UFC 143 Saturday Feb 4th

[indamixx99]

wow.. sore loser. he's retiring over that loss?

 

[anxi80]

I'm betting that 49-46 was from Cecil Peoples score card.

 

[leeland]

WTF he is retiring? because he lost? fuck him

I am no UFC fighter...but is there no points granted for someone chasing someone around the ring for 5 rounds?

I am not a fan of either fighter...I am curious to see what the response is? Diaz seemed like he was the more aggressive fighter...

Handling the loss like a cry baby...didn't win any points....imo

 

[waggy]

I am no UFC fighter...but is there no points granted for someone chasing someone around the ring for 5 rounds?

I am not a fan of either fighter...I am curious to see what the response is? Diaz seemed like he was the more aggressive fighter...

Handling the loss like a cry baby...didn't win any points....imo

conduit fought the fight he had to. to stand and trade wit nick is suicide. the guy has outstanding stamina, great BJJ and excellent boxing. now nick wins is he gets you stuck on the cage and swarms you with a bunch of punches.

so you need to avoid that. hit and run. that's what conduit did. but he didn't just run he would throw a few punches and leg kicks and get out before Diaz can swarm on him.

conduit out struck him. just because diaz pressed foreword does not earn you a win.

 

[JDMnAR1]

I am no UFC fighter...but is there no points granted for someone chasing someone around the ring for 5 rounds?

I am not a fan of either fighter...I am curious to see what the response is? Diaz seemed like he was the more aggressive fighter...

Handling the loss like a cry baby...didn't win any points....imo

Condit landed more shots, and while Diaz may have been pressing forward the whole fight it isn't like he was punishing Condit as he was doing so. Not sure that Diaz's showboating helped his case either.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Carlos basically did a standup GSP fight. Went for a decision win.

 

[waggy]

Carlos basically did a standup GSP fight. Went for a decision win.

sure. Doing so he controlled the fight. did far more damage. out struck diaz and didn't get hurt.

he made diaz look like a bitch and beat him so bad he decided to be a baby and "retire".

Conduit beat him mentally and physically.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

IMO the judges got it right. Condit definitely won rounds 1,3, and 4. Diaz won 5 and round 2 was a toss up. The only way you can score that fight for Diaz is if you give him the first round which I just don't think he won.

Roy needs to move down to LHW, he gives up way too much reach at HW to be competitive. He can easily lose another 20-25 lbs of fat and then cut the rest in water weight.

 

[Apex]

sure. Doing so he controlled the fight. did far more damage. out struck diaz and didn't get hurt.

he made diaz look like a bitch and beat him so bad he decided to be a baby and "retire".

Conduit beat him mentally and physically.

Agreed. Condit landed more strikes, landed more significant strikes, and did more damage. Diaz did more chasing and did one takedown. As much as his fans think that that earned him the win, it didn't.

Breakdown of the fight:

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3769

In detail:

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html

It's a pretty clear win, IMHO.



Also, IMHO, the really interesting thing about the fight is how much better Diaz's hands were than Condit.

You didn't even need to look at the fight that closely to see it. Diaz's boxing was just on another level compared to Condit. He had timing, precision, and speed on his side.

Despite this, Condit had the better game plan, and that eventually lead to his victory. Diaz was only really able to unleash on him when cornering him (and he did this impressively and clearly one time in the middle rounds). Condit wisely chose to avoid the cage walls.

One other thing worked against Diaz as well: Condit had the same reach (Diaz usually has reach advantage), and was 2" taller. This allowed him to more easily slip just beyond reach of Diaz's usually very effective jabs.

 

[snoopdoug1]

Me too, but I don't see it happening in this one. This is one of the first in a long time I'm not going to watch/pay for.

I will be watching Stephen Thompson fight Dan Stittgen on Facebook though. Thompson has an interesting fight past, I'm curious to see how it'll translate in to the UFC fight.

Thompson threw one heck of a headkick - best fight I saw all night... although I only saw the ones on FX

 

[Apex]

Thompson threw one heck of a headkick - best fight I saw all night... although I only saw the ones on FX

Yeah, loved that questionmark kick (or Brazilian kick if you prefer). You see those a lot in upper level kickboxing and knockdown, but rarely do MMA fighters have that kind of strike in their arsenal. Great placement on that technique, right behind the ear.

I'm really looking forward to Thompson's future fights. He throws a lot of techniques you don't see in MMA, so it'll be interesting to see how this works out.

 

[waggy]

Also, IMHO, the really interesting thing about the fight is how much better Diaz's hands were than Condit.

You didn't even need to look at the fight that closely to see it. Diaz's boxing was just on another level compared to Condit. He had timing, precision, and speed on his side.

