UFC 126: Ando vs Vitor Belfort

[Woosta]

he wasn't murdering people with it tho.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

non striker sonnen taught us one thing you got to bring PEDs against Silva.

fify

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Looks like I sucked the big fat one picking Belfort and Franklin well at least I got JJ right. Belfort was a tool letting Silva pick his shots and find range, if sonnen, yes sonnen, non striker sonnen taught us one thing you got to bring it to Silva. Meh poor game plan standing there 3 minutes circling and deservedly fail. About as bad as jumping in the guard of Werdum.

Vitor did not let Silva do anything, he just could not stop him from doing it.

Sonnen is among the best at using wrestling for MMA. Vitor did not have that option, and as the Forrest fight demonstrated, bringing it to Silva on the feet will get you outclassed. Which is exactly what happened to Vitor; he just got out classed. I honestly think Silva had bad ribs in that fight too. He did not look right, and I think he just gutted it out.

 

[duragezic]

Alright so UFC still has the Kid-Johnson fight up so I was able to watch it.

Kid was pretty disappointing but Johnson did a great job. It seems like with his wrestling background, he could have done a better job stuffing takedowns he just wasn't planning on having to. In his post fight interview with Ariel Helwani he was sorry for his performance and that would he work on it for the next time. So I'm sure he'll work that and be a lot better next time.

Man I want Shogun to win but I have to think that Jones is gonna win the title! The thing is that Shogun has been taken down a number of times by guys with nowhere near the wrestling of Jones. And his fights after knee injuries/layoffs looked horrible. I mean the Coleman fight Coleman was like a zombie punching bag and he still couldn't put him away.

And in his first fight with Machida, he threw lots of devasting kicks, but I'd have to think throwing those kicks against a wrestler like Jones is gonna get him taken down way easy. I hear people say "Shogun's BJJ is insane and elite" but he's only submitted like one guy in all of his fights.

I guess one thing he has going for him is he thought he was facing Rashad, another great wrestler, so I'm sure he's been training takedown defense. I don't think it'll be enough though.

 

[bfdd]

Kid actually didn't look all that bad imo, Johnson's shot was just WICKED fast. You could see at times Kid realized it, but he was already over committed in the other move.

 

[JEDIYoda]

UFC 126: Ando vs Vitor Belfort

Your a freaking MMA wannabee...the dues name is NOT Ando...nobody but idiotic wannabee`s call the dude Ando!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I thought one of you two or both of you ignored me.

Anyway, most every MMA person I know ( mma-tv, sherdog, teamtakeover, UG ) calls him Ando. Takes too long to type his real name.

hahhaha you have no clue....if that was the case the newspapers would call him Ando......when people interviewed him they would call him Ando.......hahha facepalm on you....rofl.....hahahaa

 

[JEDIYoda]

I think the key point you're missing is "I know" referring to people I hang out with or talk on a daily basis. Most of sherdog I don't know.

You only wish you hung out with real MMA people......too funny!!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hector Lombard vs Anderson Silva would be a monster fight as well.

get real dude......HeLo would have no chance in hell....

 

[JEDIYoda]

There's a difference - Fedor is still the greatest.
Brock was exposed.

Fedor the greatest??
What are you smokin??

 

[Woosta]

Fedor the greatest??
What are you smokin??

Refute the claim, please? It's pretty much unanimous that he is the greatest.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Refute the claim, please? It's pretty much unanimous that he is the greatest.

refute what?? You can`t even prove it....

 

[JackBurton]

refute what?? You can`t even prove it....

Fedor IS regarded as the top heavyweight MMA fighter.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

He was using it way before Seagal.

I have beat this dead horse so long, it is now a steak for Overeem to eat. But, here Silva is explaining that Seagal helped him to improve it http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Silva-on-The-Kick-Heard-Around-the-World-2866

 

[Woosta]

I have beat this dead horse so long, it is now a steak for Overeem to eat. But, here Silva is explaining that Seagal helped him to improve it http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Silva-on-The-Kick-Heard-Around-the-World-2866

I've seen all the videos of that already, but Anderson has successfully used that kick throughout his career numerous times; it just happened to land on point tonight. I heavily doubt Seagal really helped with the technique.. it's more Anderson Silva than anything. I feel at this point Anderson is just very respectful towards Seagal and willing to let him take credit for it out of sheer respect.

