U.S.: We will stop aid to Palestinians if UN bid proceeds

[EagleKeeper]

And based on Arab logic; has the right to attack even if not attacked, just because Palestine now exists.

So the US used Arab logic when it invaded Iraq, lol that will teach em

Let us see.

The Arabs attacked Israel on her birth just because she was there.
The UN did nothing about it.
Only then did the UN step in when Israel had multiple Arab armies ready to be destroyed.

So how can any of the Arab nations, UN or Arab nation supporters from '48 through '73 have any valid concerns about the situation being carried forward again.

After all, Israel had to smuggle in its arms to defend itself when under British control. There supporters had less to work with than the Arab countries of the time that were lined up against her.

So now the Palestinians can be in the same boat. They know how to smuggle in weapons; yet they have supporters that are much more powerful than what Israel had at the time.

Arab nations have hi-tech weapons for use against armor, aircraft and ground troops. Iran which supports the Palestinians has weapons that they have been shipping to the Palestinians; Syria has the hi-tech that they obtained from Russia. China has had no qualms about delivering technology. Pakistan has current technology that they boast can clean Israel's clock.

Seems like if people really want to help the Palestinians, any perceived differences in tools is able to be overcome.

Israel was fighting for her life; if she failed; it was total annihilation; everybody fought because they had no choice;
The Palestinians can also prove themselves. Let their rabid supporters help them.

Or are Hezbollah and the other Arab nations unwilling to take on Israel directly after the last round of whupping each received.

It seems when such rules are ignored and benefit Arab countries, everyone is willing to ignore the them. Turn the tables and everyone goes ape.

I am not calling on the Israelis to eradicate the Palestinians (unlike the reverse), but stating that the Palestinians have their destiny in their hands and I expect will again screw themselves to the wall by poking again and again at Israel, and coming running to the UN again.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Let us see.

The Arabs attacked Israel on her birth just because she was there.

They attacked Israel because she was put there, she wasn't there before right?
The Pals fled because they were getting attacked by the Israeli terrorists at the time and of course to get out of the way of the battle that was coming
After the Arab nations lost, these same people were not allowed to go back home.

We have seen this discussed a thousand times and yet for some reason, some people keep saying the Pals attacked the Israelis. Thats not true is it.

Did you read that article I posted? I'm interested to know what you think of that.

*Lebensraum*

 

[Harabec]

As an Israeli I can tell you that the Lebensraum concept has nothing to do with housing prices here. They are simply the result of free-market failure due to a number of goverment decisions regarding the sale of land (in Israel itself, not the west bank etc).

You may continue throwing pooh at eachother about other things, though.

 

[Orignal Earl]

As an Israeli I can tell you that the Lebensraum concept has nothing to do with housing prices here. They are simply the result of free-market failure due to a number of goverment decisions regarding the sale of land (in Israel itself, not the west bank etc).

You may continue throwing pooh at eachother about other things, though.

Of course as an Israeli you may have your opinion.
Just like your fellow Israeli who wrote the article.

 

[Harabec]

No, not opinion. I know for a fact how land (within Israel) is sold, who holds it and why it throws house prices up through the roof. As does any other Israeli who has dealt with the Israel Land Administration (buying land for a new home and more). This has nothing to do with west bank settlements.

Other issues of government money being given to various places are a different matter that surely you'd be happy to talk about with other people here.

 

[William Gaatjes]

No, not opinion. I know for a fact how land (within Israel) is sold, who holds it and why it throws house prices up through the roof. As does any other Israeli who has dealt with the Israel Land Administration (buying land for a new home and more). This has nothing to do with west bank settlements.

Other issues of government money being given to various places are a different matter that surely you'd be happy to talk about with other people here.

We are surely interested in the background of the house prices. I do have a few questions of my own... I read about the banking scandals in Israel in 1983. Do you know anything about that ? And if so, is the wiki article correct ? How are the banking regulations doing in Israel ?

 

[kylebisme]

We have seen this discussed a thousand times and yet for some reason, some people keep saying the Pals attacked the Israelis.

They have to cling to that lie or else their whole argument falls on it's face.

 

[kylebisme]

I know for a fact how land (within Israel) is sold, who holds it and why it throws house prices up through the roof.

Housing prices have been driven through the roof in Israel for the same reason subsidies for housing in the West Bank are through the roof: to encourage further colonization of the West Bank. Lebensraum.

 

[EagleKeeper]

We have seen this discussed a thousand times and yet for some reason, some people keep saying the Pals attacked the Israelis.

