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[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: Baked
OMG, that hit Henderson put on the brit guy while he was out and cold on the ground was vicious. He should be charged with attempted murder.

I disagree. It was just a punch whether he was out or not wouldn't have killed him. Now..if he came in with a flying elbow or knee..that would be a different story.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: Baked
OMG, that hit Henderson put on the brit guy while he was out and cold on the ground was vicious. He should be charged with attempted murder.

thats what happens when you disrespect your opponent.

brock was acting like such a dickhead. i was hoping frank would rip one of his limbs off.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: randay

Originally posted by: Baked
OMG, that hit Henderson put on the brit guy while he was out and cold on the ground was vicious. He should be charged with attempted murder.

thats what happens when you disrespect your opponent.

brock was acting like such a dickhead. i was hoping frank would rip one of his limbs off.

Brock is great for the UFC. people are going to get every PPV to see him get knocked out. So many people hate him for being WWE and his antics.

 

[de8212]

Originally posted by: waggy


thats not 100% true either as it was more of a combo of them. as i said his contract said X (beleive it was 3) he fought 3 times and thought he was done.

He wanted to fight Fedor and wanted more money (who the hell does not?). BUT again the clause in his contract says that the defendign the championship belt does not use up the X fights. he thought he could get out of it and beat them in court. he was wrong.

No point in arguing but as long as I have followed MMA and as much as I've read about the Randy/UFC deal, I've never once heard of defending your belt not counting towards the number of contractually obligated fights.

But yes, he left because of $$, the fact UFC could not sign Fedor (because Randy wanted to fight the best), and sambo. Also there were rumors that Fedor also insisted that part of the deal of him signing would be they would have to sign Aleks as well as several other Russian fighters. Not sure if that was true but I wouldn't doubt it.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Baked
OMG, that hit Henderson put on the brit guy while he was out and cold on the ground was vicious. He should be charged with attempted murder.

You don't stop fighting until the ref stops you. You keep hitting them until the ref stops the fight.

 

[de8212]

Originally posted by: Baked
OMG, that hit Henderson put on the brit guy while he was out and cold on the ground was vicious. He should be charged with attempted murder.

There have been numerous times a fighter has been KO'ed standing and as soon as he hits the mat they regain consciousness (sp?). Hendo was just making sure that wasn't going to happen. :laugh:

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Hey Bisping ran his mouth off to Dan. Big mistake. The only things you say to Dan Henderson is yes sir or no sir.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Phokus
A lot of heated debates over at the sherdog forums about brock.

I personally don't like brock because he wins not by skill but by his incredible brute strength. I don't see anyone in the HW division taking him down (unless fedor makes an appearance).

I appreciate skill rather than brute force. He makes a great villain though.

to say Brock does not have skill is ignorant. He has great skill in wrestling and that is a huge part of MMA. he can take down anyone and has good defence.

Shedog forum is a circle jerk at times. Far to many think brock is bad for MMA because his past with WWE and say he has no "skill".

Is brock strong? sure he is a freak of nature. BUT he is also very skilled and getting better at things he lacks (BJJ and striking). scary part is he is going to get better each fight.

In MMA, being a good wrestler for every other fighter isn't good enough.

after his first fight with Mir, brock found that that he can use his weight to prevent the other fighter from moving and his sheer strength to absolutely dominate the other opponent while being chest to chest (which prevents the other opponent from doing any sort of submission) while still generating a ton of ground and pound power. I've never seen another fighter do that before. There's no skill in that.

Athletes use their size in every other sport. Skill is all well and good until you get knocked the feck out. I remember Bisping going off about how much skill he had as a striker compared to Henderson... that worked out real well for him.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Phokus
A lot of heated debates over at the sherdog forums about brock.

I personally don't like brock because he wins not by skill but by his incredible brute strength. I don't see anyone in the HW division taking him down (unless fedor makes an appearance).

I appreciate skill rather than brute force. He makes a great villain though.

to say Brock does not have skill is ignorant. He has great skill in wrestling and that is a huge part of MMA. he can take down anyone and has good defence.

Shedog forum is a circle jerk at times. Far to many think brock is bad for MMA because his past with WWE and say he has no "skill".

Is brock strong? sure he is a freak of nature. BUT he is also very skilled and getting better at things he lacks (BJJ and striking). scary part is he is going to get better each fight.

In MMA, being a good wrestler for every other fighter isn't good enough.

after his first fight with Mir, brock found that that he can use his weight to prevent the other fighter from moving and his sheer strength to absolutely dominate the other opponent while being chest to chest (which prevents the other opponent from doing any sort of submission) while still generating a ton of ground and pound power. I've never seen another fighter do that before. There's no skill in that.

Athletes use their size in every other sport. Skill is all well and good until you get knocked the feck out. I remember Bisping going off about how much skill he had as a striker compared to Henderson... that worked out real well for him.

That's the thing though, the difference between henderson and bisping is 2 pounds (according to their sherdog profiles). However, the weight range in the HW division is ridiculous in comparison.

