btw, do you believe that a heterosexual couple who can not have children or who do not want children should be legally allowed to marry?
Yes. But so is infertility
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grounds_for_divorce_(United_States)
So then by your very own argument you must concede that since infertility is grounds for divorce clearly procreation is part of marriage
I am pretty sure I did multiple times.
By the logic liberals suggest the government imposes no requirements for a couple to get married in terms of fidelity, pro-creation, etc. And therefore marriage serves no purpose and should not exist as a government sponsored institution.
It's hard to be tolerant of homophobia, just like it's hard to be tolerant of racism.
Phil was fired for his comments. Which is intimidation.
Firing or suing someone for their opinion is wrong.
Equal rights is the goal we all strive to obtain.
He wasn't fired.
Tolerance simply means to get along despite differences of opinion. Voicing an opinion on gay marriage isn't the same as fighting against it, or hating gays (homophobia).
This is not hard to grasp, in my opinion.
You asked:
The logical question then is there a cheap fertility test capable of determining to a sufficient degree of accuracy that someone is infertile.
You are upset because such a test does not exist. And therefore your whole question is practically irrelevant.
Actually if you read back you will see I repeatedly said marriage was about CONTROLLING procreation.
That is entirely the purpose of marriage. The entire purpose of marriage is to grant special rights to certain people; and according to liberals for absolutely no reason. So again by your logic you are arguing against marriage.
I don't see how you can possibly go from; marriage shouldn't exist therefore we should expand it to include same-sex couples.
When practically all talking points against gay marriage are homophobic at their root, then yes, voicing opinions against it most likely means your views are homophobic.
Just the same as voicing an opinion against interracial marriage is racist.
How do you know for sure that they have "homophobia at their roots"? What evidence can you show that they hate or fear gays? Or that I do?
Is one representative of the whole?
Question: I will never fight against gay marriage -- I don't agree with it at all though, so how can you know I have "homophobia" at my roots?
I didn't say it was relevant...I was explaining my definition to you. No, reproduction isn't a requirement, but good grief, you guys act is if its "wrong" to object to SSM. That's probably why people use the "natrual" argument because you demand a reason why some object to it.
Why can't you live and let live yourselves? Why can't I simply not agree with it without being stigmatized?
So what? My point is that has NOTHING to do with gay animals. There was a point in time when it was banned. That had nothing to do with animals, did it?
Yea I reread -- my bad guys. It's often trotted out as a rebuttal to the "it's wrong" argument. I thought that was part of his argument.
I'll have you know I just apologized to a gay guy on facebook over something I told him 20 years ago.
Yea I reread -- my bad guys. It's often trotted out as a rebuttal to the "it's wrong" argument. I thought that was part of his argument.
Most people would recognize the ownage and walk away with their tail between their legs. He's too stupid to acknowledge it though.
Even in ignore he haunts me.
Do you have a non-homophobic reason for not agreeing with it?
I have a hard time understanding all the reverse bigotry, which is all this is, and demanding people be politically correct instead of genuinely honest. This is all a form of bullying...convert or die (socially-speaking), lynch-mob mentality, and its ok for you to do this.
We all talk about "tolerance" and repect,...if I judge gays as being deviants, I can't do that, but then the same idiots, right out of the sides of the necks, justifiy "judging" me...as you so willingly admit to doing.
You guys don't want tolerance. You don't know what it means.
Question: I will never fight against gay marriage -- I don't agree with it at all though, so how can you know I have "homophobia" at my roots?
How do you know for sure that they have "homophobia at their roots"? What evidence can you show that they hate or fear gays? Or that I do?
Is one representative of the whole?
Question: I will never fight against gay marriage -- I don't agree with it at all though, so how can you know I have "homophobia" at my roots?
Please, can you just answer, please.
If you are indifferent, you are a bigot.
There is no middle ground here. You are either for gay rights, or you are against them.
Not really, but that is what people are telling me.
If you are indifferent, you are a bigot.
There is no middle ground here. You are either for gay rights, or you are against them.
Not really, but that is what people are telling me.
You're absolutely right, to be honest. I don't think they realize that calling me homophobic doesn't make me one -- thats why I asked whats a "homophobic root".
The way he's dodging that speaks volumes.