UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[Fenixgoon]

you know how i knew brock was gonna lose? the beard.

when randy couture had a beard and got his ass kicked by liddell.

it's a curse

 

[DAPUNISHER]

i watched himin WWE (yeap i watch it. well sometimes) but i have also seen tapes of him wrestling in college (i am a huge wrestling fan). the kid was amazing.

where cain really had it over brock was not wrestling (sure he got up but he was taken down also) but his strikeing was great.

i always wondered about Brock's chin. when Randy rocked him it hasn't been challenged until carwin. i kinda thought it was really good after that fight. But cain showed us it is not as strong as we thought.

i doubt Brock is leaving (though you read sherdog you would think he is jumping ship) and yes i would expect him to fight for the title again someday. though i would like to see him fight a few times before he gets that chance.

hmm cain vs jds i would expect soon. hell maybe brock vs big country? both of those would be hell of a fun fights to watch.

I don't think Brock's chin is that suspect, but rather his mentality. Most of the straight up wrestler and BJJ guys I know, are not much on getting hit either. It is why they chose grappling disciplines. The way he back pedals with his hands out when stung is just completely novice. Like he is saying "Not in the face! Not in the face!"

Brock needs to join a good camp, and start getting beat on. He has a bunch of Chesters (from Chester and Spike dog cartoons) Sycophants do nothing for your development, you need to be challenged, not ego stroked.

 

[umbrella39]

cain is just like fedor, fast and efficient. he did EXACTLY what i said he'd do. destroyed brock.

We get it. You hate Brock and have a rear naked on Cains nutz. Congrats. CYSPN?

 

[Fingolfin269]

It's a HUGE deal. It means the brock hype is GONE, OVER, DONE WITH.

Now I don't have to deal with all these WWEites saying Brock has skill. He won't be a favorite against guys with legit skill ( JDS, Cain, Fedor, Overeem ).

The weird thing about all of this is how you seem to take all of this very personally.

 

[slayer202]

woosta is the most obnoxious person on the forum, and that is saying A LOTTTTT

 

[bfdd]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

 

[tailes151]

Youtube

 

[waggy]

woosta is the most obnoxious person on the forum, and that is saying A LOTTTTT

lol only when it comes to MMA.

i still laugh at the claim "brock has no skill!" it just shows how ignorant some are.

is he a elite striker? no. does he have a great all around game? no. for a guy who just got into MMA his skill level is amazing. scary part is he is going to continue to learn.

Though i am happy he lost. long term this might be good for him. he can't continue with the camp he is at and needs to do more then depend on his size and wrestling.

i hope cain fights JDS next and brock fights big country. both of those fights give me a woody!

 

[KeithTalent]

woosta is the most obnoxious person on the forum, and that is saying A LOTTTTT

Heh, agreed.

KT

 

[QueBert]

It's a HUGE deal. It means the brock hype is GONE, OVER, DONE WITH.

Now I don't have to deal with all these WWEites saying Brock has skill. He won't be a favorite against guys with legit skill ( JDS, Cain, Fedor, Overeem ).

Actually there will be more hype now, didn't you see Rocky? He lost the 1st one and came back in the 2nd. UFC will definitely spin this as Brock works his way back up with a few wins. As Lesnar said to Rogan in the interview "What can I say? he was better than me tonight." then Joe said he's sure he's going to go back to the drawing board and come back stronger

"that's what a champion does right?" - Lesnar


Brock will be back you can count on it, and even with the loss it doesn't "expose" him. His 3rd MMA fight he beat a legend to win the title. In about 14 months we'll be seeing either a rematch for the title, or Brock fighting whoever's the champ. I think JDS will give Cain big problems. I'm still a Lesnar fan, fans don't jump ship with a single fucking loss. And let Cain defend his title at least once successfully before you start tossin his salad Wootsta

 

[Fenixgoon]

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jesus brock got assraped. doesn't look like he has much defense in the guard on his back, or maybe that's just because of whatever hits he took. cain just GNP'd. HARD.

 

[Marinski]

Lesnars legs looked wobbly after that first combination, right before he spun around and fell, then he ate more shots. When he got to his feet Velasquez hit him with another combo and his legs were gone.

