UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

no one gives a shit about someone that makes posts that are equivalent to a little girl saying "i told you so".

you don't have to murdereed to know it's bad. what kind of stuipd shit is that? someone that's never been punched in the face/gut is probably not going to know how it can mess up your head and decision making. i think my 4 year old niece is smart enough to know that getting murdered isn't going to be good. give me a break.

why are you bringing religion into this? what kind of stupid shit is that? attacking religion is the in thing now. we get that. no one gives a shit. quit being a little girl.

-mggp

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

you're probably one of those idiots going around in real life telling your friends how bad i owned some guy on a message board. you probably told all your friends on facebook how badly i told them so.

no one gives a shit

-mggp

 

[Juddog]

you're probably one of those idiots going around in real life telling your friends how bad i owned some guy on a message board. you probably told all your friends on facebook how badly i told them so.

no one gives a shit

-mggp

Why not let us know how you really feel?

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

Why not let us know how you really feel?

i think he's douche bag.

-mggp

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

oh here's a quote from my friend.

"hey that guy you told me about from that internet forum. I think he's one of those things women clean their vag with. what's it called again?"

-mggp

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

aha actually he's not that bad. just the i told you so bullshit pisses me off.

-mggp

 

[Sairas]

'sup. I'm Woosta's friend. I got him to post that message because I was too lazy to register. Here's the response I wrote up to you:

I am aware that you do not have to be murdered to have an opinion on it. That was my point. That is why I made it clear that saying someone can not have an opinion without experiencing something is fallacious. You can observe the effects of an affect to gather enough knowledge on it to formulate an opinion without having to experience. Good job completely missing my point and agreeing with me while trying to argue against me. By the way, I brought religion into this because it was the most obvious example. If you are unable to form an opinion on things unexperienced, then religion in most instances goes out the window, because it is entirely based of speculation of things unexperienced, notably the afterlife. Yes, continue to post about how no one cares, yet take the time out of your day to write posts about it.

You're obviously mad, though, and that's cool. Just don't take it out on anyone.

 

[Ns1]

cool starry brah

 

[Juddog]

'sup. I'm Woosta's friend. I got him to post that message because I was too lazy to register. Here's the response I wrote up to you:

I am aware that you do not have to be murdered to have an opinion on it. That was my point. That is why I made it clear that saying someone can not have an opinion without experiencing something is fallacious. You can observe the effects of an affect to gather enough knowledge on it to formulate an opinion without having to experience. Good job completely missing my point and agreeing with me while trying to argue against me. By the way, I brought religion into this because it was the most obvious example. If you are unable to form an opinion on things unexperienced, then religion in most instances goes out the window, because it is entirely based of speculation of things unexperienced, notably the afterlife. Yes, continue to post about how no one cares, yet take the time out of your day to write posts about it.

You're obviously mad, though, and that's cool. Just don't take it out on anyone.

Sherdog too slow for you today?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

We now know more about Woosta, he has lazy friends.

 

[Sairas]

Sherdog too slow for you today?

Sherdog is for slow people, yes.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

'sup. I'm Woosta's friend. I got him to post that message because I was too lazy to register. Here's the response I wrote up to you:

I am aware that you do not have to be murdered to have an opinion on it. That was my point. That is why I made it clear that saying someone can not have an opinion without experiencing something is fallacious. You can observe the effects of an affect to gather enough knowledge on it to formulate an opinion without having to experience. Good job completely missing my point and agreeing with me while trying to argue against me. By the way, I brought religion into this because it was the most obvious example. If you are unable to form an opinion on things unexperienced, then religion in most instances goes out the window, because it is entirely based of speculation of things unexperienced, notably the afterlife. Yes, continue to post about how no one cares, yet take the time out of your day to write posts about it.

You're obviously mad, though, and that's cool. Just don't take it out on anyone.

my point is you took an extreme example that's pretty obvious. religion is another easy out. that's like me saying oh you don't know how it feels to be a unicorn. i agree with you to a point but it's not white and black. someone can experience what it's like to be hit in the head and see stars and it will cloud your ability to put up a solid defence. as an observer I might be able to say yeah that fool got hit in the head but he could/should have just turtled up for a second and looked to get into a half guard position or something along those lines. you throw out experience like it's not worth a damn.

i post no one cares because really no one does. i'm pointing out how stupid it is for your friend to post "i told you so" just because he think he's right. he does this shit in every fight thread which derails the thread. if he acted with some humility maybe no one would give him shit.

