UCI sophomore accused of rape... *NOW WITH PIC**PIC NOW REMOVED**PIC HAS BEEN RE-ADDED*

[Pabster]

Guys, Innocent until proven Guilty. That's how it works in this country.

 

[halik]

umm there are some perverts on this board (hint ^^^)

 

[Hoeboy]

<<Yes, I agree that he comitted a crime. But why the punishment is so severe? Do you understand that the guy will have to spend all his life in hell just coz the girl helped him pop his cherry once? Yes, I understand she didn't like it, of course. To be fair, let her rape him and it's settled. Why take entire man's life?>>

how did the girl "help" him??

 

[Hoeboy]

okay to put it in simpler terms, don't you think the girl has to deal with the physical and emotional trauma for life? come on she's 15. she's so young and probably at the age of 50-60, she'll still think back and cry. that kinda pain she has to endure and you don't think he should suffer for long? your logic makes no sense.

 

[rh71]

Orcish, would you go and rape a girl right now ? No. Why? Because you would be making that "one mistake" and you know the consequences. You don't want to ruin your life.

It's too bad for him that he did it anyway. Now his life should be ruined... unless he's mentally ill. Then there are alternatives...

Leave him a chance to start a new life? You do that and any female in this country would not be safe from rapists... since these rapists would know they WILL have another chance at life... think about it. Think about your daughter (when and if you have one)... That's why there are laws and consequences.

 

[Juniper]

I think the girl was very stupid to go and meet someone she did not even know of.

 

[rh71]

Orcish, can I just ask how old you are?

Ditto on the above post, it should have never happened in the first place.

 

[Hoeboy]

<<Don't U think that she didn't provocate him? In cases of rape, girl provocation is almost always the cause of rape. And anyway, even if he made her suffer a bit, his life literally ends the day he is imprisoned. Just think about it. A young, successful sophomore with supposedly bright future. He could have a good well-paid job, be married with kids etc. And what now? He has to spend his entire life in hell among dirty, stinkie people - I don't even want to write about the nightmare he will have to go through every day for years on end. I fully expect them to jail him for 20 years. Yikes. Imagine youself in such a situation, noone is safe from jail. Yes, he should be punished, but not so severely. They should leave him a chance to start a new life. >>

Why are you feeling such compassion for someone who decided to rape a minor? How did you make the assumption that she led him on? Did it mention anywhere that she dressed provocatively or flirted? How can you even assume a girl is leading you on and wants sex? Maybe all girls should dress like the women in Afghanistan as to not turn anyone on?

I totally disagree that he could be successful in life with a great family. You know why? Because you chose to throw all that away for one "mistake." Yes it's a mistake but not a boo-boo like you accidently spilling coffee. It's a mistake that ruined that girl's life and his. He's 20 years old right? Pretty well damn old enough to realize the path he chose. He's already going to a decent school. Probably 3 more years to go til he's out of college and he guess it was more worth it to commit the crime. Your argument may work for a minor and by minor I mean very very young. But at the age of 20, his mistake is more of a choice.

 

[Juniper]

Don't make me laugh. You don't know 15 year old girls well, I think. Do you think that sex matters any much to them or to boys? Most teenagers don't even notice a heck when they loose virginity etc. And they make sex so much at 15 that if U could know it you'd be sick. I'm sure she didn't feel a heck, at least psychologically. 60 years? Are you kidding? She'll forget it the next day, believe me. I know them girls.



Are you a girl? :| Granted she was stupid enough to go out and meet that sicko of a guy. But I dont think that an ordeal like that is forgotten in a day. Man, she was beaten and raped, some more by a guy she barely knew!

 

[CocaCola5]

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<< are you hiding something from us orcish? maybe that "you know the girls like it" mentality is exactly what rapist thinks. no comment. >>



Yes, I agree that he comitted a crime. But why the punishment is so severe? Do you understand that the guy will have to spend all his life in hell just coz the girl helped him pop his cherry once? Yes, I understand she didn't like it, of course. To be fair, let her rape him and it's settled. Why take entire man's life?

And I'm by far not a pervert or a rapist. I live strictly according to the law. But such cases make me sick. >>





Often, methods of deterrence can lead to unfair consequences, live and learn the hard way I guess.

 

[Hoeboy]

<<Don't make me laugh. You don't know 15 year old girls well, I think. Do you think that sex matters any much to them or to boys? Most teenagers don't even notice a heck when they loose virginity etc. And they make sex so much at 15 that if U could know it you'd be sick. I'm sure she didn't feel a heck, at least psychologically. 60 years? Are you kidding? She'll forget it the next day, believe me. I know them girls. >>

From this post I rest my case. I don't think I want to waste anymore time trying to instill some logic in you.

