U.S Military Humvee driving in Iraq

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No wonder we won the hearts and souls of the Germans and Japanese...our soldiers then were gentlemen not jerks!

No, we had just literally pounded the civilian populations into dust and total submission for 4 long years. Barely left a city standing and every man of fighting age was dead, or a POW along with half the women and children dead.

That's why we haven't won a war since WWII. The collateral you protect from damage today is the little sh!t bombing your vehicle tomorrow.

That's because then we were fighting nationalistic, huge, organized armies. There were lines of battle, strategic positions, etc. Now it's a guerrilla insurgency where the guy you gave some gum to earlier is planting an IED later that day.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think they were more afraid of getting shot?
Maybe their humvees had no armor (or did the U.S fix that problem?)

Kind of, but it made its own problems. They're too slow now, so the Pentagon is going to bring back WWII era design jeeps, smaller, lighter, faster, with a gatling or m240 or SRAW missile mounted on the back. Its a 3 seater.
So, the result will be that these jeeps won't really have to bump the cars, they'll be more maneuverable.

Are you kidding?

He may be, or is simply uninformed. The US armed forces are getting new MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles that far exceed the safety protection of the Humvee. The Cheetah could very well be the vehicle to replace most of the current Humvees.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: everman
Los Angeles?

Blasphemy! It's even worse there!

<-- lives in LA

 

[DanDrop]

With constant threats of ambush, IED, RPG, I'd drive the same way too. In war, it's either your ass or theirs, which one would you pick?

 

[voodoochylde]

OMG I wanna drive my Scoobaru like that. Once I add some armor in the form of HUGE tubular bumpers evil:

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: DanDrop
With constant threats of ambush, IED, RPG, I'd drive the same way too. In war, it's either your ass or theirs, which one would you pick?

I don't support the war at all and am very against the current administration and that joke of a president, but I fully agree with this.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: SonnyDaze
Wow. You're just not seeing the picture are you? I guess you think the driving has more to do with the courtesy and the American image than with staying alive?

Yeah, I agree, this isn't all about making a public image, the morons who are against us will still be against us, and those with us, will still be with us, unless we really screw it up.
The Iraqis for the majority hate the terrorists dominating them, more than they'd start to loathe us. Only the media in general doesn't really want you to think so. Realize that CNN and MSNBC and the like are controlled by corporations--each with its own agendas, but no corporation likes Republicans...think about it. Republicans are for small but many independent businesses. The democrats want large but few corporations so they can tax the hell out of them, and those corporations can still survive.
Corporations want high business taxes so they can pay off their taxes, while small potential threats to their business will die off.
Hopefully that might have provided some new insight into the media and corporations and both political parties.

Wow.

*Sigh*

The media has, and always will be in some way, bias. That's why we have multiple media sources to choose from. So, with all due respect, STFU and start listening to both sides as opposed to b!tching about how "liberal" the media is. If it's liberal today, and Hillary Clinton got elected (*shudder*) and fvcked up in 2008, I can guarantee it would be Conservative.

For the record: It's still too early to tell, but as far as my pre-presidential research goes, Obama FTW! Hell I have relatives in Conservative Rural NC who said they'd vote for him.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No wonder we won the hearts and souls of the Germans and Japanese...our soldiers then were gentlemen not jerks!

No, we had just literally pounded the civilian populations into dust and total submission for 4 long years. Barely left a city standing and every man of fighting age was dead, or a POW along with half the women and children dead.

That's why we haven't won a war since WWII. The collateral you protect from damage today is the little sh!t bombing your vehicle tomorrow.

I suppose this means you think we should go back to bombing civilians?

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: mrjminer
If you guys didn't notice, about 75% of the vehicles got out of their way without being bumped. I'd guess there is some kind of rule or ordinance in place that requires the citizens to move out of the way of US military vehicles.

Yeah... it's called common sense.

 

[Q]

LOL, he bumps little cars and the people just keep driving like nothing happened

 

[Dritnul]

Derek says:
actually we gave them warning shots but these guys are in a crowded environment
Derek says:
so the have to play BUMP N GRIND

quoted from a friend who spent a year in iraq

 

[SonnyDaze]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
What do you expect?

Bunch of high school failures has no where to go in life and got recruited by the military, not exactly the cream of the crop of American citizens.

But most of them have at least a 10th grade reading level and can put together a fvcking sentence. :roll:

I'm proud to say I gave 20 years of my life to my country so little fvcking cvnts like you could stay home and enjoy your freedom of speech.

Oh and I did graduate hi skool.

 

[Gillbot]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No wonder we won the hearts and souls of the Germans and Japanese...our soldiers then were gentlemen not jerks!