 

[QueBert]

Quebert, Brock sucks. I'm going on the record here, he will NEVER have the belt again. He was exposed for the pussy he is. He was DOMINATED, utterly and completely.

You're right one loss means it's impossible to ever come back and win the belt again. Never mind the fact Randy did it what, 6 times?

He'll be back and he'll have the belt again, 2.5 years down the road.

 

[Woosta]

You're right one loss means it's impossible to ever come back and win the belt again. Never mind the fact Randy did it what, 6 times?

He'll be back and he'll have the belt again, 2.5 years down the road.

The chances of that are pretty low, but it's certainly a possibility. I suspect that in 2-3 years he'll have to retire from injuries sustained throughout his WWE Career piled on to his MMA tenure.

I also suspect that there will be another Zuffa campaign and they will market a Newer breed of heavyweights who will be "better" than Brock, and you'll most likely be one of the sheep that falls for the campaigns.

You'll then proceed to compare these hws with the then retired Fedor and say that the new breed is fighting top competition while Fedor never has, and they are much more skilled than Fedor.

 

[Josh]

The chances of that are pretty low, but it's certainly a possibility. I suspect that in 2-3 years he'll have to retire from injuries sustained throughout his WWE Career piled on to his MMA tenure.

I also suspect that there will be another Zuffa campaign and they will market a Newer breed of heavyweights who will be "better" than Brock, and you'll most likely be one of the sheep that falls for the campaigns.

You'll then proceed to compare these hws with the then retired Fedor and say that the new breed is fighting top competition while Fedor never has, and they are much more skilled than Fedor.

While my opinion is that Fedor is one of the best heavyweights ...there is no way to say that with such certainity as you claim.

Until he fights in the UFC, there's no way that anyone can say Fedor is THE best.

His fighting style may not work against Cain, or even Brock. You never know. Brock could rock him with a few shots and have it be the end of Fedor. Obviously that probably wouldn't be the case...but, its not impossible. Fedor did just get submitted by Werdum - his only legitimate loss of his career and Werdum lost to Junior Dos Santos and Andrei Arlovski in the UFC (and I beileve dana white cut him from the UFC)

 

[RPD]

The chances of that are pretty low, but it's certainly a possibility. I suspect that in 2-3 years he'll have to retire from injuries sustained throughout his WWE Career piled on to his MMA tenure.

I also suspect that there will be another Zuffa campaign and they will market a Newer breed of heavyweights who will be "better" than Brock, and you'll most likely be one of the sheep that falls for the campaigns.

You'll then proceed to compare these hws with the then retired Fedor and say that the new breed is fighting top competition while Fedor never has, and they are much more skilled than Fedor.

This is exactly why people don't like you on the boards. By nature when comparing the "guy who just beat the champ" to "the champ that lost" IS better AT the given time. What other conclusion is there?

Honestly get off Fedor's nutts already. He's a great fighter, but he's not relevant in today's HW division unless he a) fights more than 1-2 times a year and b) fights top competition regardless of what banner it's under.

You can't not fight the top for what almost 3 years now and still say he's relevant in the NOW/CURRENT game, he fought someone that most consider barely bottom of top 10-15 and lost. Before you go cut/paste your Fedor boiler plate defense document, this isn't an attack on Strikeforce or comparing their fighters to UFC. Fedor isn't the current or future of any HW div and unless he changes his frequency and level of competition of fighters he'll just be stuck in the past.

 

[Woosta]

Honestly get off Fedor's nutts already. He's a great fighter, but he's not relevant in today's HW division unless he a) fights more than 1-2 times a year
.

Brock Lesnar has not fought more than 2 times this year.
Brock Lesnar has not fought more than 1 time last year.
Brock Lesnar's competition prior to Cain is questionable.

