UFC 172 Apr 26th PPV, 10PM/7PM ET/PT

[Childs]

hmmm...is Rumble that much better at 205 or did Davis look past him with all the trash talk he was doing towards Jones?

And I don't think this was one of Jones top 5 fights, let alone is best fight like everyone is saying. Maybe a surprise tactically, but all he did really was just reiterate that he has a chin.

 

[QueBert]

Rumble's a beast, he use to damn near kill himself to make 170. 205's where he should have always been fighting. I think he could pose a problem for anyone. Him vs DC would be a great fight. He's maybe 1 solid win away from being #1 contender imho.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Rumble's a beast, he use to damn near kill himself to make 170. 205's where he should have always been fighting. I think he could pose a problem for anyone. Him vs DC would be a great fight. He's maybe 1 solid win away from being #1 contender imho.

You mean killing himself to NOT make 170, even 185 he missed weight, that's why he got cut.

 

[JEDI]

hmmm...is Rumble that much better at 205 or did Davis look past him with all the trash talk he was doing towards Jones?

And I don't think this was one of Jones top 5 fights, let alone is best fight like everyone is saying. Maybe a surprise tactically, but all he did really was just reiterate that he has a chin.

he got hit hard by him?! it looked like he dodged ever big shot Tex threw. of course w/that windup, its not hard to see it coming.

and for best fight- first couple of rounds were good. rest = Jones pwned him.
best would be jones vs Gus. cant think of #2 since he's owned every other opponent.

missed the Rumble/Davis match. link?

 

[LookBehindYou]

great fight by jones. but the refs or ufc really need to do something about jones eye pokes and him sticking his fingers right in front of the face.

sure it's legal but damn it sure is cheap and it's really not something JBJ needs to do

I think the eye poke thing was a little overblown by rogan towards the later rounds. The first couple rounds he got a couple pokes in, but I think the last three he was pretty much just putting his palm on glovers forehead keeping him away. If he had raised his hand a bit in the first couple rounds to make sure the palm was what was making contact it wouldnt have been as big of a deal.

 

[Apex]

I think the eye poke thing was a little overblown by rogan towards the later rounds. The first couple rounds he got a couple pokes in, but I think the last three he was pretty much just putting his palm on glovers forehead keeping him away. If he had raised his hand a bit in the first couple rounds to make sure the palm was what was making contact it wouldnt have been as big of a deal.

Honestly though, that brings up 2 issues:

1. Fairness: Regardless of whether it's on purpose or not, the opponent is immediately placed at a disadvantage. If you've ever been poked in the eye, you know how it affects your depth perception, which is critical in the fight game. Plus, if it happens a couple more times, and the opponent will be more gun shy about closing distance (something he needs to do against a much taller opponent). IMHO, open hand in face should be warning, eye poke should be point deduction. On accident or not, something needs to even the odds for the victim.

2. Jones did like this: eye poke, double eye poke:

double eye poke again:

Warning from Big John about potential loss of point with next eye poke.

Then, for the rest of the fight, he palms the forehead.

If he can control it that easily...

 

[waggy]

Honestly though, that brings up 2 issues:

1. Fairness: Regardless of whether it's on purpose or not, the opponent is immediately placed at a disadvantage. If you've ever been poked in the eye, you know how it affects your depth perception, which is critical in the fight game. Plus, if it happens a couple more times, and the opponent will be more gun shy about closing distance (something he needs to do against a much taller opponent). IMHO, open hand in face should be warning, eye poke should be point deduction. On accident or not, something needs to even the odds for the victim.

2. Jones did like this: eye poke, double eye poke:

double eye poke again:

Warning from Big John about potential loss of point with next eye poke.

Then, for the rest of the fight, he palms the forehead.

If he can control it that easily...

This one tells a lot too...

 

[Apex]

This one tells a lot too...

Cause if done right, no can defend.

 

[Kneedragger]

I was thinking the same. He got a way with too much of it in this fight.