I wouldn't say these guys were jerks. Back in those days, I'd imagine it was less likely for soldiers to be driving through city streets and suddenly, along with who knows how many Iraqi civilians, be hit by a roadside bomb or rpg.

True...I suppose IEDs weren't everywhere in the 1940s.

Still, if we want them to like us...driving like that won't do the trick...

I'd rather piss off everyone and stay alive myself IMHO.

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: SonnyDaze

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
What do you expect?

Bunch of high school failures has no where to go in life and got recruited by the military, not exactly the cream of the crop of American citizens.

But most of them have at least a 10th grade reading level and can put together a fvcking sentence. :roll:

I'm proud to say I gave 20 years of my life to my country so little fvcking cvnts like you could stay home and enjoy your freedom of speech.

Oh and I did graduate hi skool.

Lol. I'm in college and can't wait till I finish so I can join up. Doubt many are the 'failures' you think they are.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
What do you expect?

Bunch of high school failures has no where to go in life and got recruited by the military, not exactly the cream of the crop of American citizens.

I'm sure we're not all as bad as you think. I've met at least one or two soldiers who have a high school diploma...

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No wonder we won the hearts and souls of the Germans and Japanese...our soldiers then were gentlemen not jerks!

I wouldn't say these guys were jerks. Back in those days, I'd imagine it was less likely for soldiers to be driving through city streets and suddenly, along with who knows how many Iraqi civilians, be hit by a roadside bomb or rpg.

True...I suppose IEDs weren't everywhere in the 1940s.

Still, if we want them to like us...driving like that won't do the trick...

They're never going to like us. I'd rather see them driving like that and make it back...

 

[glutenberg]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No wonder we won the hearts and souls of the Germans and Japanese...our soldiers then were gentlemen not jerks!

No, we had just literally pounded the civilian populations into dust and total submission for 4 long years. Barely left a city standing and every man of fighting age was dead, or a POW along with half the women and children dead.

That's why we haven't won a war since WWII. The collateral you protect from damage today is the little sh!t bombing your vehicle tomorrow.

I suppose this means you think we should go back to bombing civilians?

I think we've only stopped that policy on paper not in action. Most civilian casualties are written off as accidents.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No wonder we won the hearts and souls of the Germans and Japanese...our soldiers then were gentlemen not jerks!

I wouldn't say these guys were jerks. Back in those days, I'd imagine it was less likely for soldiers to be driving through city streets and suddenly, along with who knows how many Iraqi civilians, be hit by a roadside bomb or rpg.

True...I suppose IEDs weren't everywhere in the 1940s.

Still, if we want them to like us...driving like that won't do the trick...

They're never going to like us. I'd rather see them driving like that and make it back...

That's how I ended the movie feeling.

 

[50cent1228]

Originally posted by: JRich

Originally posted by: SSSnail
AMERICA, FVCK YEAH!!!!

:thumbsup:

double fvck yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
No wonder we won the hearts and souls of the Germans and Japanese...our soldiers then were gentlemen not jerks!

I wouldn't say these guys were jerks. Back in those days, I'd imagine it was less likely for soldiers to be driving through city streets and suddenly, along with who knows how many Iraqi civilians, be hit by a roadside bomb or rpg.

True...I suppose IEDs weren't everywhere in the 1940s.

Still, if we want them to like us...driving like that won't do the trick...

They're never going to like us. I'd rather see them driving like that and make it back...

That's how I ended the movie feeling.

Or maybe we should just bring em back... if they piss off all of iraq by just trying to survive, maybe that's a hint as to what we should do...

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think they were more afraid of getting shot?
Maybe their humvees had no armor (or did the U.S fix that problem?)

Kind of, but it made its own problems. They're too slow now, so the Pentagon is going to bring back WWII era design jeeps, smaller, lighter, faster, with a gatling or m240 or SRAW missile mounted on the back. Its a 3 seater.
So, the result will be that these jeeps won't really have to bump the cars, they'll be more maneuverable.

Are you kidding?

He may be, or is simply uninformed. The US armed forces are getting new MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles that far exceed the safety protection of the Humvee. The Cheetah could very well be the vehicle to replace most of the current Humvees.

No, I am not kidding or uninformed. The humvees right now are getting blown up because they're slow, I've talked to several marines about this. I've also talked to a docent and ex-marine who drove jeeps in 'nam and his father drove jeeps in WW2. I have also read in the military mag that they're considering bringing back WW2 design jeeps because they're lighter and faster. They're also able to carry a crew of three and a Gatling gun or an m240, or a rocket launcher. So this thing will be faster and speed past IEDs.
The Armor on Humvees isn't sufficient. It merely creates more shrapnel. Many Marines I have talked to testify to this. The Humvees are basically used as APCs, only much weaker. I know about this new vehicle you're talking about, that'll replace the Humvees patrol, the jeep will replace light assault and tactical recon.
So take your condescending attitude and shove it up your arse.