GSP has not fought more than 1 time this year.
GSP has not fought more than 1 WW last year.
GSP's competition is questionable ( Dan Hardy?!?!? )

Anderson Silva's competition is questionable. Demian Maia?!?! James Irvin?!?!?! Lutter?!??!
Anderson Silva has not fought more than 2 times this year.

Jose Aldo has not fought more than 2 times this year.

Shogun has not fought more than once this year.

You are under the impression that UFC HWs fight 3 times per year. This is false. Stop buying into Dana's bullshit.

Goes to show you can do this revisionist history bullshit to anyone and make them look bad.

 

[Woosta]

While my opinion is that Fedor is one of the best heavyweights ...there is no way to say that with such certainity as you claim.

Until he fights in the UFC, there's no way that anyone can say Fedor is THE best.

His fighting style may not work against Cain, or even Brock. You never know. Brock could rock him with a few shots and have it be the end of Fedor. Obviously that probably wouldn't be the case...but, its not impossible. Fedor did just get submitted by Werdum - his only legitimate loss of his career and Werdum lost to Junior Dos Santos and Andrei Arlovski in the UFC (and I beileve dana white cut him from the UFC)

Ah, MMA Math. Let's use that logic.

TK is the best fighter in the world because he has beaten Fedor. This means he's better than all of Fedor's opponents, including Big Nog, Arlovski, Sylvia, Mark Hunt, Cro Cop, Randleman, Coleman, Herring, Schilt, Babalu, Arona.

Brendan Vera is better than Brock because he has beaten Mir, who has beat Brock Lesnar.

Luiz Azeredo, Takase, Chonan and Okami are all quarter MW UFC champions because they all have beaten Anderson Silva. Anderson has not rematched/beaten ANY of them thus far. 4 people clowned Anderson Silva who were outside of the UFC. Anderson Silva is undefeated in the UFC. This means the competition outside of the UFC is tougher because he could only lose to unorthodox asians.

Andre Arlovski is better than Fedor because he beat Werdum, who beat Fedor. Arlovski was a UFC HW champion.

WAIT.. THEY FOUGHT.. WHAT HAPPENED?

Need I remind you that Fedor is around 5-0 or 6-0 against former UFC HW Champions? No UFC HW Champion has ever defeated Fedor. He has beaten 5 or 6 of them. You can't take away the fact that they were champions. Just because they aren't current champions doesn't mean they are cans.

 

[zinfamous]

lol: MMA is LIFE. Super SERIOUS!

Fuck all you Haters who DON"T KNOW.



lulz.

 

[RPD]

I should have followed my own advice about 5 pages ago. But way to bring up completely other divisions in the UFC (again you don't even mention SF's HW champ and his title defensives). But I'll just add, Brock almost died and came back and fought twice in the same year. Thats amazing and the fact you use that as your first example along with your "MMA math", which I didn't even touch on further cements my opinion of you.

You think you are this elite, cool, knowledgeable MMA guy, but you are probably a reason more people don't follow the sport, they think most fans are like you. You are just as bad as the people you decry.

Edit: What do you know, another gif.

 

[Juddog]

I should have followed my own advice about 5 pages ago. But way to bring up completely other divisions in the UFC (again you don't even mention SF's HW champ and his title defensives). But I'll just add, Brock almost died and came back and fought twice in the same year. Thats amazing and the fact you use that as your first example along with your "MMA math", which I didn't even touch on further cements my opinion of you.

You think you are this elite, cool, knowledgeable MMA guy, but you are probably a reason more people don't follow the sport, they think most fans are like you. You are just as bad as the people you decry.

Edit: What do you know, another gif.

Better be careful - he'll have another one of his "secret buddies" register an account in order to post a rebuttal.

 

[monaroCountry]

But I'll just add, Brock almost died and came back and fought twice in the same year. Thats amazing and the fact you use that as your first example along with your "MMA math", which I didn't even touch on further cements my opinion of you.

Wasnt Zuffa, Dana and Brock's fan saying at one stage that Brock was functioning at 60%, when he fought Mir, Randy and co? and that he would be at 100% after his injury and be unstoppable?

