Uber HOT PNY Geforce ti4200 64mg AGP (poss 128mg) 79$ at BBY (Dead)

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tbird57

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upgradaholic! Now thats a good title. I have the same addiction. I have six systems now, all with XP processors and 8500 cards or 4200 cards. The crazy thing about this is most go unused. Can't seem to pass on all the great deals. Am I crazy or what? Need to find a new hobby that costs less.
 

kevman

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BB's in NJ

Route 22 (Union) - OOS
Woodbridge - OOS ( might come in tommorow morning)
Paramus - 3 Open box ones on hte shelf

Anyone know about hte East brunswick one?
 

MetroFly

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if its 8x, it will say it everywhere. on the boot up screen it says 8x, in the display settings, device manager, etc.
 

Solema

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Your nvidia drivers should say "Ti4200 with AGP8X" if it is 8X and just "Ti4200" if it isn't.
 

Aztech

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Originally posted by: Pothead
Originally posted by: yodayoda
Originally posted by: Rally1
Originally posted by: Aztech
Ok, see if yall think I should bother with this. My system is:

Dell
Pentium 4 1.6GHz
384 MB of PC133
GeForce2 MX 32MB

I mean it sounds like this is a great card, but can my system take advantage? I wanna play UT 2003 and BF 1942. What you think?

I think yes, for $80 or $50 you can get alot better performance. Your system is fine.

edit: unclebud he has a 1.6Ghz cpu, by no means a "slow" cpu.

eck, PC133 ram? are you using an Intel 815 chipset? that is your biggest problem--you need a DDR system more than anything. yikes, you would have better performance with a Pentium 3 chip in that system.

Sounds like he's running a Dell GX240

Huh? No, It's a Dimension 4300. BTW will DeLL's cases accept other motherboards? I've heard complaints about them being proprietary in various ways.
 

Eddie33081

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Originally posted by: Eddie33081
This thing is a great upgrade for any gf2/3 card. I went from a gf2 pro gts at 4550 3dmark 2001 score to 11000 just by upgrading to this ti4200 and overclocking it a bit =) . Best 90$ I ever spent.

SOMETHING FISHY
**BTW everyone. I was reading around and am questioning the existance of a true 128mb Card. A friend of mine bought one of these that ended up being a 128mb card according to his computer but the thing looks exactly the same as mine. His default clock is 513 just like mine was which is a 64mb card. If you read around all the reviews show that in fact the 128mb cards memory is clocked slower at 444. To me this sounds like pny may have accidentally/purposely put the 128mb cards bios on a few of the 64mb cards which would fool your system into believing that it was a 128mb card. The only way to truly tell would be if someone took off the heatsinks on memory of the card and actually saw them labeled as 16mb each which would be 128mb. If anyone with the know how could take off the hs to find out whats really up with these cards it would be appreciated. It doesnt seem likely to me that pny or any other big company would mistakenly give out 128mb cards in 64mb boxes. And now best buy sells them for 79 bucks? Seems fishy. Anyway let me know what you guys think. THANKS***

I dont know guys about those 128mb cards. Just because it boots up as a 128mb card doesnt necessarily mean its 128mb. Your computer just reads off the cards bios. The cards seem to be exactly the same. The only way to really tell would be for someone to pull of the heatsinks and see 16mb chips on their 128mb card. When my computer boots it claims gf4ti4200 64mb agp 8x. In my adapter properties I get

Bus: AGP 4x
Memory: 64 mb

Bios: 4.28.40.21
Processor: Geforce 4 ti4200 with agp 8x

Sandras shows something slightly weird as well under video information with my card highlighted

SiSoftware Sandra

Video Adapter
Model : NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X

Total Memory : 63MB (63MB Video) (128MB AGP)

Texture Memory : 191MB
Supports DIME Texturing : Yes
Video Chipset : GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
RAMDAC Chipset : Integrated RAMDAC
Video BIOS : Version 4.28.4021

Notice the Total memory.

Not trying to discourage a 128mb card but just saying there might be a reason to question it. Anyone with the correct knowledge of video cards willing to add??
 

