Ubuntu 10.10 -- A Perfect 10?

[VinDSL]

I dunno. It's a sickness, I guess...

I've (pretty much) honed 10.04 to perfection. Now I'm bored, sooo...

I just did a virgin (ahem) install of Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha 3.

The Ubuntu 10.10 installer was a joy -- a major improvement!

Other than that, we'll see how it goes...

 

[joetekubi]

nice machine name, dude. They DO rule us, you know....

 

[Tbirdkid]

The latest releases of ubuntu have been great. They have come along way...

 

[Nothinman]

The Ubuntu 10.10 installer was a joy -- a major improvement!

What was wrong with the old one? Not that I've used the new one, so I don't even know what's changed.

 

[lxskllr]

What was wrong with the old one? Not that I've used the new one, so I don't even know what's changed.

Ya, I'm not sure how it could get easier. Pick your language, pick your keyboard, partition(easy auto partition, or custom), and give yourself a name and password. The only way I could see it being easier is if it read your mind, and eliminated a few button presses :^D

 

[KeypoX]

hmm going to give it a try, maybe they fixed suspend this round?

 

[Nothinman]

hmm going to give it a try, maybe they fixed suspend this round?

Maybe. But most suspend issues are driver or hardware related, just like in Windows.

 

[VinDSL]

Ya, I'm not sure how it could get easier.[...]

Well...

I've installed 10s (maybe 100s) of distros. It was my primary hobby, for a couple of years.

IMHO, there are any number of installers that are easier, e.g. more intuitive, than previous versions of Ubuntu.

The *thing* that always messed me up was the partitioning regime that Ubu used. It wasn't logical, and required 2 screens (if I remember correctly). I've never been able to use the 'auto' partitioning feature, because it either judged my multi-boot setup incorrectly, or put things where I didn't want them to be. It was V confusing for me, and caused quite a bit of angst.

The new installer is up to par with the competition. It was a very pleasant experience.

There was no wailing, gnashing of teeth, or renting of clothes, when I got to the partitioning section! :awe:

 

[VinDSL]

What was wrong with the old one?

Nothing, but I like to 'dick around' with my installs.

I'm always tweaking whatever OS I'm running. 10.04 was becoming boring...

Besides, I wanted to use the latest Linux Kernel (2.6.35) -- the one that Linus Torvalds has been warning about:

'Be careful' warning accompanies latest Linux kernel. Unfinished code makes Torvalds unhappy.​

Sounds like fun, eh what? :sneaky:

Speaking of warnings...

I know I don't have to tell you guys this, but 10.10 is a rough alpha. I don't recommend running it as your primary OS until it's a 'Perfect 10".

10.10 final will be released on 10/10/10 -- aka Perfect 10. In the meantime, expect problems!

 

[Nothinman]

The *thing* that always messed me up was the partitioning regime that Ubu used. It wasn't logical, and required 2 screens (if I remember correctly). I've never been able to use the 'auto' partitioning feature, because it either judged my multi-boot setup incorrectly, or put things where I didn't want them to be. It was V confusing for me, and caused quite a bit of angst

Partitioning is always one of those things that will be rough because it's either too simple or too complicated, there's no middle of the road. I've always hated the GUI Ubuntu installer because I couldn't use LVM in it, I had to use the alternate installer for that which is basically the ncurses Debian installer rebranded.

I know I don't have to tell you guys this, but 10.10 is a rough alpha. I don't recommend running it as your primary OS until it's a 'Perfect 10".

Ubuntu's betas and alphas have always been rough because they push so much into them. I would never recommend them for anyone except for developers or people willing to file bugs and deal with them until they're fixed.

 

[SickBeast]

hmm going to give it a try, maybe they fixed suspend this round?

In my experience, using a different kernel fixed any suspend issues I was having with Ubuntu.

Google "ubuntu mainline kernel", and try out a few to see if it works out for you.

 

[KeypoX]

In my experience, using a different kernel fixed any suspend issues I was having with Ubuntu.

Google "ubuntu mainline kernel", and try out a few to see if it works out for you.

thanks for the tip.

 

[SickBeast]

thanks for the tip.

You're welcome.

 

[Apathetic]

Not having any support for LVM in the main installer has been a big pet peeve of mine for quite a while now. Has anyone been able to find out why they simply don't include this feature? (Yes, I know it's in the alternate installer).

Dave

Partitioning is always one of those things that will be rough because it's either too simple or too complicated, there's no middle of the road. I've always hated the GUI Ubuntu installer because I couldn't use LVM in it, I had to use the alternate installer for that which is basically the ncurses Debian installer rebranded.



Ubuntu's betas and alphas have always been rough because they push so much into them. I would never recommend them for anyone except for developers or people willing to file bugs and deal with them until they're fixed.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Ya, I'm not sure how it could get easier. Pick your language, pick your keyboard, partition(easy auto partition, or custom), and give yourself a name and password. The only way I could see it being easier is if it read your mind, and eliminated a few button presses :^D

Do they allow for custom LVM partitioning in the standard desktop installer yet? I always hated that I have to use the ugly alternate installer when setting up an Ubuntu system.

edit: lulz, didn't read the whole thread before I asked.