 

[Wingznut]

Refusing to make excuses for Glover Teixeira, famed trainer John Hackleman confirmed what many suspected to be a badly injured shoulder for the Brazilian following his title challenge with Jon Jones at UFC 172.

"I've never seen Glover lose a fight like this," said Hackleman. "I've never seen Glover bleeding. I've never seen Glover hurt so bad. Glover hurt his right shoulder really bad the first round. The first round! That's not an excuse, because Jon Jones hurt his shoulder."

"Jon Jones hurt Glover's shoulder in the tie up on the clinch against the cage, tweaked his shoulder and he hurt it. So Glover couldn't use his right hand very well. You see me in the corner trying to get him to throw that right hand harder. He told me, 'Hey, can you get some ice on it?'"

Jones remarked on the elbow crank during the post-fight press conference.

"That's a move I've been doing since I was a little boy in wrestling," said Jones. "It was something you could never do to your wrestling partners and it's dirty in wrestling. But it's always there when someone has the underhook and you have an overhook and you can just crank their arm.

"I felt his elbow pop two times. Consecutive 'pop pop.' I was just like, 'Aw, nice.'"

Hackleman says Teixeira never mentioned the injury between rounds, but that the injury was fairly apparent.

I saw Bones crank on that arm, and I grimaced because it definitely looked painful. But I thought it was more stressful on the elbow.

 

[manimal]

Cause if done right, no can defend.

exactly. Its against the rules and not being enforced. Doesnt surprise me though. Cant believe it hasnt been adressed. I think he should get a large portion of his PPV cut fined for it. Dana doesnt want to disrupt his marketable champion..


Technique wise the pokes give Jones time to set up his next punch or elbow or disrupts the opposing fighters timing and gets him thinking about his eyes and what he sees vs his opponent.

Fine make it legal and Stefan Strube will become champ because of his long arms..

 

[QueBert]

Even if Dan had taken away a point for the pokes Bones still would have clearly won, hell even 2 points off he still would have won. He won because he beat Glovers ass. The pawing didn't lead to his victory, it was his elbows and unpredictable style of striking. He could have maybe KO'ed Glover if when he was fucking him up in the clinch Glovers mouth piece hadn't flew out.

 

[Apex]

exactly. Its against the rules and not being enforced. Doesnt surprise me though. Cant believe it hasnt been adressed. I think he should get a large portion of his PPV cut fined for it. Dana doesnt want to disrupt his marketable champion..


Technique wise the pokes give Jones time to set up his next punch or elbow or disrupts the opposing fighters timing and gets him thinking about his eyes and what he sees vs his opponent.

Fine make it legal and Stefan Strube will become champ because of his long arms..

I don't think you guys fully appreciate the training that goes into making him the P4P best eye poker around. You think it's easy? It's just raw talent? No way.

On this latest fight with Glover, did anyone notice he started out with a single eye poke? That often happens in the feeling out process. However, he quickly fell back into his training and pumped that double-poke out there.

That second round was even more amazing. Realizing his success with the double-poke, he attempts a beautiful quadruple eye poke (punctuated by an elbow after the 3rd), but Teixeira manages to slip the second one. Here's that crisp smooth combo again from above:

Clearly he has trained hard with regard to his poking accuracy. Take a look back at his fight with Rampage, where he really struggled to ram his fingers in his opponent's eyes and had to resort to swiping them left and right to get them in there:

There was no artistry, no depth of penetration. He was near the genesis of his long road to eye-poke domination.

Let's start from the beginning though, shall we?

With slow-moving Shogun, no problem at all. Look at those beautiful combo pokes! It's like poetry in motion:

With Lyoto, he had a bit more trouble due to the illusive nature of the karate practitioner's eyes. Furthermore, the greater distance Lyoto fought at made it difficult to really get those fingers in there up to the 2nd knuckle. He fell back into the old, safer "pawing" poke technique.

