Ubisoft: I Am Alive cancelled on the PC cause "so few people are paying for PC games"

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Blitzvogel

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Truth is that the PC is riddled with piracy, yes, and as long as the internet continues to drive usage of our devices, it always will. In a way, the PC almost is around to draw fire, so the other platforms have a chance XD. While the PS3 currently is a pretty tough nut to crack, the 360 on the other hand, is not, and piracy of course runs rampant on that system, despite all the XBox Live connectivity.

Of course, the only real way to escape piracy is with streaming, but even still, someone could hack an account or server.

The best thing devs can do (I think, and without ridiculous laws that may breech privacy) is to focus on creating excellent games, plain and simple. Get the gamers excited for the product, and convince them that their hard earned money is worth giving away instead of criminalizing them. Implementing DRM means having something that is non-intrusive, and runs in the background, with the user aware of it's existence. Steam is the best example of this. It works awesomely, and the features Steam provides are certainly worth having too.
 

MustangSVT

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Anyone who has been around the internet long enough knows that this is not true.

How do I know this? Cuz I know plenty of people who pirate PC games from torrent sites. I don't know anybody with a console who pirates.

okay. I would have been more than happy to accept your comparison.

I had much fun with modded PS2's back in the day, and I know a lot of people with modded wii's

ahhh... now it all makes sense.
 

IEC

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Jun 10, 2004
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Ns1, I expected better from you.

The following is a true statement: All electronically reproducible media is widely pirated (particularly in third-world countries or regions locked out of content).

This does not in any way stop good developers and publishers who respect the consumer from profiting.

Ubisoft made strategic blunder after strategic blunder in the PC segment, so they can curse their own ineptitude for their decision to cancel a PC game.
 
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Ubisoft hates PC gamers & everyone knows this.
If their games don't sell on PC, then how terrible is their numbers on Steam?
If not for Prince of Persia series being on PC, I wouldn't have played it. Excellent series.

But then they leave Beyond Good & Evil botched to shit & unplayable. Then any attempt at fan fixes is against their TOS.
I dislike Ubisoft for their bullshit moves in the industry. But they are awesome when they do put forth the effort to not be a douchebag of a company.
 

destrekor

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people aren't buying pc games?

Bethesda Game Studios disagrees. make a good game and people will buy it.

Exactly. I used to be pretty indiscriminate with my game purchases, but now... (in addition to getting sucked into iRacing), I very rarely purchase games. So many things I want to do, and so many varied tastes, there is a back log of games I've "wanted" to play but haven't gotten around to purchasing them.

It's the stellar AAA titles (and some indy games) that end up holding onto my attention prior to release for so long (and critical reception is insanely positive), that ultimately find their way into my home right around release date. Even then, sometimes I don't end up getting to put a lot of time into those games and I have a lot of games that have gone unplayed (or unfinished) for awhile.

Quite a few PS3 games have released recently that I really want to get, but I have a feeling I won't get around to those until they are super cheap. And even then, I might briefly forget about them if some super amazing game acts like a black hole for my attention due to hype/reception.

Since I know how I am, and invest a regular amount of time into very specific things (like iRacing and BF3 currently)... I think I am maturing a bit with my gaming budget. That's just games though, the gaming budget does not include spending way too much money on the equipment to play the game. Just upgraded my PC and spent far more than I should have (but is so so so awesome even though it's not killer top end).


As for piracy, considering I have intimately known the scene quite well and people crazed for it, multiplayer games don't really lose much in the way of sales to the world of piracy... DRM and online-access being so locked down these days, they've taken care of that problem quite well (almost too well, considering how much a pain in the ass it can be for some people).
And while many do pirate a game to play the singleplayer and that's all they ever wanted, there are many who download it to try the SP, get addicted to the gameplay itself, and crave MP enough to go and buy it, and some also download it just to see how everything came together and whether it's worth their purchase or not.


