U.S. SOLDIER BURNED IN EFFIGY AT PORTLAND ANTI-WAR PROTEST...

[Specop 007]

Heres one to mull over...

You burn the American flag and dolls of soldiers....Your a protestor.
Try walking around with a stick and a black doll hanging from a rope...See what happens.
You speak out against the christian religion....Your exercising your rights.
Try protesting Hamas or Islam and see what happens. Or just ask the college students in California who tried it how it went.......

Remember class, everyone is equal. Some are more equal then others.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Can anyone give an argument for why this is not okay? Who cares if they don't like the troops? If I saw one getting burned in effigy today, I wouldn't think twice about it... this halo around our "men and women in uniform" is one I'll never understand. Remember: they are in Iraq not to protect freedom, but because they are getting paid lots and lots of money. (way more then the average for their level of education)

If you honestly believe that our TROOPS are in Iraq for the money, then you are one stupid SOB and know absolutely nothing about US soldiers today.

I personally take a ~50% paycut each time I get sent downrange and that is with 10 years of service and a decent rank on my shoulder! Most of our soldiers are working for $1-3k per month while losing sleep, eating crappy food, sleeping on cots or rocks, getting shot at, blown up, and dealing with a media and populace back home that throws them under a bus every day. If you believe that is high pay for working 120+ hrs/wk, then you SERIOUSLY need to find a better job... or get a clue.

As for these protesters, I expect that it will catch up with them someday... fvck 'em.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
From Drudge: U.S. SOLDIER BURNED IN EFFIGY AT PORTLAND ANTI-WAR PROTEST...
Link to photos

Effigy of US soldiers burned along with US Flag at a 'peace rally' :|
I suppose these guys claim to support the troops....

Of course you are perfectly OK with actual soldiers actually dying for a false war for your hero.

 

[JD50]

Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

 

[Turkey22]

I'm actually pretty anti-war, but this is bad. I can't say I'm shocked at what they are doing, cus frankly there are plenty of stupid people everywhere. But it is pretty sad to see them basically using the wrong target for their aggressions. Blame Bush, blame congress, but don't blame the people who are only following orders.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Turkey22
I'm actually pretty anti-war, but this is bad. I can't say I'm shocked at what they are doing, cus frankly there are plenty of stupid people everywhere. But it is pretty sad to see them basically using the wrong target for their aggressions. Blame Bush, blame congress, but don't blame the people who are only following orders.

:thumbsup:

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Funny I didn't see anyone in this thread going "WHOOHOO GOODJOB YEAH BURN BITCHES BURN!" (posted for effect so don't be a smartass).

And do let us know when you're going to do the same with your own nuts like Coulter and Delay when they go off on their "libs=terrorists" spew-fests (I won't hold my breath...)

 

[palehorse]

In all fairness, some decent lefities ARE condemning this form of protest... the few here who are refusing to condemn these nutjobs are themselves just as nutty.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Funny I didn't see anyone in this thread going "WHOOHOO GOODJOB YEAH BURN BITCHES BURN!" (posted for effect so don't be a smartass).

And do let us know when you're going to do the same with your own nuts like Coulter and Delay when they go off on their "libs=terrorists" spew-fests (I won't hold my breath...)

Funny, I didn't say that anyone was encouraging their behavior, but they are certainly making excuses for it. I don't make excuses for Delay or Coulter, nice try though. I even condemned those on the right that label all anti war people as traitors, in this thread too! Try reading the entire thread next time.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
In all fairness, some decent lefities ARE condemning this form of protest... the few here who are refusing to condemn these nutjobs are themselves just as nutty.

You're right, I should have been more specific, I was referring to those that just want to make excuses for their actions.

 

[ProfJohn]

I think these idiots might actually be hurting their cause since most Americans who see this will be upset by these images.


Look at the pictures here and the ones from the 1970's hostage take over in Iran, they look a lot a like.
I am sure our little terrorist friends will be using pictures like this to drum up more support for their cause as well...

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think these idiots might actually be hurting their cause since most Americans who see this will be upset by these images.


Look at the pictures here and the ones from the 1970's hostage take over in Iran, they look a lot a like.
I am sure our little terrorist friends will be using pictures like this to drum up more support for their cause as well...