 

[Woosta]

Actually there will be more hype now, didn't you see Rocky? He lost the 1st one and came back in the 2nd. UFC will definitely spin this as Brock works his way back up with a few wins. As Lesnar said to Rogan in the interview "What can I say? he was better than me tonight." then Joe said he's sure he's going to go back to the drawing board and come back stronger

"that's what a champion does right?" - Lesnar


Brock will be back you can count on it, and even with the loss it doesn't "expose" him. His 3rd MMA fight he beat a legend to win the title. In about 14 months we'll be seeing either a rematch for the title, or Brock fighting whoever's the champ. I think JDS will give Cain big problems. I'm still a Lesnar fan, fans don't jump ship with a single fucking loss. And let Cain defend his title at least once successfully before you start tossin his salad Wootsta

Wow. Even after being wrong, you still continue to babble about Brock.. amazing. Few things though

- Brock Lesnar didn't win the title in his 3rd fight.
- That was a gift title shot from Dana that he received. He should have properly worked his way up the division.
- Yes, he did beat Couture but the guy is like nearly 50 years old. Couture is no joke, don't get me wrong, but he's not an elite HW. The guy is like 16-7.
- Brock already has 2 losses. Even if Cain wins I will be a fan. Cain comes up to fight. I do not respect fighters who run like that. Not only did he run in the Carwin fight, he ran in the Cain fight. Ran from 2 fighters back to back.. wtf is that?

After tonight I hope you realize that Brock's wrestling is very overrated and is not godlike. He's not some sort of legend, Muhammad Ali, in the making. The guy is very 1 dimensional and green.

He may be able to become good if he trains with a better camp. His current camp just has wrestlers. Sure, he flies in Pat Barry and those others but he needs a legit striking coach, maybe he should head up to Golden Glory to learn how to strike.

I also hope that after tonight you realize that Zuffa hypes the shit out of fighters, claim they are the greatest with all this video and promos when you have other great fighters in other organizations.

 

[MotF Bane]

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:thumbsup:

 

[MotF Bane]

woosta is the most obnoxious person on the forum, and that is saying A LOTTTTT

Have you seen P&N lately? After that, nobody looks bad.

 

[Woosta]

My rankings after tonight based on SKILL alone, not records ( the same way Bas Rutten does his rankings ):

1. Fedor
2. Overeem
3. Cain
4. JDS
5. Barnett
6. Lesnar
7. Carwin
8. Werdum

My rankings based on wins/records:

1. Werdum
2. Cain
3. Fedor
4. JDS
5. Brock
6. Carwin
7. Overeem

 

[Bucks]

Interview with Undertaker right after the match... Brock and him ready to go at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddVDRJDJsT8

 

[Woosta]

Undertaker via gogoplata

 

[QueBert]

"other great fighters in other promotions" LOL

Beltor has 2 fighters that could make it in the UFC, that is all.

Strike Force has, lesse...
HW
Werdum
Fedor
Alistar
Rogers, but he isn't going to a contender in UFC.

LHW
Lawal
Cavalcante

Middle
Henderson
Jacre
Manhoef (possibly...)

Welter
Diaz - who wouldn't have a shot in hell at the title if he was in UFC.
Woodly

Light
Melendez
Noons
Thompson

That's good for 2 events a year maybe, and their top dudes would literally have to fight at every event to make it worth watching. I'm not saying only UFC has good fighters, but UFC has the vast bulk. I've watched every SF event, every UFC event, I even ordered Shark Fights 14 last month. I go to the MMA events at the local indian casino. The "green" Lesnar you talk about would destroy all but 2 HW's outside of UFC, and even in those fights I give him a chance. It's not like he lost to a chump, nobody outside of the UFC would beat Cain right now. So Brock loosing to him has zero indications of him as a fighter. As for being "one dimensional" he came out with some pretty good knees and threw some strikes, he also got a take down, and his last fight he won by submission. What else do you want to him to do for shits sake? He could probably win by flying Omaplata and you'd still call him a 1 dimensional hack. Brock's still top 5 EASILY even after last night. You act like beating Randy your 4th MMA fight is a walk in the part. Randy's still game and I'd pick him over a good number of opponents.