None of the aikido techniques that Seagal has taught Machida/Ando have any practical use in the octagon. Seagal can't even lift his leg up to properly show the technique unlike Rogan who's a LEGIT TKD guy showing GSP the spin kick.

I think we can agree to disengage in this argument, though. Nice overeem line.

 

[Crazee]

Actually Fedor is no longer regarded as the greatest MMA heavyweight. That honor belongs to Cain. He is ranked #1 among almost any rankings you will find now. Many sites have Fedor as 2-4.

Fedor is generally regarded as the greatest heavyweight of all time. For him to get back to the #1 spot now, he needs to dominate in the Strikeforce tournament. If he can win the entire tournament in convincing fashion then he will probably get back to the top of the rankings.

 

[snoopdoug1]

I've seen all the videos of that already, but Anderson has successfully used that kick throughout his career numerous times; it just happened to land on point tonight. I heavily doubt Seagal really helped with the technique.. it's more Anderson Silva than anything. I feel at this point Anderson is just very respectful towards Seagal and willing to let him take credit for it out of sheer respect.

None of the aikido techniques that Seagal has taught Machida/Ando have any practical use in the octagon. Seagal can't even lift his leg up to properly show the technique unlike Rogan who's a LEGIT TKD guy showing GSP the spin kick.

I think we can agree to disengage in this argument, though. Nice overeem line.

How can you dispute that Anderson (not Ando) is saying that Seagal helped him perfect the kick?

 

[waggy]

I've seen all the videos of that already, but Anderson has successfully used that kick throughout his career numerous times; it just happened to land on point tonight. I heavily doubt Seagal really helped with the technique.. it's more Anderson Silva than anything. I feel at this point Anderson is just very respectful towards Seagal and willing to let him take credit for it out of sheer respect.

None of the aikido techniques that Seagal has taught Machida/Ando have any practical use in the octagon. Seagal can't even lift his leg up to properly show the technique unlike Rogan who's a LEGIT TKD guy showing GSP the spin kick.

I think we can agree to disengage in this argument, though. Nice overeem line.

ok who are we to beleive. you? or "ando" heh

 

[QueBert]

Anderson's one of the most arrogant fuckers on the planet, there's no way in hell he would give Segal any credit here unless it was deserved. Nobody can explain why Anderson & Machida have been for months now paying Segal money to train with them. Regardless of what people who don't know shit think, he obviously possesses knowledge that 2 of the best fighters on the planet feel is useful to them.

 

[Woosta]

Actually Fedor is no longer regarded as the greatest MMA heavyweight. That honor belongs to Cain. He is ranked #1 among almost any rankings you will find now. Many sites have Fedor as 2-4.

Fedor is generally regarded as the greatest heavyweight of all time. For him to get back to the #1 spot now, he needs to dominate in the Strikeforce tournament. If he can win the entire tournament in convincing fashion then he will probably get back to the top of the rankings.

You just debated yourself and won the argument for me. Fedor is the greatest heavyweight and arguably mixed martial artist/fighter of all time, however is not currently not #1 ranked in the world.

Michael Jordan was not #1 ranked, nor was he MVP in his last few seasons nor did the Wizards win the championships but he was still regarded by many as the greatest to ever play the game.

 

[Duder1no]

Franklyn vs Griffin: Loser Gets Tattooed!!! :biggrin:

WTF cannot embed youtube in here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQTKMfWQjow

Rich Franklin Follows Through With UFC 126 Bet, Gets Tattoo

By Raj Giri | February 19, 2011

Source: MMAFighting

Apparently Rich Franklin took the loser-gets-tattooed talk from UFC 126 seriously.
Franklin and Forrest Griffin joked last month that the loser of their UFC 126 bout would get tattooed, since neither fighter had ever been inked. Griffin joked that the loser should get a "big, flaming dragon tattoo, or something just hideous."

Griffin defeated Franklin via unanimous decision at the event and Franklin's manager, JT Stewart, told MMAFighting.com that the former UFC middleweight champion followed through and got a dragon tattoo on his back.

"I tried to talk him into getting Forrest on his ankle. He said no," said Stewart.

Griffin was surprised that Franklin went through with the bet, stating that he didn't even know that it was official.

"I don't believe it," Griffin told MMA Fighting. "We didn't even shake hands on it. I definitely would not be getting it if I lost. I'd be like, 'Yeah, yeah, of course,' but then if I lost, you would have to knock me out to get me in that chair.