They are probably right winged infiltrators trying to make the left look bad. We know the right and their dirty tricks, no?

But what about the real troops being blown up in Iraq, all those people dying for Bush lies? Where's the outrage on the right about that?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think these idiots might actually be hurting their cause since most Americans who see this will be upset by these images.

That depends on whqat you mean by "their" cause. Nobody is going to change their minds about the war because a couple of whackos are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame through their obvious lack of taste/judgment.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think these idiots might actually be hurting their cause since most Americans who see this will be upset by these images.


Look at the pictures here and the ones from the 1970's hostage take over in Iran, they look a lot a like.
I am sure our little terrorist friends will be using pictures like this to drum up more support for their cause as well...

They are probably right winged infiltrators trying to make the left look bad. We know the right and their dirty tricks, no?

But what about the real troops being blown up in Iraq, all those people dying for Bush lies? Where's the outrage on the right about that?

What about the loonies burning effigies of our troops, where's the outrage on the left about that?

We could go in circles all day long or we can discuss the OP, it appears that you do not like what occurred in the OP and since the people that did it are most likely of the same political affiliation as yourself, you would rather change the subject than have to condemn someone from your own party.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Even offensive speech is Constitutionally protected until it advocates or incites other illegal acts such as the violent overthrow of the government.

Was their speech illegal? No.

Did it offend those who support the Bushwackos' illegal war? I hope so.

Why is it so hard for right wing idealogues to defend the Constitution they pretend to support?

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Even offensive speech is Constitutionally protected until it advocates or incites other illegal acts such as the violent overthrow of the government.

Was their speech illegal? No.

Did it offend those who support the Bushwackos' illegal war? I hope so.

Why is it so hard for right wing idealogues to defend the Constitution they pretend to support?

Did anyone say that what they did was illegal? No.

Did anyone advocate making it illegal? No.

Do you only criticize those things which are illegal? No.

Is this your new standard? You will now only criticize or condemn things that are illegal? Your response to this is just sad.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Even offensive speech is Constitutionally protected until it advocates or incites other illegal acts such as the violent overthrow of the government.

Was their speech illegal? No.

Did it offend those who support the Bushwackos' illegal war? I hope so.

Why is it so hard for right wing idealogues to defend the Constitution they pretend to support?

Did anyone say that what they did was illegal? No.

Did anyone advocate making it illegal? No.

Do you only criticize those things which are illegal? No.

Is this your new standard? You will now only criticize or condemn things that are illegal? Your response to this is just sad.

We don't have to critizes them, you and ProfJohn have it covered. What make you think the left has to condemn every nutjob you don't like? Your only going to end up making thes guys into the new "Cindy Sheehan" and that worked so well for your side, didn't it.

:disgust:

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Even offensive speech is Constitutionally protected until it advocates or incites other illegal acts such as the violent overthrow of the government.

Was their speech illegal? No.

Did it offend those who support the Bushwackos' illegal war? I hope so.

Why is it so hard for right wing idealogues to defend the Constitution they pretend to support?

Did anyone say that what they did was illegal? No.

Did anyone advocate making it illegal? No.

Do you only criticize those things which are illegal? No.

Is this your new standard? You will now only criticize or condemn things that are illegal? Your response to this is just sad.

We don't have to critizes them, you and ProfJohn have it covered. What make you think the left has to condemn every nutjob you don't like? Your only going to end up making thes guys into the new "Cindy Sheehan" and that worked so well for your side, didn't it.

:disgust:

Hmm....someone seems to be having a problem with reading comprehension today (psst...that would be you). My problem is with the looney lefties coming into this thread and making excuses for the actions of their buddies, I don't expect all of you to flock to this thread and condemn their actions. Although I'm sure if it was something negative against minorities or gays you would all be in here denouncing what happened.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Disgusting maybe, but try to make them stop using the force of government and I will help light the fire for them.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Did it offend those who support the Bushwackos' illegal war?

Did it offend those who support the troops, but not the war?

Everybody who'se expressed the above sentiment here s/b condeming these a'holes. Too bad the search function here doesn't work.
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And now - for my next prediction on "political showmanship"

1) Rush, Hannity et al will be all over this discrediting those who make the statement "I support the troops but not the war"

2) Pelosi, Murtha et al will be trotted out to condem these people and again claim "I support th etroops, but not the war".

