There's nothing to re-read. Your entire argument revolves around him gaining 30lbs over a course of 3-4 years as "unpossible", with no factual evidence to back your claims that he uses PED's.
There's nothing to re-read. Your entire argument revolves around him gaining 30lbs over a course of 3-4 years as "unpossible", with no factual evidence to back your claims that he uses PED's.Listen, I'm not going go over this whole discussion again for you. If you want to know what's already been covered, go back and read my posts again.
But to answer your question, yes, you live in fantasy land.
There's nothing to re-read. Your entire argument revolves around him gaining 30lbs over a course of 3-4 years as "unpossible", with no factual evidence to back your claims that he uses PED's.
Ok fine, time to take you to school.
First of all he weighed in at 263lbs with timberland boots and jeans on. Get your fucking facts right or stop talking. Second, he looks huge because, he's NOT cutting any water weight. He walks around at whatever he weighs in at.
Example A -How much you think he weighs? 155lbs. He must roid too right?
B)170lbs. Shredded so he must do roids.
C)Oh another 170lb'er. Must be another roider he's ripped!
Since we are talking about HW's:
The last one is Cheick Kongo, what do you think he weighs? It's only 240lbs.
I could keep going, but all you need to do is look at ANY fighter on weigh in day, but I'll leave it with one of the best (or worst) examples, Phil Davis, dude looks 100% gross cutting down to 205lbs -
I'll present the math to you one last time, I can only ask you read it, I can't make you understand it.
When fighters "cut" weight, they cut 10-12% total body weight. For 205lb'ers that means typically 20-30lbs, more in extreme cases. I didn't follow how hard his cut was at 205, but lets just say it was 25lbs. That means he typically walked around at 230lbs. Fighters aren't stupid either. They know they have to cut weight and won't allow their "walking around" weight to get that above normal, because the bigger the cut the less stamina you have, it's just harder on the body. So Overeem, knowing he had to cut 30ish pounds limited himself to a weigh so he could make a reasonable cut. When he decided to ditch the limit and goto HW, he grew into his massive 6'-5" frame and put on a lot of pounds. He did it over YEARS, and only added 30lbs. This isn't hard to do, why you think so is beyond me.
You seem to think everyone in MMA does roids, well they actually don't. They pass the tests and continue to fight. In the UFC if you do get caught cheating multiple times, you don't fight in that orginization anymore, ala Josh Barnett.
I'm sorry it was hard for YOU to put on muscle mass on a part time basis. But you aren't the measuring stick here.
Until fighters piss dirty I give them the benefit of the doubt, and Overeem hasn't gone from 205 to 260 overnight. Did I miss anything?
Also keep stealth editing your posts, you just can't believe others can gain muscle mass because you CAN'T, thus everyone roids. Got it.
Are all these guys 5'3"? I'm 160 lbs and I'm about 3 times skinnier than all of them.Ok fine, time to take you to school.
He finally did provide a urine sample to a reputable lab in the U.S....28 DAYS after it was requested!
Like I said....where there's smoke, there's fire. But, it probably is just the horse meat!
While most if not all of these guys above probably do some intense weight training, proportionally, all are train wrecks in regards to body building standards compared to Overeem.
It has nothing to do with being cynical, but simply being realistic enough to have a sensible opinion about how he got the build he currently has.
lol, TOP competition. That's hilarious. You do understand Anderson Silva was losing in Pride and then came to the UFC and cleaned house, right? Also, the Pride fighters that came over were pretty much past their prime.
Rampage was IMO an average fighter in Pride that kept getting his ass handed to him by Wanderlei Silva. And Wanderlei Silva was a fighter that kept his win streak up by fighting Japanese cans. He out weighed pretty much all his opponents and didn't really have to worry about getting hit. And by the time Wanderlei came to the UFC he was already washed up. Wanderlei first shot in the big leagues though WAS in UFC. And he was QUICKLY beaten by Vitor Belfort. He then went to Pride. I was never really that impressed with Rua either, but I think he actually lost something when he came to the UFC.
Fedor on the other hand was a TOP fighter, and you have to be smoking crack to think otherwise. That's like saying Mike Tyson was not a top fighter because he lost his last few fights. It's simple, Fedor is pretty much past his prime, and looks like he just wants to retire but something or someone won't let him.
Dan Henderson is the man, and for anyone to question his abilities as a fighter is simply moronic. He IS a top fighter, no question about it.
The UFC DOES have some good fighters now like Jon Jones, Frank Mir, GSP and .....well, I can only think or 3 right now. And their undefeated champ is from Pride (Anderson Silva). As a whole, Pride had MUCH better fighters with impressive credentials. Not some loser being training out of some stupid made up training camp. Even the UFC fighters knew the best fighter were in Pride. The BIG names were in Pride, NOT in the UFC when Pride was around.
And you have to be kidding me about Tito and Liddell. Talk about subpar fighters. They made what UFC is today? LOL! Liddell came over to Pride in their tournament and was only able to beat a VERY young Overeem. And Overeem was NOTHING like you see now. But if you want to see a rematch now, I'm sure it would be a VERY quick fight. I don't think Liddell would take that challenge though.
Using roids doesn't necessarily mean you're trying to pack on size. Helps you train longer and recover faster. Usually lift more also. You're looking at him once he's peaked. You should be looking at him when while he's in PCT. This is when he's most susceptible to sides and most likely looking bloated/puffy if he put on weight.
If he was looking for pure size, he could could just use insulin/gh.
Gee, I don't think I've ever see that time line pic beforeLadies and gentlemen of the jury, let me reintroduce circumstantial exhibit A...
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Oh, and Reem was only granted a conditional license to fight. He tried to get a urine sample taken in Europe to apply for his NV license. Surprisingly, the NSAC said "no"! :O
In fact, the Nevada athletic commission requested a sample on November 17th. As per the NASC's rules, a sample HAD to be submitted at a reputable lab within 48 hours. Literally hours after the NSAC informed Overeem that he needed to submit a urine sample, he was on a plane to Holland!
He finally did provide a urine sample to a reputable lab in the U.S....28 DAYS after it was requested!
Like I said....where there's smoke, there's fire. But, it probably is just the horse meat!
Would you stop beating the dead horse, Overeem would like to eat it now.Gee, I don't think I've ever see that time line pic before
Also, if you are going to bring up the NSAC hearing atleast provide all the entire story - http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/12/...ug-test-snafu-results-in-conditional-license/
His mother was recovering from cancer treatments and he flew back to be with her. Planning an international flight from Vegas to Holland in the same day seems rather difficult to pull off.
Read it how you want.
Would you stop beating the dead horse, Overeem would like to eat it now.
Is there an exercise regimen I can adopt so that my head can also look like Overeem's?Gee, I don't think I've ever see that time line pic before
Also, if you are going to bring up the NSAC hearing atleast provide all the entire story - http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/12/...ug-test-snafu-results-in-conditional-license/
His mother was recovering from cancer treatments and he flew back to be with her. Planning an international flight from Vegas to Holland in the same day seems rather difficult to pull off.
Read it how you want.