"If he really gets it, I'll pay for his tattoo removal," he continued. "I did get the win [bonus] money. I got a couple extra bucks so I guess I can take care of it if he wants to get rid of it."

 

[Crazee]

You just debated yourself and won the argument for me. Fedor is the greatest heavyweight and arguably mixed martial artist/fighter of all time, however is not currently not #1 ranked in the world.

Michael Jordan was not #1 ranked, nor was he MVP in his last few seasons nor did the Wizards win the championships but he was still regarded by many as the greatest to ever play the game.

Hey Woosta, you need to click here Maybe then you will learn how to read.

I said he is no longer regarded as the greatest (AS IN NOW). He is generally regarded as the greatest heavyweight thus far. There is a difference. People who regarded Michael Jordan as the Greatest Basketball player to play the game did not regard him as the greatest player playing his last few years.

Again please learn to read and understand the difference between greatest, greatest thus far, greatest of all time, and any other term revolving around greatest. Remember most of us don't throw the term greatest of all time around as much you seem to do.

 

[Woosta]

You're confusing yourself.

He is regarded as the greatest of all time now and thus far. He may not be considered the best at the moment according to most people, but he is both generally regarded as the greatest, the greatest thus far, the greatest of all time, etc.

 

[Crazee]

No actually as usual, you are the only one who is confused here. You throw hyperbole around like "far better", "GOAT" and then when you are called out you can't defend it. As I said the FIRST time, repeated a SECOND time and will now tell you again for a THIRD time. He is not the greatest now, he is generally regarded as the greatest of all time. Muhammad Ali is not the greatest now, but is generally regarded as the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. I can give you many more examples if you need then. Perhaps if I put some pictures in you would better understand?

Please learn to not only read, but comprehend what you read. You wonder why people jump on you in threads, perhaps it has to do with you inability to read and understand what others have posted. Maybe it has to do with your attitude that you are THE authority on MMA when you are frequently wrong and inaccurate. Maybe it has to do with your automatic labeling of anyone who opposes you as being Zuffa sheep when you don't know anything about the poster and their background. Maybe it has to do with your inability to admit you are wrong. Maybe it is your jumping on people accusing them of being bandwagon jumpers.

Actually I think it is all of the above.

 

[Woosta]

No actually as usual, you are the only one who is confused here. You throw hyperbole around like "far better", "GOAT" and then when you are called out you can't defend it. As I said the FIRST time, repeated a SECOND time and will now tell you again for a THIRD time. He is not the greatest now, he is generally regarded as the greatest of all time. Muhammad Ali is not the greatest now, but is generally regarded as the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time. I can give you many more examples if you need then. Perhaps if I put some pictures in you would better understand?

No one uses greatest now they say who's the best now. When you say greatest you are implying greatest of all time or who's the greatest thus far, who's the greatest thus far, up until this point, up until now. Just use "best now" and stop confusing people.

In before you start pasting from dictionary.com, because even if it is technically right to say "greatest now", NO ONE EVER USES THAT MONIKER.

*asking a random IRCer on MMA room*

04:50 <+Woosta> when someone says "greatest"
04:50 <+Woosta> that implies of all time
04:50 <+Woosta> Y/N
04:50 <@randomPerson> yup
04:50 <+Woosta> randomPerson
04:50 <+Woosta> is blake griffin the "greatest now" ?
04:50 <@randomPerson> greatest what?
04:50 <@randomPerson> hell no
04:50 <@randomPerson> heh
04:50 <+Woosta> this kid
04:50 <+Woosta> is using
04:50 <@randomPerson> this hooters dream girl show is awesome
04:50 <+Woosta> "greatest now"
04:50 <@randomPerson> tons of hot bitches
04:50 <+Woosta> no one uses that
04:50 <+Woosta> they say
04:50 <+Woosta> "best now"
04:50 <@randomPerson> if he said 'best now'
04:50 <+Woosta> not "greatest now"
04:50 <@randomPerson> best currently
04:50 <+Woosta> RIGHT
04:51 <+Woosta> RIGHT
04:51 <@randomPerson> then it would make sense
04:51 <+Woosta> IM TRYING
04:51 <+Woosta> TO
04:51 <+Woosta> TELL
04:51 <+Woosta> HIM
04:51 <+Woosta> THAT
04:51 <+Woosta> LOL
04:51 <@randomPerson> he's a moron
04:51 <@randomPerson> greatest is the apex