 

[Nothinman]

Not having any support for LVM in the main installer has been a big pet peeve of mine for quite a while now. Has anyone been able to find out why they simply don't include this feature? (Yes, I know it's in the alternate installer).

Dave

I doubt it's there because it does complicate things a bit. But if they'd done it a few years ago it would've saved a lot of people headaches from the /dev/blah->UUID transition they did.

 

[VinDSL]

Do they allow for custom LVM partitioning in the standard desktop installer yet?

Not yet. I've installed 10.10 thrice, in three days, and I haven't seen it in the options.

I'm dual-booting this machine. It was 9.10/10.04. Now, it's 10.04/10.10. I'm using ext4, mostly because it makes disk rescues easier.

As fate would have it (and on par with other Ubu alpha/betas), the same day that I decided to install it, an update broke xserver -- but only for nvidia users.

LoL! Does this sound familiar?!?!? Happens every release...

I've been doing a fresh install in the morning, farting around with workarounds all day, and wiping the partition at night.

No biggie! I expect this with alphas, and I haven't been disappointed.

They'll fix the xserver problem, sooner or later. They always do... :sneaky:

 

[Nothinman]

As fate would have it (and on par with other Ubu alpha/betas), the same day that I decided to install it, an update broke xserver -- but only for nvidia users.

LoL! Does this sound familiar?!?!? Happens every release...

Which is a great example as to why non-free drivers are harmful to users.

 

[SickBeast]

I haven't been able to install Maverick at all yet. It won't even get to the bootloader without crashing.

I'm trying today's daily build to see how it goes.

 

[VinDSL]

I haven't been able to install Maverick at all yet.[...]

Sorry for being rudimentary but, maybe you have a bad burn, yes?

Alpha 3 installs just fine on my desktop. LoL! I do it every morning, but my install has yet to survive an update -- safe update or not. The default install works fine, for me, though.

I *think* part of my problem is, I'm running an nVidia GeForce 7600GT card.

I *suspect* if I bought an nVidia card with modern chipset, I wouldn't be having this update problem, but...

I'll wait until they get around to fixing the 'ancient iron' problem in the repos... :\

 

[lxskllr]

How modern does it have to be? :^D I wouldn't consider a 7x series card to be old by any stretch. It might not be the latest, greatest gamer, but they still work great for 2D, and low impact 3D. I'm still running a Ti4200 on my bedroom machine. That was one of the all time greatest hardware purchases I've made. It had enough balls to get me through the 5x fiasco without going ATI, and bought me enough time until the 6800 came out :^)

 

[VinDSL]

How modern does it have to be? :^D

I'm just going by what the whiners are saying, over in the Ubu Dev Forums. They don't know more than anyone else, as to what the problem is, but...

It would *seem* that -- some nVidia users are having problems with the current upgrades -- and some nVidia users aren't. The difference being, if you're running an older nVidia chipset, or not. Water off a duck's back, in my case.

Experience tells me, there are a LOT of liars in forums, and they like to scare you into thinking your 'ancient iron' isn't sufficient to run version X.

I've learned to be patient about these things. It's a matter of priorities -- theirs, not mine.

After all, I have a perfectly functional install of 10.04 LTS on this machine. I'll simply play out the clock, and wait for them to address the situation.

I'm with you! This machine is the equivalent of a '55 Chevy, with a '454'.

LoL! I don't plan to change my hardware, just so I can upgrade a rough alpha release...

 

[SickBeast]

Sorry for being rudimentary but, maybe you have a bad burn, yes?

I ran it from a USB drive. I tried the Alpha 3 along with several daily builds. I always got the same problem. It said that there was some sort of error with the bootloader.

TBH Maverick doesn't seem all that exciting to me. There aren't many new features at all this time around.

 

[VinDSL]

TBH Maverick doesn't seem all that exciting to me. There aren't many new features at all this time around.

Freezing at Plymouth is more exciting than bootloader errors! LoL! :awe:

Linux is what you make it...

Truth be told, I strip most of the cruft out of Ubuntu anyway.

I mostly want to run the latest kernel -- that's all.

 

[VinDSL]

Well... I finally got my foot in the door. Hallelujah!

I was starting to think this would be a 'Lost Weekend', but I hit the right combination.

Here's what I did:

• I booted into 10.04, purged my entire GRUB2 setup, and reinstalled it.
  
• I did (yet another) fresh install of 10.10 Alpha 3. This time, I used the standard Nouveau drivers, instead of proprietary drivers.
  
• I installed Aptitude-GTK, and did a 'safe-upgrade'.

Bingo! I'm up and running with the latest Linux 2.6.35-15-generic kernel (and Gnome 2.31.6) .

Onwards & upwards!

EDIT

Oh, joy!

Google Chrome works great in 10.10. And, I got rid of Totem, in Firefox, and replaced it with MPlayer.

Things are looking up!

Conky next?!?!?