UFC 121 Lesnar vs Velasquez

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Josh

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Could not agree more. Joe is one of my favorite people ( in the "I have never met" category) He is a Brown Belt under 1 of the Machado's I think, a brown shirt under Bravo, and a TKD black belt. He is also in excellent shape, and I have read, strong as hell.

He schooled some punk that trash talked him on facebook or something. I remember seeing the vid. He just destroyed the kid rolling.

His only real issue, is he is too biased during the fights. Like he has money riding on it or something.

He also chumped out Carlos Mencia for stealing jokes. Youtube it. Funny.
 

QueBert

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Could not agree more. Joe is one of my favorite people ( in the "I have never met" category) He is a Brown Belt under 1 of the Machado's I think, a brown shirt under Bravo, and a TKD black belt. He is also in excellent shape, and I have read, strong as hell.

He schooled some punk that trash talked him on facebook or something. I remember seeing the vid. He just destroyed the kid rolling.

His only real issue, is he is too biased during the fights. Like he has money riding on it or something.

He's a super biased idiot who would toss Randy Couture and 95% of the higher level BJJ dudes salads in a heartbeat. He tends to also gets overly excited when any semi decent looking punch lands and yell out shit like "he rocked him! he's hurt baaaad!" when half the time the dude wasn't even phased. His knowledge of MMA's deep, but I wish he would leave and they'd replace him with Bas. Goldberg is whatever to me, but I think Goldie + Bas would be a lot better than Goldie + Joe. They've been a team for yeeears now and they still have little to no chemistry.
 

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He also chumped out Carlos Mencia for stealing jokes. Youtube it. Funny.
Yeah, I have seen that, good stuff. Even better, is how he handled that drunk chick heckling him.



He's a super biased idiot who would toss Randy Couture and 95% of the higher level BJJ dudes salads in a heartbeat. He tends to also gets overly excited when any semi decent looking punch lands and yell out shit like "he rocked him! he's hurt baaaad!" when half the time the dude wasn't even phased. His knowledge of MMA's deep, but I wish he would leave and they'd replace him with Bas. Goldberg is whatever to me, but I think Goldie + Bas would be a lot better than Goldie + Joe. They've been a team for yeeears now and they still have little to no chemistry.
You are one of the few I have read suggest that. Mostly, it is shit can Mike, and bring in someone else for Joe.

Myself, I like it as is. Mike is unintentionally hilarious at times. Joe is just cool, and I like that he gets so excited about the fights. Hell, a lot of guys would be phoning it in by now.

To each his own I suppose.
 

umbrella39

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That answers my question. Particularly given that you chose to interpret the question out of context. You are a fantasy leaguer; which is fine. But your "knowledge" should be seen in the proper light.

That you do not train, and have never fought in combat sports, also explains a lot about your disrespectful comments towards fighters. It is because you could not possibly empathize with them. Or understand what it is like to be in with someone that "has your number".

Congratulations, you are like 99 percent of Sherdog.

Spot on review.
 

Number1

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He's a super biased idiot who would toss Randy Couture and 95% of the higher level BJJ dudes salads in a heartbeat. He tends to also gets overly excited when any semi decent looking punch lands and yell out shit like "he rocked him! he's hurt baaaad!" when half the time the dude wasn't even phased. His knowledge of MMA's deep, but I wish he would leave and they'd replace him with Bas. Goldberg is whatever to me, but I think Goldie + Bas would be a lot better than Goldie + Joe. They've been a team for yeeears now and they still have little to no chemistry.

You're just bitter because Woosta schooled you.
You zero Lesnar got a well deserved beating and was exposed as a pussie and as not very talented. His size is the only thing he has going for him.

I can't see him ever regaining the title.
 

QueBert

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You're just bitter because Woosta schooled you.
You zero Lesnar got a well deserved beating and was exposed as a pussie and as not very talented. His size is the only thing he has going for him.

I can't see him ever regaining the title.

The only thing Woosta schooled me on was the fact I've been slipping by not having him on my ignore list. Lesnar wasn't exposed he lost, everyone loses sooner or later. I'm still a fan of his and will continue to be. Being exposed would have been losing to a chump, not one of the best fighters in the world. I like Cain, and if JDS beats him, which there's a good chance, I don't say "ohhhh Cain was exposed!" You and Woosta must be on Sherdog, I had to stop going there completely because of idiots like you 2. Sad it's carrying over to ATOT, but the ignore features a god send, I only wish when I have somebody on ignore list Woosta it would also block anything he says that was quoted by somebody else. If this is possible I'm going to write a Firefox add-on to handle it.
 