And yeah she shouldn't have done what she did. It was dangerous but regardless, she didn't deserve it.

 

[rh71]

And let's not forget that Mr. Brian Dance was apprehended while going to meet another potential victim... the same place at the same mall... in all belief, he INTENDED to do it again...

You want to set him free? One mistake? I don't think so...

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

If the allegations are true, he took something away from that girl that nobody can ever give back.

Rape is a violent crime. He should be a considered as a violent criminal... a danger to society. As such he should be removed from society. The length of sentence should be proportional with the crime committed. Life in some cases is an appropriate sentence for rape.

Orcish - you are nothing but a troll.

 

[Hoeboy]

BTW, even if he doesn't get life, he's labeled as a sex offender for life right? Meaning everywhere he moves to, the authority would be alerted?

 

[Juniper]

This Brian Dance guy seems to have completely lost it. To intend to do it one more time.... ??!!

 

[GigaCluster]

So in your opinion, Orcish, how should Brian Dance be punished?

 

[anonymouschris]

orcish,
i don't mean to be offensive, but ppl with your mentality will raise f*cked up children. i mean, if everyone saw things the way you did, and consequently lived their lives by your rules, i am definite that there will be a lot more crime in this world. i dont want my children living remotely close to yours, nor would i want them to live remotely close to you. furthermore, i am glad i dont live in a country ran by a governement with your beliefs. i also dont think its fair for you to pass judgement on how the girl values sex and very possibly her virginity. i personally value both these things very highly and if some bastard were to have raped my daughter i would definitely want to take vengence. girls who are raped usually don't forget it the next day....they usually live the rest of their lives with the haunting experience. rape can also lead to unwanted pregnancies. would you be okay if you were the child of a some rapist who raped your mom? i would advise you to give the issue some more thought before you pass irresponsible judgement. JMHO.

 

[Rison]

Orcish seems to be experienced in these affairs. Maybe he was raped by his neighbor.

 

[DrizztDoUrden]

We all know the guy is guilt as hell...


I mean we all know that the cops never ever plant evidence on innocent people.

And little girls never ever lie.

 

[anonymouschris]

well, i am 20 and have always respected my parents. i may not listen to them intially, but their words always come back to me and i eventually do listen to them. i hope i am not the only one like this. i think parents have a profound influence on their kids.

 

[anonymouschris]

one thing i do admire, orcish, is your honesty and bluntness

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Ask ONE, just ONE female if they'd "forget it the next day" if somebody tied them down, beat them, and raped them when they were 15.

How old are you, orc?

 

[yllus]

Orcish, don't forget that there's more to just punishing the guilty (if he is guilty, which seems very likely) when considering sentencing. The idea of instilling a fear of the consequences of such a crime is also a large factor in determining how long to put the guy away. Twenty years is no drop in the bucket and people will remember that from reading about this guy's story.

It's too bad he was chosen to be an example of what not to do in our society, I suppose. Life isn't fair sometimes. Try telling that to the 15-year-old who'll probably associate sex with being brutalized and duct-taped for a good part of her adult life. I've had a few friends with similar experiences and they did NOT come out of it without problems.

 

[YaKuZa]

The girls 15, so I want to know how she got to the shopping center. If she got a ride from a friend then why would that friend let her meet a complete stranger without accompanying her? She was careless and made a few mistakes, but it's not completely her fault. It's a sad thing especially on Xmas Eve. I think she will be traumatized for a really long time. She was beat, cut, and raped violently while being taped up in a cramped Civic in an empty parking lot with nowhere to run. The guy's an ass. Colleges are full of girls and what does he do? Goes after a young innocent girl.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Orcish, don't forget that there's more to just punishing the guilty (if he is guilty, which seems very likely) when considering sentencing. The idea of instilling a fear of the consequences of such a crime is also a large factor in determining how long to put the guy away. Twenty years is no drop in the bucket and people will remember that from reading about this guy's story.

We get fed that line by the crime and punishment crowd all the time but there is little evidence to support it. For the most part our criminal justice system punishes (incarceration) and removes a threat (incarceration) but many of the offenders are repeat-offenders meaning the system did not discourage rehabilitate or discourage these people from commiting new crimes. And everytime detritus like this gets put away I doubt there's a blip of difference in the number of women accosted on or around college campuses.

Prevention is the only effective practice. Men (boys) need obedience training. I think women should always be aware of their surroundings but ultimately men are the problem . . . granted teases do suck (pun intended).