uATX Results

Gary Key

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Hi,

These are the results from testing for each category and are based on a combination of price, performance, options, and support. I would like to stress that we really did not have a bad board or one that would not be worthy of purchasing depending upon your needs or situation although the Intel VIA boards were clearly a step behind. While performance was very close between all of the AM2 boards, it was obvious that the NVIDIA 6100/6150 AM2 boards were a little better at overclocking although the top two 690G boards have come on strong if that is important to you. I personally came to the conclusion that buying a 6000+ or 5600+ at the new prices was a smarter decision than buying a 3800+ or 4200+ and going through the headache of overclocking and stressing the rest of the system. I provided some Cliff Notes for each group.

AM2-

AMD690G-

1. Biostar (best overall features, performance, pricing, support, limited fan control is a killer)
2. Sapphire (close but that x1 PCI-E location was a killer)
3. ASUS (HDMI version, very solid performance, great features, limited OC)
4. MSI (great base board, limited BIOS options, solid performance, pricing is starting to reflect it being a base board)
WildCard - Jetway, Foxconn, Gigabyte 690 boards arrived today, understand from early reports that the ECS board is looking strong as well)
Thoughts - All of the boards performed very well, all were solid and consistent, latest Vista drivers helped tremendously, still having a few rough spots with 1080P playback, overall probably one of the better chipsets to buy in the uATX market, especially considering the AM2 pricing and performance for the dollar. (This comes from a long time Intel user who even drank the i850 / RAMBUS Kool-Aid).

NV6100/6150
1. abit NF-M2 Nview (top overclocking/performance, very good features, mature board)
1.5 Biostar TForce 6100 (excellent performance, stability, features, OC behind abit)
2.5 DFI C51PV-M2/G (really nice board overall, AC97 sound is a joke though, still asking DFI why on that one)
3. ASUS M2N-MX/M2NPV-VM (toss up, depends on feature needs)
4. MSI K9VGM-V, Foxconn K8M890M2MA, ASUS M2V-MX (all of the VIA boards scored very well from an overall viewpoint, very solid performance, if onboard GPU had been a little stronger, price to performance would have led the way in the AM2 roundup)
Wild Card - Foxconn and MSI Quadro 210S boards arrived late last week, both are excellent boards, high quality, and probably will wind up in the number 2 spot.
Thoughts - The most mature group, really did not have any issues to speak of, even after two years on the market, these chipsets are still going strong.

NV7050-
1. Biostar TForce TF7050-M2 (what else can we say, it is the only 7050 board in the labs now) Performance is about 2% better than the 6100/6150 boards in certain applications like encoding and newer games, main benefits are features like native HDMI, newer driver support, and reasonable costs. More 7050 boards are on their way, a weird rollout, NDA has been moved several times, product announcements are not timely, and there seems to be a lack of interest by the suppliers in adopting this solution quickly.

SIS-
It will be June before we have their new product.

Best AM2-

Biostar AMD690G / abit NF-M2 Nview


Intel -

G/Q965:
1. GA-965QM-DS2 - (Strong performance, features, and support, OC limited to 330)
2. ASUS P5B-VM - (ditto, a little less overclocking)
3. Intel DG9650TMKR - (Rock solid board, great stock performance, compatible with everything)
3.5 GA-965GM-S2 - (Really good board, DS2 is just better)
4. Foxconn G9657MA-8EKRS2H - (BIOS away from moving to up a slot or two)
Notes- Still two months away from the X3000 performance driver, early beta shows a lot of promise, as in BF2 and other games will actually run now, Sims2 flies... . MSI board just arrived, G33/35 are still in early Alpha now, video will be DX10 base but once again, do not count on anything special. Main differences will be native 1333 support and new ICH9 Southbridge.

ATI X1250:
1. abit Fatal1ty F-I90HD - (only ATI chipset board we have for the C2D, great performer, on board graphics are decent, overclocking is up around 370FSB, really nice board) Only knock has been reliability but our last two boards have about 500 hours on them without any issues, the first board did fail.

VIA -
1. ASUS P5VD2-MX SE - (Decent performance, cheap, VIA does not fair as well with Intel)
2. Biostar P4M890-M7 - (ditto, need to test latest BIOS, price drop expected)

Intel Other -
1. Foxconn 946GZ7MA-8KS2H, MSI 945GM3-F, ECS 945G-M3, and a couple of new ASRock boards are under testing now....

SIS -
It will be June before we see the new chipset.

Best Intel- (until the tests are finished)
GA-965QM-DS2 / abit Fatal1ty F-I90HD (if we make it to 600 hours ;-) )
Special Mention to the Intel DG9650TMKR, not an overclocker really, great support and quality.

Best Overall Currently-
Still have not made up my mind although I have to by the weekend, still leaning to the AM2 boards to be quite honest based on overall price to performance values at this time. This obviously changes if you use an external PCIe graphics card but still it is hard to notice differences in games if you are comparing like priced CPUs, encoding and photoshop suffer on the AM2 platform when compared heads up to C2D.

