UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

[QueBert]

Cain's cardio will be better. I can guarantee it.



Brock does too much weight lifting and not enough cardio/fighting exercises.



Not against Cain.



Brock has no striking. None whatsoever. Nil. Cain would have outstruck Carwin.



If Brock was as any good as he's hyped up to be, he would have taken Carwin down and GNPed and destroyed him in the first round. Instead, he got outstruck, raped, and it just so happens Carwin didn't train his cardio as much. If he had, he would be the HW champ now.

if if if.... Brock's the champ and the favorite to win this Saturday. Also Brock does very little weight lifting, if you don't believe me there are tons of videos online that show his work out routine. He also runs 3 miles at near full speed while carrying a 180lb log on his shoulder, that sounds like somebody with outstanding cardio to me. Also people with weak cardio cannot do the Caveman workout, in fact only about 4 dudes in the entire UFC can handle that level of a workout. It's obvious your hatred for Brock is clouding your judgement. I'm not saying he will win this weekend, but he's the favorite for a reason.

 

[coreyb]

agree with all your points Woosta. I hope broke get's his ass whooped like he deserves.

 

[Woosta]

if if if.... Brock's the champ

You are buying into hype. Brock didn't go through the people Cain or JDS did. Look at this list..

MIN SOO KIM W
FRANK MIR L
HEATH HERRING W
COUTURE W
FRANK MIR W
SHANE CARWIN W

Ok. Min soo kim.. can. 1-1 with Mir ( remember that Mir is a guy who lost to Brendan Vera, a LHW ). Brock is not 2-1 or 2-0 with Mir. He's 1-1. They are tied.

An over the hill past his prime Heath Herring, and Brock couldn't even finish that fight early. Couture is practically a LHW, and a 48 year old man. Shane Carwin was his first real competition. Good job.

JDS:

ROY NELSON
GABRIEL GONZAGA
GILBERT YVEL
CRO COP
STEFAN STRUVE
FABRICIO WERDUM

This guy is practically CLEANING the UFC HW division from the bottom up. He's going through every name. JDS is the real UFC HW champion.

 

[QueBert]

You are buying into hype. Brock didn't go through the people Cain or JDS did. Look at this list..



Ok. Min soo kim.. can. 1-1 with Mir ( remember that Mir is a guy who lost to Brendan Vera, a LHW ). Brock is not 2-1 or 2-0 with Mir. He's 1-1. They are tied.

An over the hill past his prime Heath Herring, and Brock couldn't even finish that fight early. Couture is practically a LHW, and a 48 year old man. Shane Carwin was his first real competition. Good job.

JDS:



This guy is practically CLEANING the UFC HW division from the bottom up. He's going through every name. JDS is the real UFC HW champion.

JDS? He has one legit win, that was over Werdum. He beat a Cro Cop who should have never came back, a Gonzaga who has 1 win worth a shit. And let's not forget Randy beat the shit out of Gonzaga and would probably beat all but a few of the people who JDS and Gab have fought. JDS has potential, but beating Yvel & Struve - color me unimpressed. Heath is one of the toughest SOB's ever, 3 people out of 42 fights have stopped him, 3. And that was Brock's 3rd fight. He did bust his orbital bone with 1 punch, and oh yeah made him say fuck mma and retire. Herring even in his last fight is higher competition that Gonzaga or Cro Cop who was waaaaay farther gone than Herring.

There is no Lesnar hype, the bottom line he's smashed the shit out of Mir, Randy, Shane & sent a vet into retirement. He's defended his belt multiple times. I suppose you're going to say Cain's faced better dudes, like ummm Rothwell right? Where's Big Ben now? Cain hasn't beaten anyone impressive. Nog is his best win to date and Nog got beat badly by Mir, so Nog's about as far gone as Cro Cop.

Hype doesn't make a fighter the favorite on the betting lines. The bookies don't care about who's more popular or who the fans think is gonna win. They use statistics and hard facts when they set the lines.

 

[duragezic]

Well I'm certainly excited to see it.

For Cain vs Brock, well I think the odds up there are about right. I see Brock having an advantage but it wouldn't be impossible for Cain to win. If he doesn't, he's still relatively young and can have a lot more ahead of him. Considering his great wrestling base, good striking, seems to me he could become even better by improving his BJJ skills more.