3) Left leaning news orgs will down play, not wanting to distract from Gonzales-gate. (Lets see if they break the story on the same as the right leaning do or wait til later. I.e., don't bring it up til they have to, afraid it refelcts badly on anti-war forces)

4) Right leaning news org will play it up, taking time away from Gonzales-gate

5) All Dem (and even some Repub) Pres candidates will use this opportunity to condem the protestors (but some will emphasize free speech) to express support for the troops. many Dems will use it to springboard into attack on Bush etc.

I just pray it doesn't somehow give Cindy Sheehan another 15 minutes (or seconds) of fame.

Fern

 

[First]

Originally posted by: JD50

Hmm....someone seems to be having a problem with reading comprehension today (psst...that would be you). My problem is with the looney lefties coming into this thread and making excuses for the actions of their buddies, I don't expect all of you to flock to this thread and condemn their actions. Although I'm sure if it was something negative against minorities or gays you would all be in here denouncing what happened.

The point has flown over your head several times now. If you don't understand it by now, that pointing out a few loons burning a soldier in effigy is minuscule and moot to the real, actual problem that has underscored every soldier thread since 2003; the Iraq war and actual soldiers dying.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Evan Lieb

Originally posted by: JD50

Hmm....someone seems to be having a problem with reading comprehension today (psst...that would be you). My problem is with the looney lefties coming into this thread and making excuses for the actions of their buddies, I don't expect all of you to flock to this thread and condemn their actions. Although I'm sure if it was something negative against minorities or gays you would all be in here denouncing what happened.

The point has flown over your head several times now. If you don't understand it by now, that pointing out a few loons burning a soldier in effigy is minuscule and moot to the real, actual problem that has underscored every soldier thread since 2003; the Iraq war and actual soldiers dying.

You're right, there should be absolutely not threads, or discussions, of anything other than actualsoldiers dying. :roll:

You do realize that it is possible to be against our soldiers dying, AND be against some idiots burning a soldier in effigy right?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Looks like they also burned a flag. They're fabric and stuffing. It's Constitutionally protected free speech. You may not like it, but it worked to get your attention. Too bad you missed their meaning.

I didn't see any reports of dead or injured people. Get over your BS and your phoney indignation until you care as much about those Americans who are really dying in your Criminal In Chief's illegal exercise in Iraq. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

I don't care what their rights are, it's in bad taste to do what they did.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: JD50
Why is it so hard for the left to condemn the actions of nutjobs like this?

Even offensive speech is Constitutionally protected until it advocates or incites other illegal acts such as the violent overthrow of the government.

Was their speech illegal? No.

Did it offend those who support the Bushwackos' illegal war? I hope so.

Why is it so hard for right wing idealogues to defend the Constitution they pretend to support?

Did anyone say that what they did was illegal? No.

Did anyone advocate making it illegal? No.

Do you only criticize those things which are illegal? No.

Is this your new standard? You will now only criticize or condemn things that are illegal? Your response to this is just sad.

We don't have to critizes them, you and ProfJohn have it covered. What make you think the left has to condemn every nutjob you don't like? Your only going to end up making thes guys into the new "Cindy Sheehan" and that worked so well for your side, didn't it.

:disgust:

Hmm....someone seems to be having a problem with reading comprehension today (psst...that would be you). My problem is with the looney lefties coming into this thread and making excuses for the actions of their buddies, I don't expect all of you to flock to this thread and condemn their actions. Although I'm sure if it was something negative against minorities or gays you would all be in here denouncing what happened.

Excuses for what? NO LAWS HAVE BEEN BROKEN. Sorry, take you expect4d apology and shove it causde you ain't gettin' one.

 

[keird]

The freedom of speech is protected by U.S. law. The freedom that these perpetrators enjoyed was the expectation of the rule of law. They knew that they were free to do this without reprisal (except for maybe a fire permit - they could have been cited for that). They are young and have likely never known any impingement of that right, except from their high school principal and parents. This important freedom that is preserved and guarded by the nation of the United States of America must be coupled with the inherent responsibility to use their freedom responsibly.

In my opinion, they didn't and their free speech has been tainted with their ignorance and zealotry.