Originally posted by: LTE
Between the DS2R and S2, the same thread notes that Raid, # of sata ports, and solid capacitors are the only differences. What difference does solid capacitors make?
Originally posted by: licuo
I see an article posted on the front page, but the link is invalid!
Originally posted by: JKing76
Why would you want an integrated-video chipset if you're going to immediately put in a dedicated graphics card?
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
None of those G33 boards were able to extract much speed from the 2160 CPU (800MHz chip). Could be a bum chip.
Originally posted by: JKing76
Why would you want an integrated-video chipset if you're going to immediately put in a dedicated graphics card?
Originally posted by: gorobei
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
None of those G33 boards were able to extract much speed from the 2160 CPU (800MHz chip). Could be a bum chip.
the strap modded 2160 did better. [Any thoughts on how the 4x00 chips might do? or will all 3.0+ overclocking require a pin mod?]
The gigabyte bios will likely go through a couple more versions before we see any significant increase in OC, if the 965 boards are any indication.
I'm probably going to wait for the G35 boards to come out. But that asus p5k-vm is very tempting.
(PS: I AM planning on a discrete graphics card and a large tower HS. The IGP, if it does HD output, is just gravy. Otherwise its just a backup if the videocard fails.)
Originally posted by: gorobei
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
None of those G33 boards were able to extract much speed from the 2160 CPU (800MHz chip). Could be a bum chip.
the strap modded 2160 did better. [Any thoughts on how the 4x00 chips might do? or will all 3.0+ overclocking require a pin mod?]
Originally posted by: hans007
reason being, integrated video is more or less half decent now an x3000 is maybe as fast as a 7100gs geforce.
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
A good P35 board has no problem overclocking these 800MHz chips up to 390MHz FSB range using 9x or 8x multi. Clearly this is an issue with G33 boards.
Originally posted by: Zap
Originally posted by: gorobei
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
None of those G33 boards were able to extract much speed from the 2160 CPU (800MHz chip). Could be a bum chip.
the strap modded 2160 did better. [Any thoughts on how the 4x00 chips might do? or will all 3.0+ overclocking require a pin mod?]
Strange, I did not see results on the BSEL modded E2160 for the MSI board. Oversight? The Asus and Gigabyte boards both gained 65MHz FSB, but nothing reported for the MSI. If it has similar gains, then the cheap board is "teh winnar" for me.
I'm thinking this has to do with FSB strap.
I've also encountered issues overclocking an 800MHz FSB CPU (E4300) on certain boards due to not having a lower memory multiplier, and thus causing the memory to be pushed too far.
Originally posted by: hans007
reason being, integrated video is more or less half decent now an x3000 is maybe as fast as a 7100gs geforce.
For 3d? I don't think it is quite there yet. It may do fine in some things (like Aero and 3DMock) but performance on Intel IGPs is erratic. The 7100GS "should" have more consistent performance and better IQ. Of course Gary didn't test IGP versus low end GPUs so we don't know that (from his article).
Originally posted by: SerpentRoyal
A good P35 board has no problem overclocking these 800MHz chips up to 390MHz FSB range using 9x or 8x multi. Clearly this is an issue with G33 boards.
It is probably a BIOS issue since the BIOS has control over FSB strap, internal timings and memory multipliers to the extent of what is available in the chipset. Just the fact that a bit of conductive ink on the CPU can suddenly push the overclock from the 2.8GHz range into the 3.4GHz range is pretty telling.
That's one thing I've seen in Abit boards in the past... FSB strap option in the BIOS. Don't know if current boards have it (SerpentRoyal?) but it had helped me with my Abit IS7 way BITD when overclocking low FSB chips.
Originally posted by: hans007
supposedly the x3000 with the newerst drivers in XP is pretty close to a 6200tc/7100gs (same card). most of the charts i've seen put it within 5%