U.S. Supreme Court orders Florida hand recounts to stop

[Russ]

<< I can't believe the FSC allowed themselves to be in a position to be overturned. >>



They are smart enough to know what was going to happen. All they had to do was read their own members dissenting opinions. This court is so far in to the democrats hip pocket that they no longer care about looking foolish.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Tiger]

Boies may have his cajones in a vise with the Florida bar over the first FSC ruling. They've opened a disciplenary file and will investigate. I'm surprised it took this long for somebody to bring it up. Of course we've got lawyers spanking fellow lawyers.

Kinda makes you wonder about the Microsoft ruling doesn't it?

 

This is better than the World Series. It's now game seven. Monday is going to a great news ticker day.

 

[DefRef]

It's easy to spot who's on which side of this issue.

The Goreistas are the ones cheering when the Democrats on the canvasing boards fake up votes and the SCOFLAws wipe their butts with the Constitution and make up ex post facto (i.e. unConstitutional) laws to advance their parties interests over the good of the nation.

On the other side are people who don't think Dubya is all that, but certainly can't stand for this Alice in Wonderlandish, up-is-down, bullchit that's been going on. The law should protect EVERYONE!

For eight years, we've had a brazenly criminal administration, who's attitude has been, &quot;What are ya gonna do about it, punk?&quot;, as they've counted on their puppet Janet Reno to do her (his?) Sgt. Schultz impersonation. &quot;I see NOTHING! I know NOTHING!&quot;

This is the last stand for law-and-order. Bush may be as dumb as a sack of hammers, but he has never stood for anything other than playing the game by the rules in place when the election was held. He has never asked for standards to be changed and lowered, deadlines to be extended, re-extended and then thrown out altogether when the fraud operations couldn't deliver the goods.

If he'd lost a close one under the rules, he'd have conceded and gone back to his coloring books. The fact that his first instinct WASN'T to send a plague of lawyers into the Sunshine State is proof that he's more of a man than Roboliar?.

What's Gore gonna do if Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait again? Sue him?!?

 

[SJ]

Alot of the Gore team is under fire. But Boies shouldn't of did what he did. Hes likely to get himself smacked down for filing a false affidavit, which he knew was false. I mean hes paid $600/hour he should know better. Also don't look for Tribe to be the person infront of the USSC for Gore, hes come under fire by Gore staffers. Also if Bush is the one that gains votes in Dade, that clearly shows that Judge Sauls ruling should of been upheld.

 

[Michael]

The Gore lawyer that gave out an &quot;alledged&quot; total of the recount so far directly violated a court order. Looks like another Gore lawyer that is going to be in trouble with a judge.

Michael

 

[rmblam]

Aw come on! We need to count ALL the votes! How else will we be sure?

We need to count ALL the votes!

except for the non-democratic counties

We need to count ALL the votes!

except for the absentee ballots

We need to count ALL the votes!

screw the military vote

We need to count ALL the votes!

How many times are we going to count the votes!!!!!

One more time!!!


But we need a fair and accurate count....... of all the Gore votes not the real votes.

Amazing double standard.

 

[DefRef]

The whole idea of the SCOFLAws was to allow the Gore hacks to fake up some votes and then ANNOUCE THEM TO THE PUBLIC. They would then do their happy dance and celebrate their victory. When the USSC laid the smacketh downeth, they would then whine about how the courts were &quot;overruling the will of the people&quot;.

These hand-counts are inherently bogus and susceptible to fraud. Anyone who thinks that this is the best method of determining an election is a Pollyanna an a good candidate to buy a bridge over the East River.

 

[WoundedWallet]

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a Judicial system not tied to partisan ideology?

By that meaning both Supreme Courts!

A truly judicial decision would be to review the recount case after it has been done. And not to prevent it, in order to let the clock run out.

BTW The USSC has now 7 out of the 9 judges apointed by a Republican president. So if they get to decide the next president, everybody knows who they are going to pick.

Now if we had multiple main parties(more than two) we would probably also have a more just Judicial system.

We need a third party.

 

[DefRef]

Sorry, but the rules are being broken already and to take your suggestion would pile a ton of politics on top of the law.

The whole point of the Gore theft machine is to &quot;count&quot; (read: make up as many as needed) the votes and then trumpet their &quot;victory&quot; thru their willing flunkies in the media.

GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! GORE WINS! is all you'd hear. The protests of the people who knew this was a scam would be drowned out and ignored as sour grapes.

How could they go to court and have it thrown out, despite the travesty that a crazed, partisan and renegade SCOFLA had created? An ignorant public would be convinced that Gore had won, despite the fact that the votes were fake.

That's why you can't and shouldn't count first and then try to fight about it later. The rules have been rewritten too many times for Gore and he has come up short EVERY SINGLE TIME. Are we supposed to rewrite the rules some more until he wins? Will ANY election be safe from the lawyers if he manages to complete this heist?

 

[jacobnero6918]

Thank God they didnt let the Kangeroo court of Florida get away with such a blatant disreguard for the law. Those 7 goofballs need to have some sense knocked into them!

 

[JellyBaby]

Yes the USSC would not needed to have intervened has the FLSC acted sensibly and logically. I believe this was a good sign of proper future conduct for all involved. Lets hope so at least.

btw these two-bit legal experts can't seem to predict their head from their hinnies. I've lost all faith in them.

 

[Russ]

<< Those 7 goofballs need to have some sense knocked into them! >>



Actually, at least this time around, not all seven were loonie. The dissenting opinions were nearly angry in the way they were written, making it VERY clear precisely what they thought of the action by the majority.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Harvey]

jacobnero6918 -- <<Thank God...

Objection, your honor. Assuming facts not in evidence.

