore.

Tell me, honestly, do you think the insurgency is defeated?

henestly to say insurgency will nerver defeate (history tell us)
it may slow down today but not tomorow

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: chipmonk

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Sattler is delusional.

I'm glad you can second-guess a general who is in Iraq. You must be more well-connected than I thought.

Stop being a Bush-whore.

Tell me, honestly, do you think the insurgency is defeated?

henestly to say insurgency will nerver defeate (history tell us)
it may slow down today but not tomorow

And the Bushies keep ignoring this:

US intelligence issue pessimistic report on Fallujah offensive
http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne...ja_report_041118102945

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Marine intelligence officials have issued a report warning that any significant withdrawal of troops from the Iraqi city of Fallujah would strengthen the insurgency.

The assessment, distributed to senior Marine and Army officers in Iraq (news - web sites), also said that despite the heavy fighting with coalition forces, the insurgents would continue to increase in number, carrying out attacks and fomenting unrest in the area.

One officer said the seven-page classified report -- parts of which were provided to Thursday's edition of The New York Times -- was "brutally honest" and appears to contradict the US government's victorious account of the US-led fight against insurgents in Fallujah and other parts of northern Iraq.

 

[dahunan]

Gee.. how big is Fallujah?

Fallujah is a tiny battle in this GIANT MESS

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Gee.. how big is Fallujah?

Fallujah is a tiny battle in this GIANT MESS

...but the general said the Iraqi insurgency had it's back broken. So it sounds like he thinks they're broken and we can clean them up quickly and declare "mission accomplished"... again... And remember citizens are not allowed to question generals who are on the ground.