U.S. military to accept transgender recruits on Monday: Pentagon

[zerocool84]

Oh, you think liberals are dirty?

I think liberals should serve in the military.

Hell I think all healthy qualified individuals should serve the military. Maybe we would have less snowflakes to deal with.

You are correct on that, too many Republican snowflakes that act like they care about military but only when it furthers their agenda. It would be nice for Republicans to actually care about veterans for once.

 

[pcgeek11]

And neither do yours. Which, in this case, your opinion on the matter is all about your bad feels for icky transgendered people and thuis supporting an arbitrary ban on all, rather than a more rational case by case basis.

Why is projection such a big thing among the right-wing these days?

I stated my feelings on the matter above which you apparently did not read:

In my opinion they could be allowed to serve as long as they do not require any special treatment ( hormones, surgery etc... ), And their "condition" does not impact or prevent them from performing their job.

And as soon as it does, out they go.

Just the same as many medical conditions, have a look at the extensive list linked above.

The standing rules currently ( even before Trump ) allow the TG's to be refused from military service at the opinion of the examining medical officer.

 

[pcgeek11]

Actually, it can.

OK...

 

[pcgeek11]

You are correct on that, too many Republican snowflakes that act like they care about military but only when it furthers their agenda. It would be nice for Republicans to actually care about veterans for once.

And Democrat...

 

[Chaotic42]

Seriously, the link alone would suffice.

And the military has accepted people that I know who should've been dq'd based in that list. It's a joke if you think they dig through that list everytime.

It's anecdotal, but I got rejected in MEPS because I squatted strangely. They sent me to a doctor who said I was fine, but I was going to have to process out later. I told my recruiter I was pissed off (I was 17 and was dead set on joining up). She wrote down that I was "depressed about being delayed". I was instantly blackballed. I tried again in 2001, 2003, and 2004. At the end I asked a Marine recruiter if he could give me a rifle and send me to Iraq. He told me not to waste any more of his time.

So it seems to vary.

 

[pauldun170]

I'm not a big fan of having gender specific requirements for duty. Woman can and should meet the mens standard.
Having said that, anyone who meets the physical requirements of their stated gender should be allowed to serve. If it is clear that medical care is immediately required, they should be excluded. I feel the same way for asthma and do not agree with the changes they made a few years back as they got desperate for bodies to throw at the middle east.
Since they ARE desperate for folks to play world police and have relaxed the standards, then I'd be fine if the policy is "we don't care what gender you declare, as long as we don't have cover transition costs just so you make it past training". Having a review\waiver process to assess candidates and there medical needs prior to signing contracts is reasonable.
Work that stuff out before you join. Once you have a few years under your belt, then covering stuff is fine.

 

[pauldun170]

You are correct on that, too many Republican snowflakes that act like they care about military but only when it furthers their agenda. It would be nice for Republicans to actually care about veterans for once.

Republicans love veterans. That's why they are big fan of wars.
Creates jobs for veterans and it gives them a chance to celebrate lots of people on memorial day.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/23/politics/transgender-white-house/index.html
"(CNN)The White House on Friday announced a policy to ban most transgender people from serving in the US military.

Following a Pentagon policy review after a tweet by President Donald Trumplast year, the White House said the policy will say "transgender persons with a history or diagnosis of gender dysphoria -- individuals who the policies state may require substantial medical treatment, including medications and surgery -- are disqualified from military service except under certain limited circumstances."



The numbers I heard cited (can't find the link) was that there were about 5,000 transgender soldiers in our present military.

 

[OutHouse]

You are correct on that, too many Republican snowflakes that act like they care about military but only when it furthers their agenda. It would be nice for Republicans to actually care about veterans for once.

yea! nevermind the Democrats shutting down the latest VA reforms.
https://www.militarytimes.com/veter...reform-bills-this-week-now-that-plan-is-dead/

 

[UberNeuman]

yea! nevermind the Democrats shutting down the latest VA reforms.
https://www.militarytimes.com/veter...reform-bills-this-week-now-that-plan-is-dead/

RIF. Something your type is seemly unable to grasp. lol.

 

[zerocool84]

yea! nevermind the Democrats shutting down the latest VA reforms.
https://www.militarytimes.com/veter...reform-bills-this-week-now-that-plan-is-dead/

Yes because Republicans never constantly repeat how much they and only they care about military and veterans yet never actually show they do. Just like they keep saying they are the "moral majority" but always show they are anything but.

 

[zinfamous]

I'll have to get off your lawn first.

I left you a fresh set of tennis balls so you can chase me off faster.

 

[zinfamous]

Good for them. Taxpayers should not pay for any of those surgeries or hormones.

In my opinion they could be allowed to serve as long as they do not require any special treatment ( hormones, surgery etc... ), And their "condition" does not impact or prevent them from performing their job.

And as soon as it does, out they go.

well, define that, then.

I agree with you, but you can't just say the surgery, by value of what the surgery is, disqualifies them, if it doesn't disqualify every individual across the board.

Plenty of soldiers go through plenty of surgeries and continue to serve. Define how this one is an auto DQ. Do it.

All I've seen you do is quote vague assertions from the manual that offer exactly zero details as to the type or surgery and why--but rather clearly allows the decision to fall to, possibly, the physician and/or CO.

But your argument is weird, because it is vaguer than your understanding of the issue.

 

[OutHouse]

Yes because Republicans never constantly repeat how much they and only they care about military and veterans yet never actually show they do. Just like they keep saying they are the "moral majority" but always show they are anything but.

im sorry but what about the dems sutting down the VA reforms?

 

[pcgeek11]

well, define that, then.

I agree with you, but you can't just say the surgery, by value of what the surgery is, disqualifies them, if it doesn't disqualify every individual across the board.

Plenty of soldiers go through plenty of surgeries and continue to serve. Define how this one is an auto DQ. Do it.

All I've seen you do is quote vague assertions from the manual that offer exactly zero details as to the type or surgery and why--but rather clearly allows the decision to fall to, possibly, the physician and/or CO.

But your argument is weird, because it is vaguer than your understanding of the issue.

Why yes I can say that. And I did.

The surgery to transform a transgender persons appearance from a male to female and vice versa. Which is purely an elective surgery and will require extended downtime to recover from it.

 

[Stryke1983]

im sorry but what about the dems sutting down the VA reforms?

If you read it you'll see that part of the reason they stopped it was that it didn't actually do much. For example one program was authorized without any actual funding, meaning it was worse than useless. It seems like just another rushed bill that sounds great on paper but the Democrats would actually like some thought put into. Much like the majority of this current administration's bills. Rushed, no planning, no common sense.