... they didnt let the Kangeroo court of Florida get away with such a blatant disreguard for the law.>>

Thank you for your unemotional, unbiased, uninformed and totally useless opinion.

In putting the count on hold, they managed to violate one of their most basic tenets. They did the one thing that could cause irreparable harm before they actually heard the case and ruled on it.

Continuing the count was merely gathering data that. If the court ends up deciding that the recount is not appropriate, it would simply be discarded. All that would be lost was the effort. With this ruling, they run the risk of making a complete recount impossible, even if they eventually find that it should take place. LAME!

 

[Michael]

Harvey - Actually, if the &quot;votes&quot; never should have been counted to begin with, then the count and the results could cause harm to Bush. There was grounds for the stay and the Federal Supreme Court voted to issue the stay. Both courts were very divided 4-3 and 5-4. By allowing an illegal process to take place - note that ballot boxes should only be unsealed and counted under a court order at this point and an unlawfull court order can cause damage.

Under the rule of law, I am forced to live with the decisions that the Supreme Courts make. I can (or will when I'm a citizen) vote for representatives that will make the laws. I must rely on the Supreme Courts to interpret them and to ensure that the Constitution is being upheld.

What I really think should happen is that the Florida Leglislature shoud set some standards of what clear intent really means and then have the whole state recounted. They can certify any group of Electors they want. Congress can reject them if they want if they're past the safe harbour period.

I want all the ballots counted by hand, not just the &quot;undervotes&quot; and I want a consistent, fair standard to be applied. I do not think that the current process is fair and consistent. As such, Bush or Gore may be damaged by the process.

Michael

 

[Tominator]

It all boils down to the 'Rule Of Law.'


Bush won the election....by ANY standard! After the votes were LEGALLY certified, every other argument is mute!

If the current choas continues the Florida Legislature has a DUTY to name the Electors!

It is up to ELECTED [Legislators] officials and NOT APPOINTED [Judges] officials to bring this to an end. This is the obvious intent of the origionators og both the Florida State and US Constitution.

As predicted...

Read it an Weep you Democrats!

 

[DefRef]

There's only one way I'd accept a hand count...

IF RALPH NADER AND PAT BUCHANNAN WERE DOING THE COUNTING!!!

Those two think that BOTH Bush and Gore suck massive piles of ass and thus wouldn't be looking to fabricate votes for EITHER of them.

Pat: &quot;Hmmm...I don't see any vote here. Do you?&quot;
Ralph: &quot;Nope. Me neither. It looks like none of this ballots have votes for anyone...but us!&quot;

There. Problem solved. Time to go to the bar and celebrate my genius. Have a good weekend y'all.

 

[Michael]

I think I may be a liberal, I'm starting to agree with the editorials in the NY Times.

Michael

 

[AndrewR]

In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, &quot;Doh!&quot;

It is blatantly obvious that the Florida Supreme Court rewrote the laws not once but twice. Protestations of partisanship aimed at the US Supreme Court are at best misguided, at worst outright hypocrisy. The rebuke contained in the dissenting opinion of the Chief Justice of the Florida Supreme Court was not merely mild -- it was accusatory and harsh. That was indication of how the USSC would react.



<< Some legal experts said last night they didn't expect the Court to stop the recount. >>


Was that your lawyer again, Chess9? Couldn't resist!

 

[WoundedWallet]

If the rulke of law were supposed to be followed to a 'T', then the absentee ballots fixed by the Republicans should be thrown out.

If the will of the people was supposed to prevail, then an accurate hand recount should've been issued for the whole state.

As you see, the whole thing is muddied. The decision will come out of whose party has the best people in the best places. That's not a Democracy.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

If the will of the people was supposed to prevail, then an accurate hand recount should've been issued for the whole state.

Wrong. A full scale nationwide recount would have to be done.

 

[DesignDawg]

Wounded,


<< If the rulke of law were supposed to be followed to a 'T', then the absentee ballots fixed by the Republicans should be thrown out. >>


WRONG. Sorry. First, how many times must it be said that BALLOTS were not fixed or changed. They were APPLICATIONS. And, according to YOU, the &quot;rule of law&quot; dictates that the ballots are to be thrown out. According to THE WORDS OF THE LAW, however, the ballots are NOT void in any way, and the only penalty for a 3rd party filling out lines on an application is a FINE. So, I think they should have to pay the fine. By RULE OF LAW, it's only fair. But, tell me. If you were in another country right now, could you recite to me your voter ID number? No. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to vote? Of course not.I'm sick of this whole thing. Next Saturday, I'm driving through Talahassee. I think I'm gonna make a stop and WHOOP SOME ASS. (or at leats take some pictures.)

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[SJ]

Rule of law? Well lets get the paddy wagon out, the dems broke the same GOD DAMN LAW. They illegaly put the voter id on the application. If you follow the law to the T, then alot party hacks on both side should be found guilty of voter fraud. Does it matter if the dems did it before and the republicans did it after(because of a software failure?). NO. Should the ballots be thrown out? NO. Even with the fixed applications republicans still had the most rejected apps in both counties, the dems were not harmed whatsoever, they broke the same god damn law for christs sake.

 

[ride525]

Yesterday, I was glad to see that the undervotes were going to be counted and we might finally find out who REALLY got the most votes in Florida, not the most that the machines could read...but the MOST....

Today I am SAD.....I'm not sure this will happen now....

 

[ckluu]

Throughout all this, it just amazes me how the Democrats kept on saying that all votes need to be counted and the rule of law. However, the law does not state that everything has to be on hold until all votes are counted. Time does not wait for anybody.

Besides, if you really want your vote to be counted, do it right. Double check your ballot and make sure that the right holes are punched and the chads have fallen off.