StayPuff

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Originally posted by: Aztech
Huh? No, It's a Dimension 4300. BTW will DeLL's cases accept other motherboards? I've heard complaints about them being proprietary in various ways.

They can be. I put a K7M in a Dell case, but I had to lose the PSU (different pinout of the ATX connector) and the power/reset switches and HDD LEDs didn't match up either to the motherboard header. I wound up adding my own buttons to the case and resigned myself to pretending that my LEDs worked!
 

jimmygates

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Originally posted by: Eddie33081
Originally posted by: Eddie33081
This thing is a great upgrade for any gf2/3 card. I went from a gf2 pro gts at 4550 3dmark 2001 score to 11000 just by upgrading to this ti4200 and overclocking it a bit =) . Best 90$ I ever spent.

SOMETHING FISHY
**BTW everyone. I was reading around and am questioning the existance of a true 128mb Card. A friend of mine bought one of these that ended up being a 128mb card according to his computer but the thing looks exactly the same as mine. His default clock is 513 just like mine was which is a 64mb card. If you read around all the reviews show that in fact the 128mb cards memory is clocked slower at 444. To me this sounds like pny may have accidentally/purposely put the 128mb cards bios on a few of the 64mb cards which would fool your system into believing that it was a 128mb card. The only way to truly tell would be if someone took off the heatsinks on memory of the card and actually saw them labeled as 16mb each which would be 128mb. If anyone with the know how could take off the hs to find out whats really up with these cards it would be appreciated. It doesnt seem likely to me that pny or any other big company would mistakenly give out 128mb cards in 64mb boxes. And now best buy sells them for 79 bucks? Seems fishy. Anyway let me know what you guys think. THANKS***

I dont know guys about those 128mb cards. Just because it boots up as a 128mb card doesnt necessarily mean its 128mb. Your computer just reads off the cards bios. The cards seem to be exactly the same. The only way to really tell would be for someone to pull of the heatsinks and see 16mb chips on their 128mb card. When my computer boots it claims gf4ti4200 64mb agp 8x. In my adapter properties I get

Bus: AGP 4x
Memory: 64 mb

Bios: 4.28.40.21
Processor: Geforce 4 ti4200 with agp 8x

Sandras shows something slightly weird as well under video information with my card highlighted

SiSoftware Sandra

Video Adapter
Model : NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X

Total Memory : 63MB (63MB Video) (128MB AGP)

Texture Memory : 191MB
Supports DIME Texturing : Yes
Video Chipset : GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X
RAMDAC Chipset : Integrated RAMDAC
Video BIOS : Version 4.28.4021

Notice the Total memory.

Not trying to discourage a 128mb card but just saying there might be a reason to question it. Anyone with the correct knowledge of video cards willing to add??



That total AGP memory might be the AGP Aperture memory setting in system BIOS. I believe the aperture setting the bios is for you to dedicate a portion of your system RAM to the AGP card when the video card runs out of memory. Sandra reads the information off your sytem BIOS also. Most likely your card is really a 64MB card and 64MB AGP Aperture memory setting in the BIOS which equals 128mb.


-Jimbo



 

thongie

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if that is the case that the hunt for the 128 mg card is pointless, because of the fact that it might just be a 64 mg card after all. I think $79 is a decent price for the card.
 

Eddie33081

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Actually my agp aperture size in my bios is set to 256mb (half my system ram). So I dont think thats what it is but it could be related. Someone over at the hard forums just pulled of the Heatsink on there card and it reads:

Samsung 247
K4D28163HD-TC40

Thats on a 128mb card. Another guy is currently doing it on a 64mb card so if they are the same then they are either all 128mb cards with a different bios or 64mb with a different bios. Hopefully for us they are 128mb cards and we can all flash them to the 128mb bios to make them fully effective.


Anyone here wanna pull a heatsink of theirs?
 

ww4397

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Originally posted by: Eddie33081
...Hopefully for us they are 128mb cards and we can all flash them to the 128mb bios to make them fully effective.

Watch all the opened box (i.e. 64MB) returns fly off the shelf if they really are 128's with a 64 bios.

