UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

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RPD

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Stop wasting your time trying to sway Woosta, isn't going to happen. He's just as much as a SF zombie as the Zuffa ones he calls out.

Ya he lost to CC AFTER sustaining a broken hand AND foot during the fight. What else you'd expect him to do when kick boxing is his thing?

Also, being up on MMA you know Duffee isn't even in the UFC anymore right?
 

Woosta

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I'm not a SF Zombie. I realize that UFC's WW division and LHW divisions shit on SF's, but there are legit fighters in SF. Just want to make people aware of that.

There are elite fighters in every organization: UFC, SF, Bellator, DREAM, etc.

If I was a SF zombie, I'd be hating on the UFC/Zuffa champions but I love Aldo, Shogun, Bendo and Cain.
 

RPD

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Yes there are, however the majority of elite fighters are in UFC.

Edit: Why am I even wasting my time...
 
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For non-HW and non-LW divisions, I agree.

Good joke. Fedor hasn't been tested in years, yet he still lost his last fight. He cant hodl a candle to anyone in the UFW H/W division. I'm not making any joke. Fedor vs Lesnar would be as embarrassing to Strikeforce as Chuck Liddell losing to Mike hunt in his prime.

I.E. not in a million years.
 

monaroCountry

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"other great fighters in other promotions" LOL

Beltor has 2 fighters that could make it in the UFC, that is all.

Strike Force has, lesse...
HW
Werdum
Fedor
Alistar
Rogers, but he isn't going to a contender in UFC.


There are many more fighters fighting for other promotions who showed more skills, are more experienced, achieved more in the sport, and showed more heart than Brock. The only thing elevating Brock above these guys is being in Zuffa. Werdum, Fedor, Overeem and Barnett are all proven fighters and are all above Lesnar. The only two HW’s within the UFC who could challenge these guys would be Cain and JDS. Heck I would even put Rogers ahead of Brock going by the range of skills they have shown and their fight experience.

I'm not saying only UFC has good fighters, but UFC has the vast bulk. I've watched every SF event, every UFC event, I even ordered Shark Fights 14 last month.

People get fooled into believing that UFC has the best talents simply because UFC fighters are not allowed to fight the champions from other promotions. Look at Anderson Silva for example, he is undefeated in the UFC but was just an average fighter outside. All of Anderson’s losses were fights outside the UFC. Another example is JDS who is again undefeated in the UFC however his only loss came from an M1-Global event.

My point is that there are many top fighters outside the UFC who are relative unknowns to American MMA fans. We will NEVER see how good these fighters actually are because Zuffa refuses to co-promote with other promotions.

It's not like he lost to a chump, nobody outside of the UFC would beat Cain right now. So Brock loosing to him has zero indications of him as a fighter. As for being "one dimensional" he came out with some pretty good knees and threw some strikes, he also got a take down, and his last fight he won by submission. Brock's still top 5 EASILY even after last night.

I like Cain and think that he is a legit HW fighter, however Strikeforce’s top fighters would easily give Cain a very good fight. Fedor, Overeem and Barnett are just some of the Strikeforce fighters would could defeat Cain.

Brock IS NOT a top 5 fighter or even a top 10 fighter.
-Striking: Fedor/Barnett/Overeem/Rogers/AA (basically most HW fighter) >>>>>> Lesnar
-Grappling: Fedor/Barnett/Overeem/Rogers/AA (basically most HW fighter) >>>>>> Lesnar

Compare the K1 level striking of Overeem to Brock and youll notice a chasm of difference.

You act like beating Randy your 4th MMA fight is a walk in the part. Randy's still game and I'd pick him over a good number of opponents.

-Randy has 19 wins and 10 losses, even for MMA his win-loss ratio is disgraceful.
-Randy had a very long layoff prior to the Lesnar fight
-Randy is now 47 years old
-Randy was outweighed by a huge margin (should be fighting in LHW).

In short, Randy was a gimme fight given to Brock to boost up his credibility and marketability.
 

JEDI

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next hw championship fight will be cain vs jds since the winner of the jds/roy nelson fight got next dibs. and jds won.

interesting to see 2 smaller hw in a title fight.

At the current clip of title defences every 3 months, cain will be defending in Jan?
 
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QueBert

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In short, Randy was a gimme fight given to Brock to boost up his credibility and marketability.

Funny because before the fight, just about every other UFC fighter, including ones Randy had faced in the past said Randy was going to win the fight. If you think Randy's a "gimme" fight for a persons 4th professional MMA fight you're NUTTS.
 

Genx87

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I didnt get to see Brocks last night. But I did watch the last one against Mir. It felt like his game plane was not well thought out. He came out swinging like a fool then got popped a few times and went down. It felt like he was a bit slower and his technique wasnt good. In the Mir fight he let mir make the move then countered and smothered. Not having seen his last fight. I suspect he has changed his game plan? Because I understand his last fight he also got smacked around a bunch before somehow pulling it out his ass. He also looked leaner lastnight. In the mir fight he looked about 285. I would say his weight of 265 looked legit lastnight.
 

bfdd

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Video footage of Anderson Silva, Rashad Evans and Brock Lesnar partying after the fights.

 

coreyb

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LESNAR = OWNED

finally a real fighter is heavyweight champion. and it wasn't even a close fight, total domination
 

mizzou

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Lol The Undertaker mean mugs Lesnar on his way out of the octagon. Possibly Lesnar's next fight? Make it happen Dana White!

Lesnar has some skeletons in his closet

Taker is obviously there because he is a legit fan of mma but the mean mugging may be a ploy to try and give lesnar an option to segway back into WWE.


Just wait, next match lesnar is winning, taker will jump into the octagon with a chair and take lesnarbout while the mma ref is distracted by a hot lady
 

Number1

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Lol The Undertaker mean mugs Lesnar on his way out of the octagon. Possibly Lesnar's next fight? Make it happen Dana White!

Yes that was kins of cool. The undertaker can actualy talk!!! LOL

I finally watched the fight last night. It was good to see Lesnar get a beating and now we finally have a real fighter with the belt.

Lesnar is not a fighter, he is just a big mother fucker who has been lucky so far. He should go back to the WWE with the undertaker.

Did anybody notice Lesnar shoving the cop aside when he was walking in. Bastard, I am glad he got his just reward during the fight. At the end, he really looked scared like a little girl cowering in a ball. Surprising he wasn't crying.

It surprises me Lesnar has so many fans in here. He is just a big chunk of muscle with no real talent.
 
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