TheLonelyPhoenix

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I actually just wanted to come back and make fun of you for comparing a Velasquez win to TridenT losing his virginity. But Woosta has taken all the fun out of it for me.
 

QueBert

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Carwin is out of UFC 125 vs Nelson, may have back surgery.

Brock Vs Big Country would be real interesting, I don't want to see Brock smash Mir again, not now any ways. A fews sites were mentioning a possible Lesnar Vs Gonzaga match up, but I think Dana is probably going to end up cutting Gab after his last loss. Outside of Nelson I don't see any other fights for Brock. He would send Cro Cop or Nog into retirement, and Barry has said he doesn't want to fight Brock. Mitrione would fight him, but I don't think it would be good. Yvel is done after his last fight, and as much as I like Buentello he's past his prime and would get owned by Lesnar. If Lesnar wants to bounce fight back and fight Nelson makes the most sense. But if I gotta watch him beat Mir bloody and silly again so be it.
 

RPD

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You'd think they'd keep some warm bodies and slowly work him back up this time.
 

QueBert

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You'd think they'd keep some warm bodies and slowly work him back up this time.

Even coming off a loss he's still going to be the highest paid fighter in the UFC, Dana isn't going to pay him 2-5 million for him to fight cans. My guess is he fights Nelson, and if he dominates he'll get a title shot after that. At worst he's 2 wins away from a shot at the belt. I think it all comes down to how he does in his next fight though.
 

RPD

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The only problem is why not just admit you brought him along too fast and do it right this time since he is such a cash cow?

Most champs, after a loss typically have to win 4-5 in a row to get another shot.
 

OCGuy

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The only problem is why not just admit you brought him along too fast and do it right this time since he is such a cash cow?

Most champs, after a loss typically have to win 4-5 in a row to get another shot.

Not in the UFC. Where did you pull those #s?
 

the DRIZZLE

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The only thing Woosta schooled me on was the fact I've been slipping by not having him on my ignore list. Lesnar wasn't exposed he lost, everyone loses sooner or later. I'm still a fan of his and will continue to be. Being exposed would have been losing to a chump, not one of the best fighters in the world. I like Cain, and if JDS beats him, which there's a good chance, I don't say "ohhhh Cain was exposed!" You and Woosta must be on Sherdog, I had to stop going there completely because of idiots like you 2. Sad it's carrying over to ATOT, but the ignore features a god send, I only wish when I have somebody on ignore list Woosta it would also block anything he says that was quoted by somebody else. If this is possible I'm going to write a Firefox add-on to handle it.

To be fair he was exposed because of how bad he looked. Many people claimed the same thing after Carwin fight but Lesnar had the plausable defense that Carwin was known for his power and he did what he had to to weather the storm. At this point its clear that Lesnar is completer lost when it comes to basic striking. The rumors that he doesn't get hit in face when sparing appear to be true. He also looked terrible off his back. He didn't attempt to pull guard or anything. He seems to have a lot of instincts of someone who hasn't trained that much.

I thought that despite the holes in Lesnar's game he would be able to win but its almost like a reverse James Toney situation, he's that bad at striking. In modern MMA its really hard to succeed to with major holes in your game. I can see it going in one of two directions at this point. Either Lesnar packs it in after another fight or two, or he starts over and learns to accept getting hit in the face. If he doesn't stop turning away and turtling hes going to have a short career.


I'll also give credit where its due. Cain looked fantastic, particularly his wrestling.
 

the DRIZZLE

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Brock Vs Big Country would be real interesting, I don't want to see Brock smash Mir again, not now any ways. A fews sites were mentioning a possible Lesnar Vs Gonzaga match up, but I think Dana is probably going to end up cutting Gab after his last loss. Outside of Nelson I don't see any other fights for Brock. He would send Cro Cop or Nog into retirement, and Barry has said he doesn't want to fight Brock. Mitrione would fight him, but I don't think it would be good. Yvel is done after his last fight, and as much as I like Buentello he's past his prime and would get owned by Lesnar. If Lesnar wants to bounce fight back and fight Nelson makes the most sense. But if I gotta watch him beat Mir bloody and silly again so be it.

Yeah I agree Brock v BC makes the most sense. While everyone enjoys watching Mir get beat up theres no reason for them to fight again. The only problem is I don't think Brock would be ready to fight again by UFC 125 so it would have to be moved out a few months. Brock probably beats Roy but as we've seen if you can tag Lesnar even once he's beatable.
 