Linux Support-

Hands down the NVIDIA 6100/6150 boards first then the Intel G965/945G/946GZ boards. VIA support was decent but the ATI/AMD chipsets are just not up to the level of the others, yet.

Hope this helps, more random thoughts later.
 

Wirrunna

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Thanks for the update Gary.
Bit late for me though, I got a MSI K9AGM2-FIH.

Still looking forward to the complete roundup.
 

Skott

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Gary, thanks for the update. Have you spoken to ABIT about the one F-I90HD mobo dying? People are still reporting some mobos dying in stock and OC form and there doesnt seem to be any particular pattern as to how or why.

Thanks,
Skott
 

tcsenter

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VIA -
1. ASUS P5VD2-MX SE - (Decent performance, cheap, VIA does not fair as well with Intel)
2. Biostar P4M890-M7 - (ditto, need to test latest BIOS, price drop expected)
Need to toss in a P4M900 board for 667MHz DDR2 support. The P4M890 doesn't perform any better than P4M800Pro with 533MHz DDR2 (PC3200 DDR400 actually performs better).

I have a brand new Foxconn P4M9007MB-8RS2H I'd be willing to furnish if you promise not to break it and give it back when you're done.

You could test the new Chrome9 HC IGP while you're at it.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: Gary Key
NV6100/6150
1. abit NF-M2 Nview (top overclocking/performance, very good features, mature board)
1.5 Biostar TForce 6100 (excellent performance, stability, features, OC behind abit)

Intel Other -
1. Foxconn 946GZ7MA-8KS2H, MSI 945GM3-F, ECS 945G-M3, and a couple of new ASRock boards are under testing now....

Heh, I'm on my second NF-M2 nView board (first just mysteriously died). Also have a Tforce6100-AM2 (dead NIC :| ). Just ordered an ASRock ConRoe1333-DVI/H for some C2D goodness. That's after going through several socket 754 Tforces and Geforces, and numerous socket 939 Tforces, and a bunch of Asus mATX SiS chipset socket 478 boards. All used to overclock.

I'm living la vida micro.
 

lopri

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Bumping this precious thread up for better visibility. I don't know how a thread with this much information (a quality one at that) is buried in 4th page with only 4 replies? I've been beta-testing Windows Home Server in my old HDD, and was looking to build a small foot-print rig with an mATX board, so information like this is priceless.

In case anyone's interested, here is a link to Microsoft's site (Windows Home Server).

http://connect.microsoft.com/WindowsHomeServer

I personally think this is going to be the next big thing. I believe you can still apply for beta-testing so if you ever took interested in accessing/backing-up your files remotely, it's a pretty good chance to try out a server version of Windows. It's based on Windows Server 2003 (the most stable and efficient Windows to date), and the UI is very easy to follow.
 

Skott

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Considering the review is going into its 4th week of being late alot of people have given up on watching for the info and already made their buying decision. Besides that the new Gigabyte DS2R is getting people's attention with its 400+ stable OC. If its as good as early tests show then it blows away anything ABIT or anyone else makes for mATX.
 

rexian96

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Thanks for bumping lopri, I'd have missed it for sure. The roundup is too late and most people, who were waiting, have already pulled the trigger. But there is always someone looking to buy and this roundup will definitely help. I am gonna order one this week, so some benches would have helped, I guess I'll have to rely on individual reviews available elsewhere. But these details also help, thanks Gary.
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: Skott
Besides that the new Gigabyte DS2R is getting people's attention with its 400+ stable OC.

450MHz, though the limitation at this point is the memory multipliers. Looks like there is no 1/1 ratio using 800MHz FSB chips so at 450MHz bus the RAM is at 563MHz, or DDR2 1123MHz.

Damn, and I just ordered an ASRock ConRoe1333-DVI/H too. Ah well, these new boards are probably gonna be fairly expensive and the ASRock was only $75.
 

Treripica

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Originally posted by: Gary Key
1. Biostar (best overall features, performance, pricing, support, limited fan control is a killer)
2. Sapphire (close but that x1 PCI-E location was a killer)

I only have marketing pictures to go by(oddly enough, with no common mobo orientation) and I'm trying to see the diff. b/w Sapphire's PCI-E X1 location and Abit's. I think I see sound headers/connectors between the 1x and end of the board, but I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?
 

xystic

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What did the GA-965QM-DS2 offer over the GA-965GM-S2 for it to be considered better, in terms of "Best Intel"?

The GA-965QM-DS2 is a Q965, whereas the latter is the G965: wouldn't the latter have better performance?