Despite this, Condit had the better game plan, and that eventually lead to his victory. Diaz was only really able to unleash on him when cornering him (and he did this impressively and clearly one time in the middle rounds). Condit wisely chose to avoid the cage walls.

One other thing worked against Diaz as well: Condit had the same reach (Diaz usually has reach advantage), and was 2" taller. This allowed him to more easily slip just beyond reach of Diaz's usually very effective jabs.

Diaz is a great boxer. he has amazing hand speed, accuracy and stamina. Usually he gets people against the cage and swarms them with punches. they aren't hard but when you throw 20-30 as fast as most throw 2 they dont' have to be.

thats why conduits game plan was great. he didn't stand with him. he moved struck and moved.

it frustrated the hell out of diaz. broke him mentally too.

go to sherdog though. its funny how people are bitching at conduit for not standing there.

 

[Pantlegz]

Yeah, loved that questionmark kick (or Brazilian kick if you prefer). You see those a lot in upper level kickboxing and knockdown, but rarely do MMA fighters have that kind of strike in their arsenal. Great placement on that technique, right behind the ear.

I'm really looking forward to Thompson's future fights. He throws a lot of techniques you don't see in MMA, so it'll be interesting to see how this works out.

It'll be even more interesting when he gets an opponent that wasn't hand picked for him to beat. He's GSP's project and the UFC fed him a worthless fighter. Did the other guy even throw a punch? Put him in the cage with a decent wrestler/grappler and he's done.

 

[Apex]

Diaz is a great boxer. he has amazing hand speed, accuracy and stamina. Usually he gets people against the cage and swarms them with punches. they aren't hard but when you throw 20-30 as fast as most throw 2 they dont' have to be.

thats why conduits game plan was great. he didn't stand with him. he moved struck and moved.

it frustrated the hell out of diaz. broke him mentally too.

go to sherdog though. its funny how people are bitching at conduit for not standing there.

Yeah, totally agree. Funny how the fans are.

It'll be even more interesting when he gets an opponent that wasn't hand picked for him to beat. He's GSP's project and the UFC fed him a worthless fighter. Did the other guy even throw a punch? Put him in the cage with a decent wrestler/grappler and he's done.

While most of his background is kickboxing, I don't think it's quite that clear cut. He does have his Dan in BJJ under Carlos Machado, who is a legit competitor, and the last MMA fight Stephen finished was via submission.

While I do see takedowns as a possible challenge to him, I think such low hand placement, and sideways stance/body alignment does negate that somewhat. IMHO, his biggest competition may be against someone with great extension on his punches, that can match timing and cover range (plus the wrestling, of course). I'm guessing a 170lb equivalent of say, a Dan Henderson.

 

[QueBert]

Was funny as hell when Goldie was saying what Anderson was yelling to Werdum during the fight and Joe's like "uhh, you speak Portuguese?" Goldie pauses a few seconds and plays it off like he can understand Anderson because he's been to Brazil a few times with the UFC. Joe follows up with "I'm going to have ask the translator sitting by us if you were right" lol. After it was verified "Well I was close" Goldie. He never fails to amuse me.

And I laughed when Goldie was excited and proclaimed how Condit was still fighting with a full gas tank even after almost 15 rounds. When he meant 15 minutes lol.

Dean sucks for the 2 point deduction, dude should have got 1 taken away no doubt. But that 2nd cost him the fight. He filed something with the athletic commision to get it overturned. I'm not sure how that process works but I think the best he can hope for is to be ruled a no contest? Still would be better than a loss.

And of course Diaz saying in his interview "I respect Carlos as a fighter" but 2 seconds later saying all he did was hit him with kicks that didn't even do anything. It was a pretty close fight but Condit took it imho. I laughed when he said something to the effect of "I felt I was winning that fight or I would have submitted him" As if he could have finished the fight but decided he'd rather win on points. Listening to him talk he rarely ever makes much sense.


Sherdog's a trolling fest right now, this animated gif made me laugh, not that I agree at all. But this is how most of the dudes on there think happened.

 

[sleep]

condit won fair and square.

 

[Miramonti]

Diaz tested positive for weed

Rematch is off. retard.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Diaz tested positive for weed

Rematch is off. retard.

What an idiot. Although I don't see the point of testing for marijuana in athletic competitions unless we are talking about competitive eating.

 

[waggy]

What an idiot. Although I don't see the point of testing for marijuana in athletic competitions unless we are talking about competitive eating.

I read one report that said that marijuana may increase the pain threshold. so it would allow him to take more punishment.

not that it matters. Its against the rules. he decide to break those rules.

he is a fucking idiot

 

[Wingznut]

And it's his second failure. Two previous second time failures (for other MMA fighters) both resulted in one year suspensions. I would expect the same for Diaz.