They have to cling to that lie or else their whole argument falls on it's face.

I stated that the Arabs attacked Israel at her birth.

I have no doubt that there were Palestinians that cooperated with the Arabs and there were Palestinians standing on the sidelines cheering, expecting to walk in and take over once Israel was eliminated.

The Palestinians chose the wrong side and continue to receive the benefits of such decisions.

They blame Israel for surviving

 

[Lemon law]

In an interesting meeting between Netanyuhu and the main opposition party in the person of Livini, I have to feel Livini is off base on Israeli diplomacy.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=235866

As Livini says, the way to prevent a Palestinian State is through Israeli diplomacy.

Which is basically wrong as Netanyuhu and his government have been pulling out all of the stops to convince, cajole, and arm twist every government they can, in return, Israel gets a polite listen, and then Israeli diplomats are told, we still side with a Palestinians State and Israeli needs to get out of Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem yesterday. Because Israel has no valid diplomatic arguments any more. Nor does Israel try to bribe any countries, that takes some valuable concessions, because its not the way Israeli thinking works. Israel is supposed to be owed a living, and aid should only flow one way--from the world to Israel and never the other way.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I stated that the Arabs attacked Israel at her birth.

I have no doubt that there were Palestinians that cooperated with the Arabs and there were Palestinians standing on the sidelines cheering, expecting to walk in and take over once Israel was eliminated.

I see people posting here all day on things they have no doubt in. ( What do we call this? Faith based Facts?)
A guy throws up a link that proves the first guy wrong, it gets ignored and a couple days later, you see the same guy spouting the same BS
lol
It's crazy

But anyways... what about the Jewish Pals and the Christians Pals?
Who did they cheer on?

 

[Abwx]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...d-to-palestinians-if-un-bid-proceeds-1.380901


lol. Rubinstein. gee, i wonder why he's against Palestinian statehood? we need a non-jewish US consul general who is not biased.

with people like this in power, there is no hope for Palestein. :\

Indeed , he was named at this post under heavy pressure of the AIPAC.

Only people llike Eagle keeper still believe that their country is a sovereign
nation when it comes to ME foreign policy...

 

[Abwx]

Let us see.

The Arabs attacked Israel on her birth just because she was there.

The only thing you see is the zio brainwashing medics symptoms
that makes you repeat their fairy tales..

How would one call such a reunion if not a bunch of gangsters
preparing themselves to rob a bank, or rather, a land ?...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Zionist_Congress

 

[Chaosblade02]

It's not their country. If they would have won the fights they started, they wouldn't be in the mess they're in. Fuck 'em.

Someone could say the same about Israel. Its about time we quit giving Israel military aid and support, because they obviously don't need it. And the US has nothing to gain from being involved in picking sides in this.

I am fairly certain that if Israel picked a fight with Iran, they would be on their own. Israel might very well pick a fight it cannot win and will crash and burn.

More and more of us in America are starting to see that Israel is not really an ally at all. This alliance is not a symbiotic one, its more of a parasitic one. Because only they have something to gain from it and we get nothing.

 

[SandEagle]

Someone could say the same about Israel. Its about time we quit giving Israel military aid and support, because they obviously don't need it. And the US has nothing to gain from being involved in picking sides in this.

I am fairly certain that if Israel picked a fight with Iran, they would be on their own. Israel might very well pick a fight it cannot win and will crash and burn.

More and more of us in America are starting to see that Israel is not really an ally at all. This alliance is not a symbiotic one, its more of a parasitic one. Because only they have something to gain from it and we get nothing.

US Military Support per DAY:
Israel: $8.5 million
Palestine: $ 0

 

[Chaosblade02]

US Military Support per DAY:
Israel: $8.5 million
Palestine: $ 0

This isn't gonna last forever. They have a plenty good enough military to bully their neighbors and the Palestinians while colonizing more territory. Their military has long since reached its maximum for its population size, they aren't gonna get any stronger, but their enemies certainly will. And Israel is small enough to where it would only take a few thermonuclear weapons to completely destroy it. Which automatically leaves it at a disadvantage towards a larger nuclear armed nation, like Iran.

How long are they gonna piss around with Iran, they know they are gonna be nuclear in the near future, then what? Are you waiting on big brother America to bail you out of this one? Don't hold your breath. Once Iran tests its first nuke, Israeli assholes are gonna start clenching up real tight.

 

[sm625]

They should just get it overwith and bulldoze the whole west bank and Gaza. No one in this country gives a damn about any of it because they are too busy texting each other fart jokes and generally acting like morons who are just too cool to actually know anything. If ever there was a time when a people were ripe for the pickin, now is that time.

