U.S. Navy-China showdown: Chinese try to halt U.S. cruiser in international waters

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irishScott

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as far as carriers go, yes. they are more advanced in other areas though. aircraft, missiles, and cyberwarfare come to mind.

And where are you getting that information? I don't see any Chinese F-22s, cruise missiles or stuxnet variations.
 

Dari

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It would just make them spend a butt ton more on their military.

I'd rather everyone stopped waving their dicks at each other and tried to sort the problem out like adults.

It's the Chinese that are not acting like adults. Full of histrionics and arrogance, they are trying to bully everyone in that region. They need a good beating.
 

WelshBloke

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It's the Chinese that are not acting like adults. Full of histrionics and arrogance, they are trying to bully everyone in that region. They need a good beating.

Bollocks! There's full on dick waving on all sides there.
 

Agent11

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Don't you know that there is a huge double standard with what all other countries do and what we do? It's all about "American Exceptionalism". We hold ourselves as superior, well except for our kids' test scores, or our healthcare costs, or our CO2 emissions, or our surveillance morality, etc., etc., etc.

How about some evidence. I'm tired of people bad mouthing the USA, back it up.
 

irishScott

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How about some evidence. I'm tired of people bad mouthing the USA, back it up.

Haven't you heard? He read "Asian Juggernaut". Which is apparently a completely infallible text that utterly proves his points. He doesn't need to defend them, we just need to read the book.
 

irishScott

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Bollocks! There's full on dick waving on all sides there.

And yet China seems to be the only one playing chicken with other peoples' navies. If anyone's going to cause an international incident that ends in bloodshed, I can all but guarantee it'll be China.
 

WelshBloke

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And yet China seems to be the only one playing chicken with other peoples' navies. If anyone's going to cause an international incident that ends in bloodshed, I can all but guarantee it'll be China.

You can only play chicken with two participants.
 

WelshBloke

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Because the Royal Navy would stop and allow their mission in international waters to be dictated to them by any Chinese scow that happens upon them right?

You seem to be missing the point that the mission at hand was to approach a militarily sensitive vessel with a missile carrier.

I'm not seeing how the Chinese response is any different to what any other navy would do.

I'm sure if the Chinese approached a US carrier with a missile cruiser you wouldn't be going "But its in international waters, we should totally allow them to carry on with their mission unhindered".
 

irishScott

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You can only play chicken with two participants.

Perhaps "playing chicken" isn't entirely accurate. According to the article in the OP, they intentionally moved one of their transport ships to block the Cowpens's path, intentionally risking a collision.

If we were talking cars and a collision happened like that, the Chinese would be at fault in any court in any nation.
 

WelshBloke

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Perhaps "playing chicken" isn't entirely accurate. According to the article in the OP, they intentionally moved one of their transport ships to block the Cowpens's path, intentionally risking a collision.

If we were talking cars and a collision happened like that, the Chinese would be at fault in any court in any nation.

So what would you have done in their place? What would the US navy have done in reversed roles?
 

5150Joker

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China and India need clean water and plumbing for their populations before worrying about becoming world powers. This is especially true for India where it's like one filthy toilet per 100+ people.
 

rommelrommel

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as far as carriers go, yes. they are more advanced in other areas though. aircraft, missiles, and cyberwarfare come to mind.

More advanced in aircraft? That one is totally laughable. They can barely make a functioning turbofan engine for their fighters. Their avionics are a decade behind at least. They may have the shape of stealth pretty figured out but learning to actually manufacture coatings, materials, etc at a competitive level simply takes time and money. Even if you steal the formula you can't steal generational knowledge.

Same with carriers... even if they do manage to design a good operational carrier who are they going to staff it with? Guys that have umm, never worked on a carrier.

Missiles... well yes they have a lot of missiles. Most are short range. They have the ASBM's and such but most likely they would never work without nuclear warheads.

Cyberwarfare, who really knows? Hard to assess.
 

LegendKiller

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More advanced in aircraft? That one is totally laughable. They can barely make a functioning turbofan engine for their fighters. Their avionics are a decade behind at least. They may have the shape of stealth pretty figured out but learning to actually manufacture coatings, materials, etc at a competitive level simply takes time and money. Even if you steal the formula you can't steal generational knowledge.

Same with carriers... even if they do manage to design a good operational carrier who are they going to staff it with? Guys that have umm, never worked on a carrier.

Missiles... well yes they have a lot of missiles. Most are short range. They have the ASBM's and such but most likely they would never work without nuclear warheads.

Cyberwarfare, who really knows? Hard to assess.

This guy is nothing but a cheerleader for China. He buys everything they sell and then tries to peddle the shit on here.

I doubt he is "scandanavian".
 

norseamd

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More advanced in aircraft? That one is totally laughable. They can barely make a functioning turbofan engine for their fighters. Their avionics are a decade behind at least. They may have the shape of stealth pretty figured out but learning to actually manufacture coatings, materials, etc at a competitive level simply takes time and money. Even if you steal the formula you can't steal generational knowledge.

Same with carriers... even if they do manage to design a good operational carrier who are they going to staff it with? Guys that have umm, never worked on a carrier.

Missiles... well yes they have a lot of missiles. Most are short range. They have the ASBM's and such but most likely they would never work without nuclear warheads.

Cyberwarfare, who really knows? Hard to assess.

i did not say their aircraft were more advanced than ours, just than their aircraft carrier designs. coatings are expensive and hard to maintain, so engineers have been using aircraft shape to reduce cross sectional signature. if they have figured how aircraft shape works, then they are doing at least somewhat well in stealth. as far as engines go, they are wanting to develop their own engines, so that they do not have to rely on any one else. they could probably buy better engines from the russians if they needed to. considering the overall scale of war, 10 years behind in aircraft avionics might not be that bad.

if both the us and china are hacking into each other, the us can learn what china is doing, while the chinese can learn what we are doing plus learn what they do not know.

why would a anti ship ballistic missile fail without a nuclear warhead?

the chinese also do have icbms.

when we first made carriers we did not have guys with aircraft carrier experience either. they have guys with land aircraft experience and guys with naval experience, so maybe having them work together might work out.
 
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Svnla

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Let take a look at how awesome china is:

http://news.yahoo.com/china-39-thick-smog-spied-space-photo-202023316.html (air pollution in china is so bad and so thick, you can see it from space)

At the time, the Air Quality Index had climbed to 487 in Beijing and 404 in Shanghai. The scale goes up to 500, but levels above 300 are considered dangerous.

http://thediplomat.com/2013/11/how-china-plans-to-use-the-su-35/ (still have to buy advance jet fighters from Russia)

Chinese aviation is still reliant in many ways on Russia. Media attention has focused on China’s domestic development programs, including stealth fighter-bombers and helicopters. The advance of Chinese aviation capabilities is by now a common theme, with every month seeming to bring new revelations about its programs. While the ability to manufacture and perform design work on these projects represents significant progress, “under the hood” these aircraft often feature Russian engines. China continues to try to copy or steal Russian engine technology because of a strong preference for building systems itself.

http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/smog-wars-chinas-pollution-in-the-spotlight/ (dirty air)


China insists that — at this point in its development — stricter standards are impossible and that emphasis must be placed on China becoming a superpower. However, now that China is speaking about pollution so candidly, fixing it is another matter, as is dealing with its effects.


http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/chinas-shadow-currency/ (shadow currency - growth at any cost)


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinas-real-estate-bubble-11-08-2013/ (real estate bubble - ghost cities)


http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203806504577181461401318988 (rich chinese are moving to US or Western countries. If china is all that, then why them chinese want to leave? )
 
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