 

[herkulease]

Anyone have replays of the Henderson knockout. Its weird ESPN loops Lesnar killing Mir on their website, but only shows the "love taps" if you will of the henderson fight.

 

[Chronoshock]

Originally posted by: herkulease
Anyone have replays of the Henderson knockout. Its weird ESPN loops Lesnar killing Mir on their website, but only shows the "love taps" if you will of the henderson fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7qyxCrbT5I#t=24s

The follow up when Bisping hits the mat is brutal

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Phokus
A lot of heated debates over at the sherdog forums about brock.

I personally don't like brock because he wins not by skill but by his incredible brute strength. I don't see anyone in the HW division taking him down (unless fedor makes an appearance).

I appreciate skill rather than brute force. He makes a great villain though.

to say Brock does not have skill is ignorant. He has great skill in wrestling and that is a huge part of MMA. he can take down anyone and has good defence.

Shedog forum is a circle jerk at times. Far to many think brock is bad for MMA because his past with WWE and say he has no "skill".

Is brock strong? sure he is a freak of nature. BUT he is also very skilled and getting better at things he lacks (BJJ and striking). scary part is he is going to get better each fight.

In MMA, being a good wrestler for every other fighter isn't good enough.

after his first fight with Mir, brock found that that he can use his weight to prevent the other fighter from moving and his sheer strength to absolutely dominate the other opponent while being chest to chest (which prevents the other opponent from doing any sort of submission) while still generating a ton of ground and pound power. I've never seen another fighter do that before. There's no skill in that.

IF you think it don't take skill to hold a man down, hold his hands so you can hit him you are nuts.

you don't get a 100+ (can't recall off hand what it is. but insane amount of wins with like 8 loses or so) win record in college wrestling without a shitload of skill.

He plays to his skill set. that is wrestling. he get syou down and puts you in a position where he controls you and he can beat you into a pulp.

many other fighters do it. there are a lot of MMA fighters who were good wrestlers and use that to there advantage. Randy coulture was a Olympic alternate in greco-roman style. he uses that great when he pushes them up against a cage.

Sean sherk is another who uses his wrestling background a lot like Lesner. he controls his opponent on the mat very well.

shit there are a lot those are just the ones off the top of my head.



edit; and you can't say that the guy is just dominating because of size. there have been a few larger then him. Look at Bob sapp. the guy is a freak also but where is he? getting his ass kicked.

 

[jinduy]

Originally posted by: Chronoshock

Originally posted by: herkulease
Anyone have replays of the Henderson knockout. Its weird ESPN loops Lesnar killing Mir on their website, but only shows the "love taps" if you will of the henderson fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7qyxCrbT5I#t=24s

The follow up when Bisping hits the mat is brutal

wow ... that 2nd hit was borderline cheapshot... but i can understand why he took that shot as the ref was kinda late and you don't want to take any chances in the heat of the moment

 

[Baltazar325]

I heard Dana talking on Sirius a couple of weeks back and he says that they have tried to sign Fedor but the way the Russians want to do the contract is crazy. He basically has to sign a bunch of other Russian fighters and Fedor wants an MMA stadium build in Russia. Dana basically said that they weren't willing to do that.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Baltazar325
I heard Dana talking on Sirius a couple of weeks back and he says that they have tried to sign Fedor but the way the Russians want to do the contract is crazy. He basically has to sign a bunch of other Russian fighters and Fedor wants an MMA stadium build in Russia. Dana basically said that they weren't willing to do that.

Dana White is also full of lots of $hit.

 

[Genx87]

Brock was a phenominal wrestler in highshool and college. You dont become 2 time all american Div 1 wrestler with a national championship and a 2nd place over a 2 year career by having no skill.

When he gets on you, he will wrestle your ass. His technique is classic wrestling at times. Look at his feet position. Makes it nearly impossible for guys to get out or do anything. He wears you down by making you fight from the bottom then pounds your ass over time and you are exhausted. Outside of that inepexiernced pin by Mir. I wouldnt be surprised if the best way to take him down is to have a well placed punch land on his head knocking him out.

 

[sonambulo]

Originally posted by: Genx87
When he gets on you, he will wrestle your ass.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Mardeth]

How can someone hate Brock? I think he is very likeable.

 

[CRXican]

Originally posted by: Mardeth
How can someone hate Brock? I think he is very likeable.

hate him

 

[goog40]

Brock is hillarious. "Hell I might even get on top of my wife tonight!"

 

[DangerAardvark]

His jab at Bud Light made me LOL IRL. If I have to listen to Mike Goldberg say "the difference is drinkability" one more time Brock should smother him with his 2 ft long pecs.

Besides, he apologized for his antics later at one of the post-fight interviews I watched. I think that Brock thinks that he's never really gotten the respect he deserves for his wins, and figured if he revenges his loss to Mir, finally the fans will take him seriously. Nope. The crowd boos him despite Mir getting completely dominated after 8 months of talking trash. Can you blame him for snapping?