Also I see a lot of guys write off Couture and yes he's quite old, but I thought his fight with Brock was interesting two years ago. Until he got caught by Brock, I thought they were pretty evenly matched. Couture was generally able to handle Brock's wrestling I thought. And Couture is smaller than Velasquez. So while it's a big size advantage I don't see Cain unable to handle him.

 

[erikistired]

we saw the same thread before the carwin fight. we get it, you hate brock. but the dude keeps winning. i'd love to see lesnar fall, but i don't think cain is going to be the one who does it. hoping carwin gets some cardio work in and gets a rematch.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

IMO Brock takes this. He will get peppered on his feet but will eventually get the takedown and then hammerfist Cain into ground beef. The only heavyweight in the UFC who can beat Brock is Carwin.

 

[Woosta]

IMO Brock takes this. He will get peppered on his feet but will eventually get the takedown and then hammerfist Cain into ground beef. The only heavyweight in the UFC who can beat Brock is Carwin.

 

[QueBert]

we saw the same thread before the carwin fight. we get it, you hate brock. but the dude keeps winning. i'd love to see lesnar fall, but i don't think cain is going to be the one who does it. hoping carwin gets some cardio work in and gets a rematch.

What's great about the Lesnar haters is the consistency at which they flip-flop.

EVERY fight since Herring

pre fight "Brock's going to lose, he sucks and doesn't have the level of experience [insert fighters name] has."
post fight "[fighters name] [insert excuse]" For Herring it was he's too old and past his prime, even though pre fight Herring was going to use his experience to smash Lesnar.

Randy pre fight was a way better fighter
post fight "old and washed up"

mir 2nd time "Brock has no chance"
post mir "Mir was never a legit HW"

Carwin pre "finally somebody as big as Brock, the only reason he won his last 3 fights were because he was so much bigger, WAR CARWIN!"
post Carwin - 1 of 2 excuses "Carwin has never fought anyone so he wasn't really a top ranked HW." 2 - "he gassed out, Brock didn't win Carwin beat himself"

Sherdog.net is great to watch them talking all the shit in the world pre fight and basically making every excuse in the world after. I loved after the Carwin fight "yeah but he looked like a bitch in the 1st round" Totally ignoring the fact he WON the fight. I have won a ton of cash from Brock haters, and this weekend will be no different.

 

[coreyb]

doesnt change the fact he's a boring fighter and marketing tool

 

[erikistired]

What's great about the Lesnar haters is the consistency at which they flip-flop.

EVERY fight since Herring

pre fight "Brock's going to lose, he sucks and doesn't have the level of experience [insert fighters name] has."
post fight "[fighters name] [insert excuse]" For Herring it was he's too old and past his prime, even though pre fight Herring was going to use his experience to smash Lesnar.

Randy pre fight was a way better fighter
post fight "old and washed up"

mir 2nd time "Brock has no chance"
post mir "Mir was never a legit HW"

Carwin pre "finally somebody as big as Brock, the only reason he won his last 3 fights were because he was so much bigger, WAR CARWIN!"
post Carwin - 1 of 2 excuses "Carwin has never fought anyone so he wasn't really a top ranked HW." 2 - "he gassed out, Brock didn't win Carwin beat himself"

Sherdog.net is great to watch them talking all the shit in the world pre fight and basically making every excuse in the world after. I loved after the Carwin fight "yeah but he looked like a bitch in the 1st round" Totally ignoring the fact he WON the fight. I have won a ton of cash from Brock haters, and this weekend will be no different.

personally i don't like brock's attitude, although i will admit he has humbled himself quite a bit. if carwin hadn't gassed so quick i think he would taken the belt, but the fact remains he did, and brock capitalized on it. dude finds a way to win, and i have to respect that. if nothing else, it makes for entertaining fights. i don't get bored watching brock try and hump out a win, he certainly brings the pain.

i try to avoid sherdog, that place is a cesspool. i prefer mmajunkie myself.

doesnt change the fact he's a boring fighter and marketing tool

how can you call lesnar a boring fighter?

 

[coreyb]

taking guys down and beating them with rabbit punches in half guard is exciting?

 

[erikistired]

taking guys down and beating them with rabbit punches in half guard is exciting?

what do you want him to do? lay on a guy like gsp does?