 

[thescreensavers]

omfg what happened after the POS car went infront of it at the end

 

[91TTZ]

Instead of smaller vehicles, I think they need larger vehicles.

When your enemy is an opposing nation, huge, slow vehicles are sitting ducks to airstrikes from jets and helicopters. But when your enemy is a band of thugs that hit you with whatever guns and bombs they can get their hands on (but don't have large weaponry like jets or attack helicopters), having a large, impenetrable vehicle would be an advantage over a smaller vehicle like a Jeep or a Humvee that can be destroyed with a simple armor piercing round or a roadside bomb.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think they were more afraid of getting shot?
Maybe their humvees had no armor (or did the U.S fix that problem?)

Kind of, but it made its own problems. They're too slow now, so the Pentagon is going to bring back WWII era design jeeps, smaller, lighter, faster, with a gatling or m240 or SRAW missile mounted on the back. Its a 3 seater.
So, the result will be that these jeeps won't really have to bump the cars, they'll be more maneuverable.

Are you kidding?

He may be, or is simply uninformed. The US armed forces are getting new MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles that far exceed the safety protection of the Humvee. The Cheetah could very well be the vehicle to replace most of the current Humvees.

No, I am not kidding or uninformed. The humvees right now are getting blown up because they're slow, I've talked to several marines about this. I've also talked to a docent and ex-marine who drove jeeps in 'nam and his father drove jeeps in WW2. I have also read in the military mag that they're considering bringing back WW2 design jeeps because they're lighter and faster. They're also able to carry a crew of three and a Gatling gun or an m240, or a rocket launcher. So this thing will be faster and speed past IEDs.
The Armor on Humvees isn't sufficient. It merely creates more shrapnel. Many Marines I have talked to testify to this. The Humvees are basically used as APCs, only much weaker. I know about this new vehicle you're talking about, that'll replace the Humvees patrol, the jeep will replace light assault and tactical recon.
So take your condescending attitude and shove it up your arse.

Man, you've said a lot of things in this thread, but the only facts you have to back up any statement you've made is that you've talked to people. Come on now, who is really going to believe that? Plus your "everyone hates Republicans" comment is just absurd.

If you don't want people to treat you like a fool, stop acting like one.

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: AnonymouseUser

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Aimster
I think they were more afraid of getting shot?
Maybe their humvees had no armor (or did the U.S fix that problem?)

Kind of, but it made its own problems. They're too slow now, so the Pentagon is going to bring back WWII era design jeeps, smaller, lighter, faster, with a gatling or m240 or SRAW missile mounted on the back. Its a 3 seater.
So, the result will be that these jeeps won't really have to bump the cars, they'll be more maneuverable.

Are you kidding?

He may be, or is simply uninformed. The US armed forces are getting new MRAP (Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles that far exceed the safety protection of the Humvee. The Cheetah could very well be the vehicle to replace most of the current Humvees.

No, I am not kidding or uninformed. The humvees right now are getting blown up because they're slow, I've talked to several marines about this. I've also talked to a docent and ex-marine who drove jeeps in 'nam and his father drove jeeps in WW2. I have also read in the military mag that they're considering bringing back WW2 design jeeps because they're lighter and faster. They're also able to carry a crew of three and a Gatling gun or an m240, or a rocket launcher. So this thing will be faster and speed past IEDs.
The Armor on Humvees isn't sufficient. It merely creates more shrapnel. Many Marines I have talked to testify to this. The Humvees are basically used as APCs, only much weaker. I know about this new vehicle you're talking about, that'll replace the Humvees patrol, the jeep will replace light assault and tactical recon.
So take your condescending attitude and shove it up your arse.

Obvious Flaws:

1. Lets say theres a car in front of the jeep on a crowded road. The insurgents obviously don't care about killing iraquis. Lets see if that jeep can move faster than an explosion. Also, most IEDs are hand triggered. Anyone with decent reflexes could set one off and lead the jeep.

2. Jeeps, as I know them are vulnerable to light arms fire, which can hit with more precision than an IED and from longer range.

Bottom line: For tactical RECON, sure, but I don't see them assaulting anything without the crew being shot up. You need something that's bulletproof AT THE LEAST. I can see the humvee for light assault far better than I could see the jeep.
THIS is going to replace the Hummer?