More on this later.

Moving on to Rashad Evans, I believe he had an off day. He really couldn't get those combos down, but did manage to work the thumb a bit. It's the "oblique kick" version, if you will, of the eye poke. Not many can do it well, but those that can, can do amazing damage.

Which brings us to Alexander Gustafsson. Obviously the question on everyone's mind was how was Jones going to poke the eyes of someone with equal reach and height? Ah, the anticipation.

Much like with Lyoto (hinted above), he had trouble. He's had much time to practice the poke, so his technique was there... but would the timing and accuracy be there as well?

Well, not quite. He did manage to find his range and get a few fingers in there, but couldn't quite get loose and confident enough to do any real damage. He's a gamer though, and really got to work plying his craft in the ring. Even so, it only yielded middling success.

What will we see in the figure for the undisputed pound for pound eye poking champion? Only time will tell. I, for one, can't wait to see it.

 

[waggy]

I don't think you guys fully appreciate the training that goes into making him the P4P best eye poker around. You think it's easy? It's just raw talent? No way.

On this latest fight with Glover, did anyone notice he started out with a single eye poke? That often happens in the feeling out process. However, he quickly fell back into his training and pumped that double-poke out there.

That second round was even more amazing. Realizing his success with the double-poke, he attempts a beautiful quadruple eye poke (punctuated by an elbow after the 3rd), but Teixeira manages to slip the second one. Here's that crisp smooth combo again from above:

Clearly he has trained hard with regard to his poking accuracy. Take a look back at his fight with Rampage, where he really struggled to ram his fingers in his opponent's eyes and had to resort to swiping them left and right to get them in there:

There was no artistry, no depth of penetration. He was near the genesis of his long road to eye-poke domination.

Let's start from the beginning though, shall we?

With slow-moving Shogun, no problem at all. Look at those beautiful combo pokes! It's like poetry in motion:

With Lyoto, he had a bit more trouble due to the illusive nature of the karate practitioner's eyes. Furthermore, the greater distance Lyoto fought at made it difficult to really get those fingers in there up to the 2nd knuckle. He fell back into the old, safer "pawing" poke technique.

More on this later.

Moving on to Rashad Evans, I believe he had an off day. He really couldn't get those combos down, but did manage to work the thumb a bit. It's the "oblique kick" version, if you will, of the eye poke. Not many can do it well, but those that can, can do amazing damage.

Which brings us to Alexander Gustafsson. Obviously the question on everyone's mind was how was Jones going to poke the eyes of someone with equal reach and height? Ah, the anticipation.

Much like with Lyoto (hinted above), he had trouble. He's had much time to practice the poke, so his technique was there... but would the timing and accuracy be there as well?

Well, not quite. He did manage to find his range and get a few fingers in there, but couldn't quite get loose and confident enough to do any real damage. He's a gamer though, and really got to work plying his craft in the ring. Even so, it only yielded middling success.

What will we see in the figure for the undisputed pound for pound eye poking champion? Only time will tell. I, for one, can't wait to see it.

ROLF

 

[Wingznut]

I don't think you guys fully appreciate the training that goes into making him the P4P best eye poker around.

Well done, sir!

 

[Apex]

Jones mocks people talking about his eye poking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSLL2HCMSXU

 

[Wingznut]

Yep, Teixeira sustained a significant shoulder injury from that arm crank in the first round.

From MMAFighting.com

Glover Teixeira wants another shot at Jon Jones after he gets a few more wins, but first he needs to undergo surgery to fix a torn labrum in his right shoulder that he sustained in the first round of the fight.

"That shoulder crank in the first round really hurt me," Glover continued. "I regret letting him do that, it was a big mistake. But there’s nothing I can do about it now. After the first round, I had no punching power, and I had to push him with my left arm in the clinch, so I pretty much tired my both shoulders. I have to evolve in a lot of aspects of the fight, there’s not much to say."