And a lot of piracy is simply "lost sales that never were." Many people pirate a game because they can, and they want to play it and enjoy it... but they have no intention of ever purchasing it. So, while they have access to something they should not, the publisher was never going to see that person as a sales figure one way or the other.

Think of how many people continue to pirate the expensive PC applications/suites... for instance, Photoshop / the Adobe design suite... a lot of people would not even consider paying for it outright, but have no qualms acquiring it to use it since that option is technically on the table.

One can debate the morals/ethics of the situation, but in reality... PC game developers are not losing stacks of cash to piracy, because they really aren't losing nearly as many sales as they would lead you to believe.
A lot of PC gamers can be a little more picky about game quality, as well as development-related issues (stability and whatnot). And let's not forget the number of PC gamers who also own a console and tend to get more games on consoles and are very specific about what types of titles (or again, the quality/development standards) they decide to get for their PC. I'm sort of that way... I have certain games I want on my PS3, and certain I'd rather have on my PC.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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As others have hinted at, Ubi took a shit on PC gamers and their sales got worse. It's not brain surgery as to why; not like piracy of their titles got any easier or harder.
 

duragezic

Lifer
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They're absolutely right. More copies of PC games are pirated than are sold.

Keep fighting DRM and blaming the publishers. When they all leave and all you have are indie games, you'll reap what you've sewn.
Yep. Then I can't believe when the same people turn around and bitch when the PC version is delayed, costs the same as the console version, or it doesn't have a bunch of extra features that few care about.

And that PR rep is kind of right. When something like this happens, the forums fill up with whiners "pfft ubisoft sux neways" "draconian DRM" "now I won't buy the game anyway". How many people really were interested in this game anyway? I never even heard of it.

And claiming piracy rates on consoles is comparable to PCs is a joke.

Not that some of these DRM schemes are bad, or a game gets ported poorly, but sheesh people the amount of whining and trashing of games (1 star bogus reviews) over trivial shit is going to leave the PC market with fewer and fewer big titles.
 

jinsaotomex4

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And claiming piracy rates on consoles is comparable to PCs is a joke.
But it is, the one big factor that many of these reports ignore, is that in third world countries (where fast internet access is a luxury) they just sell the bootlegs in cases (or even at the local chinatown) at the local game store. This means that a good chunk of non-download piracy isn't being counted since it is not downloaded over and over.

The piracy rate for handhelds is huge as well, but that is something that is often left out, because then they can't use PC gamers as scapegoats. Then if you take it a step further, they also dislike used game sales which was the whole reason for the creation of the online pass which more games are slowly adapting.

The best part of all of this is that despite everything, Ubisoft is just crapping on their own fans and not on the guys who pirate and don't really care if Ubisoft goes under or not. Not releasing the games for PC isn't gonna fix the issue either, because people will just pirate more on consoles, making the rates appear even higher than they currently are.
 

Jaskalas

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Darwinism for Devs. Ubisoft will be replaced by someone who isn't afraid of the PC.
 

DirkGently1

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I look forward to the day when all PC game development stops, and the thieveing scum no longer have ANY games to play on that platform.

Every single person who has ever downloaded a game illegally should be put against a wall and shot. Nothing would make the world a better place than having less whiney kids around.
 

Ancalagon44

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They're absolutely right. More copies of PC games are pirated than are sold.

Keep fighting DRM and blaming the publishers. When they all leave and all you have are indie games, you'll reap what you've sewn.

Wait I've got a tiny violin somewhere, let me play it for you.

Are you serious? That would be AWESOME! I can play AAA games on console, with no DRM anyway, and indie games on PC, made by people who actually have souls. Best of both worlds!

So you're saying we should stop fighting DRM and let it anal probe us?
 

zerogear

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Yep. Then I can't believe when the same people turn around and bitch when the PC version is delayed, costs the same as the console version, or it doesn't have a bunch of extra features that few care about.