Also, why wasn't the GA-965QM-DS2 compared to the GA-965GM-DS2? Since the 'D' version of the G965 board also has all solid capacitors etc. ?
 

yehuda

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Gary, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Gigabyte ATX 690G board, which I plan to purchase when it becomes available. How's the build quality? Does the northbridge heatsink work well enough? Does the bundle include an HDMI to DVI adapter? Did Gigabyte deliver a Realtek 889 codec as they had promised in a press release?

Regarding the Asus boards, one guy at the SPCR forum said his northbridge runs very hot to the touch, and a google search came up with a couple of coinciding reports. This kind of worries me. Do you feel the heatsink is underspecified?
 

jackson18249

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Hey Gary, thanks for the update. I just wanted to give a heads up that with Asus's latest bios for their M2A-VM board, the PCI-E is finally locked at 100 MHz. Right now I am running with a 3600+ stable at 260*9.5 for 2.467 GHz on 1.39 V. Load temps are at 42 C. I can post at higher speeds but it is just refusing to boot into windows, so I will have to mess around with that later. Definitely not regretting my purchase anymore.
 

FireTech

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Originally posted by: yehuda
Regarding the Asus boards, one guy at the SPCR forum said his northbridge runs very hot to the touch, and a google search came up with a couple of coinciding reports. This kind of worries me. Do you feel the heatsink is underspecified?
I'd like to know too, although I've asked on Oz Forums and no-one is reporting a problem.

 

lopri

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In my opinion, at least one DVI port is minimum for these mATX boards that are targeting HTPC, SFF market today - CRT is dead (or dying) and if these boards are meant for multimedia PCs. Besides, who in their right mind would put a CRT in their living room? It was surprising and frustrating to find mATX boards with the specifications that I'd like, and have a DVI (or HDMI) port.
 

chucky2

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Originally posted by: yehuda
Gary, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Gigabyte ATX 690G board, which I plan to purchase when it becomes available. How's the build quality? Does the northbridge heatsink work well enough? Does the bundle include an HDMI to DVI adapter? Did Gigabyte deliver a Realtek 889 codec as they had promised in a press release?
OCWorkbench did a little review of this board...it's the one I'm waiting for to build another couple of systems:

Gigabyte GA-MA69G-S3H is first AMD 690G with CrossFire and HDMI/HDCP support mainboard

One bad thing is that it looks like in the description it uses the spanking new Realtek 889A codec, but in the pics it's clearly an 888. So hopefully they've got a pre-release board (but probably not), or they just re-used another pic from another board (I really hope that's the case).

5/15 EDIT: The person over at OCWorkbench that did the preview on this board posted in their Gigabyte forum that the final boards should have the 889A instead of the 888 that was pictured.

Chuck
 

FireTech

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The guy at OCWorkbench isn't the most reliable. He only does it because he likes his freebies...
 

Skott

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Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: Skott
Besides that the new Gigabyte DS2R is getting people's attention with its 400+ stable OC.

450MHz, though the limitation at this point is the memory multipliers. Looks like there is no 1/1 ratio using 800MHz FSB chips so at 450MHz bus the RAM is at 563MHz, or DDR2 1123MHz.

Damn, and I just ordered an ASRock ConRoe1333-DVI/H too. Ah well, these new boards are probably gonna be fairly expensive and the ASRock was only $75.


Let us know how that mobo works out for you, Zap. I'm eyeballing it as well as the GA-965QM-DS2
 

bpt8056

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Gary,

You stated that the details on the GeForce7050/nForce 630a will be available on May 15. Has the NDA been pushed back to another date again?
 

chucky2

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In the OCWorkbench thread I linked to above, the guy that did the preview clarified that the final board should have the Realtek 889A instead of the 888 that was pictured.

Lets all hope that happens...

Chuck
 

Zap

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Originally posted by: Skott
Originally posted by: Zap
Damn, and I just ordered an ASRock ConRoe1333-DVI/H too. Ah well, these new boards are probably gonna be fairly expensive and the ASRock was only $75.
Let us know how that mobo works out for you, Zap. I'm eyeballing it as well as the GA-965QM-DS2

Okay, maybe I'll do one of my mini reviews like I used to back when I had more time, LOL. I just got the board in today so have barely looked at it. I may not even get to play with it until the weekend.

Being that ASRock says it'll do 333MHz FSB, that's what I'm expecting. I've owned "factory overclocked" boards before and so far am 2-0 in success. Hoping for 3-0. The two were the Abit BX133-RAID (BX chipset officially did 100MHz max, but this did 133MHz with an AGP video card easier than any other BX chipset board I had) and the Asus P4S.... something. It was a SiS chipset that officially supported only up to 533MHz FSB, but Asus had an overclocked 800MHz FSB setting, and it really did work.
 

chucky2

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I just checked with Gigabyte again and they say their 690G mATX and full ATX boards should be available to buy the first week of June.

Chuck
 

Skott

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I found out today that the Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R is availble in Europe now.
 

Skott

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Well, AT missed another week it seems. I'm thinking this mATX Roundup Review was more of a Late April Fool's joke on us. :disgust:
 
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