"The true test of a champion is not whether he can triumph, but whether he can overcome obstacles - preferably of his own making - in order to triumph."
— Garth Stein (The Art of Racing in the Rain)

If he has the heart of a champion he'll be back, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Woosta]

UFC's "new breed" of heavyweights minus JDS/Cain

Brock - no heart, no skill

Duffy - no chin, no skill

Carwin - no cardio/muscle endurance

Hilarious how Zuffa made people fall for the hype. And people are STILL buying into this hype.

 

[QueBert]

UFC's "new breed" of heavyweights minus JDS/Cain

Brock - no heart, no skill
Duffy - no chin, no skill
Carwin - no cardio/muscle endurance

Hilarious how guys fell for the hype.

actually UFC's new breed of HW is Pat Barry, once he gets some more training and experience he will easily be a contender. Mitrione should be up there one day also. Roy Nelson's definitely as good as just about any HW outside of the UFC. You bring up Duffee and laugh but have Barnett on your list, the dude has been busted for steriods multiple times and isn't going to beat anyone important anymore. He's on Cro Cop or Nogs level. 10 years ago that would be an honor but today, laughable. Hell Mir's better than Barnett today and I personally don't think much of Frank. Also Duffee was super gassed when Russow KO'ed him. and for all we know Russow hits harder than Manhoef. How many losses does Duffee have again? Oh yeah, one! Using your one fight logic, Robbie Lawler has no chin too because Diaz KO'ed him. The ironic thing there is Lawler hadn't been KO'ed before or since that. And Diaz has never KO'ed anyone but Robbie. You sound like a retarded hater.

We get it, you don't think Brock has any abilities and you think UFC isn't all that.

 

[Woosta]

actually UFC's new breed of HW is Pat Barry

Saving this quote for the next couple of years so I can bring it up after every Pat Barry fight. I respect the shit out of Pat Barry and he's a good person but his weakness will always be his submission game unless he really, really emphasizes it and in general gameplans. I don't see him being in the top 10 anytime soon unless the top 10 all die in simultaneous plane crashes or have heart attacks.

Losing to a shell of his former self Cro Cop isn't all that impressive. I'll give Barry his props though, he has much better striking than Brock. I respect him as a fighter and a person.

As for Roy Nelson, he's definitely legit. More legit than Pat Barry, even. Not being knocked out after fighting JDS is fucking impressive as shit.

I'm not a UFC hater, a shitload of my fighters are under the Zuffa brand:

Shogun
Cain
JDS
Jose Aldo
Roy Nelson
Anderson Silva
Jon Jones
BJ Penn
Cro Cop
Big Nog
Lil Nog
Vitor
Bendo
Takanori Gomi
Evan Dunham
George Soto

It's just that the UFC is not the NFL or NBA of fighting, especially when a competitors HW division matches up or even surpasses it.

 

[waggy]

actually UFC's new breed of HW is Pat Barry, once he gets some more training and experience he will easily be a contender. Roy Nelson is also as good as just about any HW outside of the UFC.

We get it, you don't think Brock has any abilities and you think UFC isn't all that.

yeap the UFC's HW devision has some damn good guys. I also have high hopes for Roy nelson. he finally has real training partners and people to help. sure he lost a hell of a fight with JDS but i suspect we he will continue to be in the mix.

heh i laugh at the idiots that think brock has no skill. it shows there ignorance. is he going to be the gsp of the heavyweight division? hell no. but i bet he is champion again.

 

[Woosta]

I really would like to see Cormier fight Lesnar though, that'd be a great wrestler matchup. Dude is a beast.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

You sit here and talk about hype from Zuffa and Dana, Woosta. But guess what, that same hype about Cain being the first MEXICAN HW champion was blasted all to hell, yet you don't have any issue with that. MMA is a business, they are there to sell tickets, hype is part of the game even if someone doesn't live up to the standards. I would laugh my ass off if Cain loses to JDS, then I guess Cain was all hype also. Remember, there is ALWAYS someone better.