RPD

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Brock has a 180day medical suspension, I highly doubt his eye is going to heal in time to get any real training in, seeing as UFC 125 is 1/1/11.

I agree with your points Drizzle, people like him because he's such a freak athlete if he just got his shit together he has the potential to dominate like none other.

I say the last half of his next camp, they just restraint him and punch him in the face til he likes it. :awe: (With the first half just working striking/boxing)
 

coreyb

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Quebert, Brock sucks. I'm going on the record here, he will NEVER have the belt again. He was exposed for the pussy he is. He was DOMINATED, utterly and completely.
 

DangerAardvark

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To be fair he was exposed because of how bad he looked. Many people claimed the same thing after Carwin fight but Lesnar had the plausable defense that Carwin was known for his power and he did what he had to to weather the storm. At this point its clear that Lesnar is completer lost when it comes to basic striking. The rumors that he doesn't get hit in face when sparing appear to be true. He also looked terrible off his back. He didn't attempt to pull guard or anything. He seems to have a lot of instincts of someone who hasn't trained that much.

I thought that despite the holes in Lesnar's game he would be able to win but its almost like a reverse James Toney situation, he's that bad at striking. In modern MMA its really hard to succeed to with major holes in your game. I can see it going in one of two directions at this point. Either Lesnar packs it in after another fight or two, or he starts over and learns to accept getting hit in the face. If he doesn't stop turning away and turtling hes going to have a short career.


I'll also give credit where its due. Cain looked fantastic, particularly his wrestling.

Yup, Cain won because he was the first guy able to sprawl and brawl with Lesnar. Even Mir tagged him with a couple of good shots standing, but he couldn't stay on his feet or get up off his back. Plus, as the Cro Crop fight amply demonstrated, his takedowns are atrocious.
 

Woosta

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That answers my question. Particularly given that you chose to interpret the question out of context. You are a fantasy leaguer; which is fine. But your "knowledge" should be seen in the proper light.

That you do not train, and have never fought in combat sports, also explains a lot about your disrespectful comments towards fighters. It is because you could not possibly empathize with them. Or understand what it is like to be in with someone that "has your number".

Congratulations, you are like 99 percent of Sherdog.

Nice assumption, which is completely wrong. I have been training for the last year in MMA ( particularly emphasizing on Kickboxing/MT/Boxing and have just gotten started with wrestling/BJJ ) at a local gym in Rockville. Sure, it isn't AKA but I do have experience sparring.

Since you are ridiculing me for not training, I assume you do train. If so, how long have you been training and what do you train?

In before you laugh at me for being a white belt @ BJJ.

By the way...

99% of the people in this thread are fantasy leaguers. Why don't you go and ridicule them? Especially the ones who gave an inaccurate prediction. Since I "dont have training" why did I give a more accurate prediction? Won't that make the people who do have training and gave inaccurate predictions look bad?
 
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By the way...

99% of the people in this thread are fantasy leaguers. Why don't you go and ridicule them? Especially the ones who gave an inaccurate prediction. Since I "dont have training" why did I give a more accurate prediction? Won't that make the people who do have training and gave inaccurate predictions look bad?

Probably because you are the only guy on the forums that replies with some stupid gif Everytime you post in the mma threads. The animated gifs and constant ______ Got owned lol comments get old.
 

Woosta

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That answers my question. Particularly given that you chose to interpret the question out of context. You are a fantasy leaguer; which is fine. But your "knowledge" should be seen in the proper light.

That you do not train, and have never fought in combat sports, also explains a lot about your disrespectful comments towards fighters. It is because you could not possibly empathize with them. Or understand what it is like to be in with someone that "has your number".

Congratulations, you are like 99 percent of Sherdog.

To quote a friend..

If you are concluding that because someone has not experienced x, that he or she is unable to classify an opinion on x or can not obtain an expertise on x, then you are participating in a delusion. Sure, someone who doesn't fight Mixed Martial Arts is expected to be less knowledgable than someone who does, but that isn't necessarilly always the case, so it is a bad practice to constantly conclude things from your *presumptive* nature. I know tons of people who never went to school for certain disciplines but are obviously more knowledgable than those who have. Using your own logic against you, then humanity would be void of an opinion or the declaration of expertise of a lot of things. Are you a religious person? How can you have an opinion on the afterlife? You have never experienced it. Have you been murdered before? Obviously not, so using your own logic, you are void from having an opinion on it. This explanation of your fallacious logic is pretty redundant anyway, because your attack is nothing more than ad-hominem, which is not a legitimate argument.
 
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