 

[Nebor]

Someone could say the same about Israel. Its about time we quit giving Israel military aid and support, because they obviously don't need it. And the US has nothing to gain from being involved in picking sides in this.

I am fairly certain that if Israel picked a fight with Iran, they would be on their own. Israel might very well pick a fight it cannot win and will crash and burn.

More and more of us in America are starting to see that Israel is not really an ally at all. This alliance is not a symbiotic one, its more of a parasitic one. Because only they have something to gain from it and we get nothing.

They use to provide us an outlet to test our newest weapons systems in real combat. But now that we have our own wars we don't really need that. I guess as long as we stay in a state of perpetual war we could probably cut back on aid to Israel.

 

[BeauJangles]

The only thing you see is the zio brainwashing medics symptoms
that makes you repeat their fairy tales..

How would one call such a reunion if not a bunch of gangsters
preparing themselves to rob a bank, or rather, a land ?...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Zionist_Congress

How are they "robbing" a land that they've had claims on for at least as long as anyone has?

 

[EagleKeeper]

The only thing you see is the zio brainwashing medics symptoms
that makes you repeat their fairy tales..

How would one call such a reunion if not a bunch of gangsters
preparing themselves to rob a bank, or rather, a land ?...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Zionist_Congress

How are they "robbing" a land that they've had claims on for at least as long as anyone has?

Look at whom you are posting the question to!

 

[Chaosblade02]

They use to provide us an outlet to test our newest weapons systems in real combat. But now that we have our own wars we don't really need that. I guess as long as we stay in a state of perpetual war we could probably cut back on aid to Israel.

By real combat, I guess that means when they send the Israeli bulldozers in that need fighter aircraft support because the Palestinians have the audacity to try and fight back with AK-47s.

 

[Lemon law]

How are they "robbing" a land that they've had claims on for at least as long as anyone has?

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How was Hitler's actions therefore wrong, as the Hitler led the German people who had lived in Germany forever to murder all Jews and foreign influences. Of course Hitler was a little more democratic than Israel, he murdered Gypsies and Slav's with equal enthusiasm.

I hope this little diatribe gives BeauJangles a clue, the sin is in the failure to distinguish, that being human pigs is a piss poor substitute for fairly sharing. Sooner or later, Jews and Palestinians will share in governing Israel by mutually co-operation, and any other alternative is not workable or long term viable.

The USA was founded on the principle that everyone is born equal, and its stood America in good stead. America may not be perfect, but the current Israel government is totally wrong and off to inevitable end if it believes Jews have hereditary rights superior to all of Israel's residents. Its simply an Apartheid idea simply no longer Kosher in the 21'th century.

Israel may have gotten away with their crap too long, but now its clear its no longer acceptable.

 

[werepossum]

The issue is that the world has been asking for the two adversaries to workup a solution and then come to the UN for a blessing.

Some guidelines have been provided in terms of what the Palestinian proposed state should and should not do.

The Palestinians have ignored that advice and forged ahead thinking that they can force pressure of acceptance.

w/ respect to aid being picked up by the Arab states that is lost from the US, the Arab states provide lip service to the Palestinians only. They have used them as pawns for their own ego since the beginning. When offered a Palestinian state in '48, they refused it.

Look at Egypt keeping Gaza sealed off from the Sinai for the past 40+ years.

This. If the Palestinians go to the UN and declare that they are a sovereign state based on borders contested by Israel - borders won by Israeli blood in numerous wars of Arab aggression - then we have to take a side. Personally I applaud Obama for choosing the side which didn't freely elect an anti-American terrorist organization to lead them; I only wish we had cut off aid as soon as that election.

 

[Chaosblade02]

How are they "robbing" a land that they've had claims on for at least as long as anyone has?

Oh WOW I can't believe I missed this one!!!

According to the old testament, god rose in a pillar of fire (probably a burning bush) and told the Israelites that land was theirs. Is this what you mean by claim?

Also by taking this land, they had to break the commandment of "Thou shall not kill" and also "Thou shall not steal". Because they slaughtered the Phillistines, and took their land. And were told to leave nothing alive, men, women, children, animals. Everything had to be slaughtered. God told them as such. But they didn't. They kept the animals and the women. ()

Religion makes so much sense, doesn't it?

The moral of the story is that its ok to kill and steal as long as God says its ok.

 

[D-Man]

I think Israel should pull back to the 67 boarders the same day we give Texas back to Mexico.