 

unclebud

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"edit: unclebud he has a 1.6Ghz cpu, by no means a "slow" cpu."
where did i say that? WHY would i say that? 1.3 cel is the fastest i OWN
"I hope that someone can determine if we all got so excited about nothing."
happens all the time in this forum
 

ww4397

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Originally posted by: Eddie33081
Someone over at the hard forums just pulled of the Heatsink on there card and it reads:

Samsung 247
K4D28163HD-TC40

Here is a link to that memory. Can someone who knows, please look it over and let us know what these chips are? Here is a little of what the site says:

K4D28163HD
2M x 16Bit x 4 Banks Double Data Rate Synchronous DRAM with Bi-directional Data Strobe and DLL

...

Part No. Max Freq. Max Data Rate Interface Package
K4D28163HD-TC40 250MHz 500Mbps/pin SSTL_2 66pin TSOP-II




[EDIT]

Is this the correct math:

2M x 16bit x 4Banks = 1,000,000 x 2 x 16 x 4 = 128,000,000 bits

64,000,000 bits / 8 bits/byte = 16,000,000 bytes = 16MB

So there are 16MB per ram chip.

If there are 8 chips on the board, then it is a 128MB card. If there are 4 chips, then it would be 64MB.

I can't remember how many chips are on the "128MB" card.

 

Rphman

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I had both a 64meg and a 128meg card, had the 64 installed then was able to get a 128. I had them side by side and compared them, there was a big difference in the 2 cards. the 64 had heat sinks on both sides the 128 only on one side. The colors of the boards were slightly different, there were different capacitors in all different locations. It was very easy to see the boards were totally different, it just wasn't that there was just memory added. The 64 card was just a 4x so maybe that had something to do with it? So I don't think they are the same with different bios's. Another thing that was wierd was that the boxes with the "crushes" sticker were the newer boxes this might not be true as the cd in my box had a higher revision # on it. I don't have it here but I wrote them both down at home this makes me think the newer boxes have the 128 in them. I got my 128 when a new supply came in at my BB yesterday, sucks that only 1 came in!!
 

stopNshop

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Just found that memory clock of the card can only be clocked at multiplier of 27 Mhz because it uses a 27 Mhz PLL generator. If that is true, the card can be clocked either 594 or 621 Mhz, and it cannot be clocked at 600 Mhz.
 

StayPuff

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Originally posted by: stopNshop
Just found that memory clock of the card can only be clocked at multiplier of 27 Mhz because it uses a 27 Mhz PLL generator. If that is true, the card can be clocked either 594 or 621 Mhz, and it cannot be clocked at 600 Mhz.

Mine goes at 648 just dandy!
 

Solema

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Originally posted by: stopNshop
Just found that memory clock of the card can only be clocked at multiplier of 27 Mhz because it uses a 27 Mhz PLL generator. If that is true, the card can be clocked either 594 or 621 Mhz, and it cannot be clocked at 600 Mhz.

Very interesting. I am not sure how that works then, because programs are able to alter the speed usually in 1MHz increments. If you do the math, though, 513MHz (default clock on 8X cards) = 27MHz X 19 Multiplier. It makes sense as to how they came to 513MHz for the base clock.
 

KIAman

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Well you can clock it to 600mhz but it will bump it down to 594, lol. Atleast thats what happened to me when I clocked it through the detonater drivers.
 

Salvador

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Ok.. I've read so many conflicting things. Bottom line.. If I have the choice between a 128 mb 8X card and a 64 mb 8X card, which one do I keep?

TIA,

Sal
 

rickon66

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Salvador, Keep the 128Mb. On the new 128mb cards the memory is the same speed as the 64mb models.
 

adeno

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Decided to go jump on this deal..

Best Buy Reno, Nevada had the card out of stock (actually I couldn't even find the product info.. looks like someone pulled it.
However, I did order online via one of the computers there, and the price did indeed show up as $79.99 ($90 off). I went ahead and ordered it, hopefully when (and if) it ships, I'll get the 128mb 8x one
 
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