And that PR rep is kind of right. When something like this happens, the forums fill up with whiners "pfft ubisoft sux neways" "draconian DRM" "now I won't buy the game anyway". How many people really were interested in this game anyway? I never even heard of it.

And claiming piracy rates on consoles is comparable to PCs is a joke.

Not that some of these DRM schemes are bad, or a game gets ported poorly, but sheesh people the amount of whining and trashing of games (1 star bogus reviews) over trivial shit is going to leave the PC market with fewer and fewer big titles.

That would be great. Leave the market and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Nowadays when I buy games I look at the DRM first: TAGES 3 machine activation, SecuROM 5 machine activation. GFWL. These games I will not buy until it hits 5 to 10 dollar range; usually even lower. Just not worth it, if you're not going to respect me as a customer, why should I pay full price for your game. Heck, by the time it hits those prices I probably already have forgotten about it.

As for Ubisoft stuff. I just don't buy their PC games. Period.

This game is about an earthquake survival game. Looked interesting until I saw published. Kthxbai
 
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marino.DV

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well let's just hope Blizzard won't turn to console to.....
but with titles like Starcraft and Diablo being released only for PC don't really care what Ubi thinks
 

Sureshot324

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Console gamers have a much higher tolerance for flashy games with shit gameplay. Take Gears of War for example. The game sold great on consoles but every PC gamer I know thought it was shit. Epic says piracy is killing pc gaming and now release the GoW games exclusively for consoles.
 

shortylickens

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Console gamers have a much higher tolerance for flashy games with shit gameplay.
Thats pretty much exactly how I feel, but I got tired of railing against consoles a long time ago. We still have plenty of good junk to play, especially dollar indie games that are much more fun than anything else coming out.
 

Nebor

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I look forward to the day when all PC game development stops, and the thieveing scum no longer have ANY games to play on that platform.

Every single person who has ever downloaded a game illegally should be put against a wall and shot. Nothing would make the world a better place than having less whiney kids around.

Yup, virtually everyone I know that worked\works in the IT field feels it's their god given right to pirate games. They usually use the same tired music piracy excuse "I wouldn't have bought it anyway." And plenty of them act like you're a complete idiot if you don't pirate games.
 

irishScott

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Yup, virtually everyone I know that worked\works in the IT field feels it's their god given right to pirate games. They usually use the same tired music piracy excuse "I wouldn't have bought it anyway." And plenty of them act like you're a complete idiot if you don't pirate games.

I pirated Warcraft III back in the day when my parents wouldn't give me the money to buy it. When I got my own money, I bought it. *shrug*
 

TakeNoPrisoners

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Ubisoft crys so much about this. Valve, Bethesda, Blizzard ect don't cry because even with pirating they still can sell games.

Ubsoft's games just are flat out bad. They just cannot sell anything on the PC.
 

duragezic

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That would be great. Leave the market and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Nowadays when I buy games I look at the DRM first: TAGES 3 machine activation, SecuROM 5 machine activation. GFWL. These games I will not buy until it hits 5 to 10 dollar range; usually even lower. Just not worth it, if you're not going to respect me as a customer, why should I pay full price for your game. Heck, by the time it hits those prices I probably already have forgotten about it.

As for Ubisoft stuff. I just don't buy their PC games. Period.

This game is about an earthquake survival game. Looked interesting until I saw published. Kthxbai
That's what's weird. I hear people say that and it makes me wonder if they're really PC gamers. Maybe they can go play the game on a 360 but I don't have a console because I don't want one. I'd rather have the option of playing a game on PC.

An DRM I just don't find to be the problem that people claim. The only thing I don't like is limited activations with no deactivation possible. The only game I have like this is Stalker Clear Sky retail which I still have 4/5 activations left after several years.

Granted if you upgraded machines a bit more than that you'd have less and that's why for longevity of the game, I don't like the limited activations. But for the rest, I don't have any issue with as it activates in a couple of seconds and that's it. A few others I have to deactivate being removing or upgrading a machine but it's not a big deal.
 
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