 

[coreyb]

how many knockouts has brock had? how many submissions? he's a big oaf and wins because of his size and athleticism. I respect that, but I don't like watching his fights.

 

[coreyb]

lol, are you seriously trying to say Brock is a more exciting/better fighter then GSP!?

 

[QueBert]

taking guys down and beating them with rabbit punches in half guard is exciting?

Ummm, I don't think those were rabbit punches. Mir's face looked like somebody has smashed strawberries all over it, and I'm not talking an hour later at the press conference. I mean 20 seconds later when he was trying to stand up and couldn't.

 

[erikistired]

lol, are you seriously trying to say Brock is a more exciting/better fighter then GSP!?

more exciting? uh, yes. gsp humps guys for 5 rounds into submission. at least brock throws punches. the last few gsp fights were boring as hell.

to answer your other question, all of his fights (all 5 of them? ha) but one have ended in KO or submission. herring was UD, mir and couture were KO. carwin was submission. hell even his loss is by submission! he finishes fights, how is that not exciting?

 

[QueBert]

more exciting? uh, yes. gsp humps guys for 5 rounds into submission. at least brock throws punches. the last few gsp fights were boring as hell.

to answer your other question, all of his fights (all 5 of them? ha) but one have ended in KO or submission. herring was UD, mir and couture were KO. carwin was submission. hell even his loss is by submission! he finishes fights, how is that not exciting?

During Mir 2, a large part of the the crowd started to boo and chant "stand them up! stand them up!" I've never heard that at a UFC event, and I've seen every single one. I've heard booing, but never "stand them up!" The ironic part was just a fight earlier was GSP laying on top of Alvez for 5 rounds. He dominated but it was one of the most boring fights imaginable. The ironic part not a single chant over 25 minutes of GSP's LNP of "stand them up booo!" yet Brock got it after about 60 seconds.

 

[coreyb]

gsp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0NPr5uTUno

lesnar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPSu_EbZUO0

god lesnars video sucked.

 

[erikistired]

gsp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0NPr5uTUno

lesnar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPSu_EbZUO0

god lesnars video sucked.

really? youtube highlight clips? wow.

 

[coreyb]

What about them? They aren't biased at all. Both made by fans of each fighter.

 

[TurtleCrusher]

I don't like Lesnar, but he's got this fight in the bag. Cain is too small. Cain is going to run into the same problem Kongo had in his last fight. 30lb disadvantage which leads to reacting, and add that Lesnar has the ability to dictate where a fight goes.

Lesnar has learned from EVERY mistake that has happened in his pro fights. He's a really quick study and that will lead him to greatness. Wasn't he trying to be an NFL defensive end a few years back? This guy is versatile and quick. Don't forget he's huge for his weight.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

BUMP since this thread was started before the other, go lock his.

 

[coreyb]

yeah he tried and failed to be a NFL defensive end. I heard an interview with a football player that was there, and said lesnar pussed out big time when he got tackled.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

What's great about the Lesnar haters is the consistency at which they flip-flop.

EVERY fight since Herring

pre fight "Brock's going to lose, he sucks and doesn't have the level of experience [insert fighters name] has."
post fight "[fighters name] [insert excuse]" For Herring it was he's too old and past his prime, even though pre fight Herring was going to use his experience to smash Lesnar.

Randy pre fight was a way better fighter
post fight "old and washed up"

mir 2nd time "Brock has no chance"
post mir "Mir was never a legit HW"

Carwin pre "finally somebody as big as Brock, the only reason he won his last 3 fights were because he was so much bigger, WAR CARWIN!"
post Carwin - 1 of 2 excuses "Carwin has never fought anyone so he wasn't really a top ranked HW." 2 - "he gassed out, Brock didn't win Carwin beat himself"

Sherdog.net is great to watch them talking all the shit in the world pre fight and basically making every excuse in the world after. I loved after the Carwin fight "yeah but he looked like a bitch in the 1st round" Totally ignoring the fact he WON the fight. I have won a ton of cash from Brock haters, and this weekend will be no different.

The people on Sherdog are retards and that cycle of hype/excuses goes on before/after every title fight. But lets be fair, Lesnar running away from Carwin and turtling was one of the most pathetic things I've seen in MMA for a while. Brock is very athletic and coming along quickly but that fight showed his standup is nonexistent. I'm sure hes been working on it so I'm curious as to what kind of improvement we'll see.