Now one could excuse Fedor of slowing down, which he has, afterall he has been in the sport for a very long time and no longer has that spring in his steps (as with any fighter who have been in the game for a long time). Brocks level of activity when starting in the sport is far inferior to that of Fedor.

BROCK LESNAR
2007 - 1 fight
2008 - 3 fights (1 loss)
2009 - 1 fight
2010 - 2 fights (1 loss)


FEDOR EMELIANENKO
2000 - 5 fights
2001 - 6 fights
2002 - 3 fights
2003 - 5 fights

 

[monaroCountry]

While my opinion is that Fedor is one of the best heavyweights ...there is no way to say that with such certainity as you claim.

Until he fights in the UFC, there's no way that anyone can say Fedor is THE best.

His fighting style may not work against Cain, or even Brock. You never know. Brock could rock him with a few shots and have it be the end of Fedor. Obviously that probably wouldn't be the case...but, its not impossible. Fedor did just get submitted by Werdum - his only legitimate loss of his career and Werdum lost to Junior Dos Santos and Andrei Arlovski in the UFC (and I beileve dana white cut him from the UFC)

Fedor has been widely regarded as the best since his domination in the then biggest and toughest MMA organisation, an organisation that Anderson Silva lost close to 50% of his fights.

I honestly think that you’ve gotten things mixed up. It should be that, NO UFC HW champion should be regarded as the best unless they beat FEDOR. Brock was regarded as the best, he was the UFC champion. However he lacked a world class standup game and world class ground game (unlike Fedor).

Now with Werdums loss. Werdum is currently the best grappler in MMA as evidenced by his 2 ADCC win (including last year). JDS didn’t beat Werdum on the ground where Werdum is strongest. Fedor following Werdum to ground was a bad tactical move and would be more like Brock Lesnar trying to stand and bang with Badr Hari.

Brock never showed any great KO power and his punches simply doesn’t have that snap that you would see from top level strikers, Brocks punches are telegraphed. Fedor on the other hand has shown an ability to take hard punches and have shown the ability to remain composed even against hard knocks.

BTW JDS has also lost to someone, should that someone be boosted up into the top ten?

 

[QueBert]

Wasnt Zuffa, Dana and Brock's fan saying at one stage that Brock was functioning at 60%, when he fought Mir, Randy and co? and that he would be at 100% after his injury and be unstoppable?

Now one could excuse Fedor of slowing down, which he has, afterall he has been in the sport for a very long time and no longer has that spring in his steps (as with any fighter who have been in the game for a long time). Brocks level of activity when starting in the sport is far inferior to that of Fedor.

BROCK LESNAR
2007 - 1 fight
2008 - 3 fights (1 loss)
2009 - 1 fight
2010 - 2 fights (1 loss)


FEDOR EMELIANENKO
2000 - 5 fights (1 loss)
2001 - 6 fights
2002 - 3 fights
2003 - 5 fights

Did Fedor have a near life ending illness? No, and as much as you Fedor nutthuggers love to dispute it, in 2000 he has a loss on his record. I don't give a shit if you don't think it was a legit loss, he has a L on his record. In the state it would have been a real loss because elbows are legal. If you had bet $1,000 that Fedor would win that fight you would have lost your money. And why bring up the number of fights he had when 12 of them were against cans? Fedor's more experienced, but he had A LOT of easy fights his 1st 4 years in MMA. Brock hasn't had a single gimmie fight, and probably never will. Pride loved to feed dudes who've never fought in MMA to pad fighters records. Fedor's 1st 3 fighters have a combined record of 1-7. And there are others he faced down the road in Pride who had never fought before or after Fedor. If you're comparing quality of opponents it's pretty equal IMHO. Fedor's 1st 3 years he literally fought 1 good opponent a year.

Of course Fedor's a better fighter, but in his own right Lesnar is pretty damn good for his experience level.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Fedor has been widely regarded as the best since his domination in the then biggest and toughest MMA organisation, an organisation that Anderson Silva lost close to 50% of his fights.

Okay, I agree that Fedor is definitely the most dominant HW fighter of all time, but this might be the silliest supporting reason I've ever heard for it. Anderson Silva went 3-2 in PRIDE 6 years ago, in a different weight class, and that somehow means Fedor is the best?