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
His jab at Bud Light made me LOL IRL. If I have to listen to Mike Goldberg say "the difference is drinkability" one more time Brock should smother him with his 2 ft long pecs.

Besides, he apologized for his antics later at one of the post-fight interviews I watched. I think that Brock thinks that he's never really gotten the respect he deserves for his wins, and figured if he revenges his loss to Mir, finally the fans will take him seriously. Nope. The crowd boos him despite Mir getting completely dominated after 8 months of talking trash. Can you blame him for snapping?

People love trash talk prefight but love to see the fighters reconcile at teh end. So the snub by Brock really pissed people off and turned teh crowd against him. Plus i think people still see him as kind of representing WWE and is an outsider.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
His jab at Bud Light made me LOL IRL. If I have to listen to Mike Goldberg say "the difference is drinkability" one more time Brock should smother him with his 2 ft long pecs.

Besides, he apologized for his antics later at one of the post-fight interviews I watched. I think that Brock thinks that he's never really gotten the respect he deserves for his wins, and figured if he revenges his loss to Mir, finally the fans will take him seriously. Nope. The crowd boos him despite Mir getting completely dominated after 8 months of talking trash. Can you blame him for snapping?

People love trash talk prefight but love to see the fighters reconcile at teh end. So the snub by Brock really pissed people off and turned teh crowd against him. Plus i think people still see him as kind of representing WWE and is an outsider.

For sure he would have earned more respect if he had made nice at the end. I know that's what made me a GSP fan; when GSP was nothing but graceful after his fight with BJ Penn and all that trash BJ talked.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
His jab at Bud Light made me LOL IRL. If I have to listen to Mike Goldberg say "the difference is drinkability" one more time Brock should smother him with his 2 ft long pecs.

Besides, he apologized for his antics later at one of the post-fight interviews I watched. I think that Brock thinks that he's never really gotten the respect he deserves for his wins, and figured if he revenges his loss to Mir, finally the fans will take him seriously. Nope. The crowd boos him despite Mir getting completely dominated after 8 months of talking trash. Can you blame him for snapping?

People love trash talk prefight but love to see the fighters reconcile at teh end. So the snub by Brock really pissed people off and turned teh crowd against him. Plus i think people still see him as kind of representing WWE and is an outsider.

A lot of UFC fans love a bad guy, look at Tito Ortiz, the 2nd most popular UFC fighter of all time. When he won, he would do his grave digging celebratory dance, and almost never made nice with the guy he beat. People hate Brock because he's from the WWE, and they don't understand way before WWE he had a ton of legit wrestling skills. And they also don't understand he does in fact have more going for him than his size. Sure his size helps him win, but every fighter in the UFC has some attribute that helps him. He's explosive as shit for a dude his size, and what he did to Mir was impressive. BJJ experts are known for their ability to totally neutralize a larger opponent using their BJJ. I've seen 150lb dudes submit 200-250 dudes they were sparring with.

Mir has world class BJJ, and Brock man handled him 5 fights into his MMA career, his size obviously was part of it. But, you could put 1,000 dudes the same size as Brock in against Mir, who don't have Brock's speed or wrestling. And all 1,000 get beat by Mir. Brock's legit and UFC fans who can't stand to see a WWE guy successful in MMA hate his guts. He's a heel like Tito was. And to be fair to Brock, he was very respectful to Randy before and their fight, because Randy showed him respect. Mir did nothing but clown and talk shit about him for months now. Mir showed him no respect, and when the fight was starting all of a sudden wanted to touch gloves? What Mir and other MMA fighters should have learned from the fight last night -

Don't upset Brock Lesnar with shit talking unless you're able to back it up. I dont' see Brock acting like that against an opponent who isn't basically calling him a WWE fake for months before the fight. Mir got what was coming to him. Brock flipping off the crowd was justified IMHO. Jim Ross (WWE announcer) said on his blog that in College wrestling when Brock's school would go to Ohio to compete the fans there would boo him like he was the devil himself. And Brock fed off that and made him wrestle better.

Brock's a scary dude and last night be totally dominated one of the top 10 BJJ dudes in the world.

 

[manimal]

People will love to have Brock, I bet buys in arkansas and west virginia went through the roof the moment their hero came over to the UFC. What I dislike about his classless antics after the fight is that the spirit of the UFC originally was about who was the best at that given moment,Royce Gracie recently talked about the lack of respect many fighters have and this kind of crap leads me to agree. Brock actually gave the finger to all the fighters that came before him, do you think Severn or Gracie or Kimo would have ever pulled that kind of crap? Guys like Bisbing, with his cancer of the mouth, and Brock, with his trailer park mentality ,will give the sport a reputation as a sideshow circus.

Now GSP on the other hand is the poster boy the UFC should stand behind. His skill, commitment and class should be what other fighters should aspir to. Hendo lost alot respect for hitting a guy like that when he was out. While I do agree bisbing was asking for it someone could have really gotten hurt.

I think they do need to change Bisbings nickname from Count to "out for the count"