What the fuck does being nice and compassionate have to do with anything? Are you assuming that lifting the transgender ban will fill the ranks with less than capable recruits? Lifting the ban shouldn't and wouldn't lower the recruitment standards one bit. We're not talking about filling the ranks with drag queens, if that's what you are worried about.Yes sir
yes mam
yes cousin it!
Having served in the Military this seems a little confusing. Not much time for being nice and compassionate in the military.
What the fuck does being nice and compassionate have to do with anything? Are you assuming that lifting the transgender ban will fill the ranks with less than capable recruits? Lifting the ban shouldn't and wouldn't lower the recruitment standards one bit. We're not talking about filling the ranks with drag queens, if that's what you are worried about.
Regarding cost
"Out of an over $6 billion health budget for active duty members it's estimated that the cost for military trans health care is $8.4 million"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/26/trans-health-cost-us-military-budget-pentagon
Regarding numbers, hard to say:
"There is no official data to rely on, but the most recent research available estimates there are no more than 10,790 transgender individuals on active duty or in reserve forces."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40950946
If $8.4M isn't that much money, you pay for it. Glad people are so cavalier with others' money.
I don't see anything wrong with covering cost such as continuing hormone therapy or counseling for transgendered service members provided they had finished their transformation prior to enlistment. It's a relatively tiny, reasonable health care expense that is similar to that of a soldier who might need an inhaler for asthma or epipen for an allergy.
That doesn't mean that we allow currently serving service members to start and finish their transformation while remaining on duty and have it paid for by the taxpayer. I doubt a sincere transgendered person would even be crazy enough to want the VA to facilitate the change.
If $8.4M isn't that much money, you pay for it. Glad people are so cavalier with others' money.
I don't think you realize exactly how the military works. You can't have asthma or allergies and be able to serve. If you need an inhaler or an epipen you are disqualified from serving. Even if you make it pass the beginning of shit somehow, you will be medically discharged in basic. It literally just happened to one of my really good friends.
If $8.4M isn't that much money, you pay for it. Glad people are so cavalier with others' money.
Military to Trump: Fuck you Orange Boy"After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you"
donald trump - 7/26/17
bwahahahahahahahahaha
commander in chief my ass.
If $8.4M isn't that much money, you pay for it. Glad people are so cavalier with others' money.
One of the major draws to military service has always been healthcare.My understanding is it's not an automatic discharge any longer pending the job of the servicewoman. I suspect the Navy has far less leniency with their shipboard personal than other branches do. Many in command still view it as malingering if it interferes with a deployment.
Nope. Life isn't fair and you can't have everything. If you are currently serving you should finish with your commitment before leaving the service to have your reassignment. If after your life is settled you want to apply for reenlistment then go ahead. Expecting the taxpayers to foot the bill for anything more than maintenance health care for a transgenders is wrong, IMHO.
Serving in the military isn't a right, and having a taxpayer funded reassignment definitely isn't. What transgendered absolutely do deserve is the right to be deemed eligible for service according to the same criteria as non-transgendered individuals.
What the fuck does being nice and compassionate have to do with anything? Are you assuming that lifting the transgender ban will fill the ranks with less than capable recruits? Lifting the ban shouldn't and wouldn't lower the recruitment standards one bit. We're not talking about filling the ranks with drag queens, if that's what you are worried about.
Seems reasonable, when I joined the AF, the minimum enlistment for the same job (satellite/wideband comm) in the Army was 6 years (the training period was 9 months) versus the standard 2 years for Army at the time. No reason they couldn't do a similar thing, especially if you need to be put on an administrative job during recovery.What about an extended commitment if reassignment is elected?
Guess times have changed, when I was in the military, we were expected to be respectable members of society, which generally includes being nice and compassionate.Yes sir
yes mam
yes cousin it!
Having served in the Military this seems a little confusing. Not much time for being nice and compassionate in the military.
If $8.4M isn't that much money, you pay for it. Glad people are so cavalier with others' money.
Cost of single Trump golf trip. Clearly govt doesn't consider it muchIf $8.4M isn't that much money, you pay for it. Glad people are so cavalier with others' money.
If $8.4M isn't that much money, you pay for it. Glad people are so cavalier with others' money.
The memorandum, which drew swift condemnation from gender rights groups, states that while the secretary of defense and other executive branch officials will have some latitude in implementing the policy, “persons with a history or diagnosis of gender dysphoria — including individuals who the policies state may require substantial medical treatment, including medications and surgery — are disqualified from military service except under limited circumstances.”
The memo also said that Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, “in the exercise of his independent judgment, has concluded [the policies] should be adopted by the Department of Defense.” It added that “the Secretary of Homeland Security concurs with these policies with respect to the U.S. Coast Guard,” which would also be affected by the policy.
Fuckers are moving ahead with trying to ban transgender personnel.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/23/trump-transgender-troops-ban-483434
As far as cost goes, does anyone have any stats on the percentage of transgender people in the population or the cost of the surgery? I can't imagine there'd be that many people joining up and having the surgery, but that's just a guess on my part. That surgery has to be as invasive as it gets, so I'd guess anyone who opted for it would be pretty damned serious about it.
As far as letting them in, I'm all about recruiting the best and brightest for every position, so I say let's let them in.
Well yeah but... ewww amiright?I'm guessing it would cost less than a single weekend of Hair Fuhrer's golfing, to cover the surgeries for all and future transitioning soldiers, combined.