UFC 193 tonight on PPV 10PM/7PM ET PT

[JSt0rm]

There is no room for partying at this level. These athletes have to eat sleep shit mma or they will lose. Maybe she should retire because she could possibly salvage her movie career but probably not. All that hinged on her being undefeated.

 

[11thHour]

I said in the ufc thread if there was a time to bet on Rousey's underdog, this would be it. Holm knows how to prepare as a champion and has incredible footwork, and of course her elite striking. However, I ultimately didn't bet, and if I did I may have lost, since I thought the best action was to bet it would last longer than 1.5 rounds.

 

[shabby]

I actually think Rhonda was trying to execute her normal game plan but was just getting shut down at every attempt.

I wonder why...

Holly Holm wiki

Championships and accomplishments
Boxing
Overall
16 Boxing title defenses won at 3 different weight classes
World Boxing Federation
WBF Female World Light Welterweight Championship (One time)[30]
WBF Female World Welterweight Championship (One time)[31]
2012 Female Fighter of the Year[32]
2012 Female Fight of the Year vs. Anne Sophie Mathis on June 15[32]
Women Boxing Archive Network
WBAN World Welterweight Championship (One time)[33]
WBAN World Junior Welterweight Championship (One time)[34]
WBAN World Junior Middleweight Championship (One time; First)[35]
2012 Biggest Comeback of the Year[36]
2011 Fight of the Year vs. Anne Sophie Mathis on December 2[37]
2010 Fighter of the Year[38]
2009 Most Accomplished of the Year[39]
2008 Highest Achievements of the Year[40]
2007 Fighter of the Year[41]
2007 Most Improved Boxer of the Year[41]
2006 Most Improved Boxer of the Year[42]
2005 Hottest Rising Star of the Year[43]
2005 Upset of the Year vs. Christy Martin on September 16[43]
World Boxing Council
WBC Female World Welterweight Championship (One time)[44]
NABF Female Light Welterweight Championship (One time)[45]
Global Boxing Union
GBU World Welterweight Championship (One time)[44]
Women's International Boxing Association
WIBA World Light Welterweight Championship (One time)[46]
WIBA World Welterweight Championship (One time)[44]
International Female Boxers Association
IFBA World Welterweight Championship (One time)[44]
IFBA World Light Middleweight Championship (One time)[47]
2006 Fighter of the Year[48]
World Boxing Association
WBA Female World Welterweight Championship (One time; First)[49]
International Boxing Association
IBA Female World Welterweight Championship (Three times)[33][44]
IBA Female World Light Welterweight Championship (Three times; First)[50][51][52]
AwakeningFighters.com
2012 AOCA / Awakening Outstanding Contribution Award[53]
BadLeftHook.com
2012 Female Comeback Fighter of the Year[54]
The Ring
2006 Female Fighter of the Year[48]
2005 Female Fighter of the Year[55]
New Mexico Boxing
2013 Hall of Fame Inductee[56]
2010 Fighter of the Year[57]
2009 Fighter of the Year[57]
2008 Fighter of the Year[57]
2007 Fighter of the Year[57]
2006 Fighter of the Year[57]
2005 Fighter of the Year[57]
Albuquerque Sports Hall of Fame
2005 Female Athlete of the Year[58]

How could ronda think she could compete against a real boxer?

 

[Majcric]

Exactly. Why is Rhonda standing and trying to trade... Either Rhonda's corner sucks or she is too stubborn to listen.

Anyway, Rhonda will never be the same. This will be another Roy Jones deal.

 

[JEDI]

I said in the ufc thread if there was a time to bet on Rousey's underdog, this would be it. Holm knows how to prepare as a champion and has incredible footwork, and of course her elite striking. However, I ultimately didn't bet, and if I did I may have lost, since I thought the best action was to bet it would last longer than 1.5 rounds.

Rousey was -$1200.
how much was holms?

and the straw weight champ was -$1600!?

 

[JEDI]

I wonder why...

Holly Holm wiki


How could ronda think she could compete against a real boxer?

Exactly. Why is Rhonda standing and trying to trade... Either Rhonda's corner sucks or she is too stubborn to listen.

Anyway, Rhonda will never be the same. This will be another Roy Jones deal.

when I saw Rousey going toe to toe w/Holms, I thought she was just trying to either:
1) set holms up
and/or
2) test her own striking vs a pro boxer

and then switch to Plan A which was to take holms down. aka her bread and butter, and strongest skill.
nope.
as if Rousey was trying to prove to the world that her boxing is as deadly as her submission skills.

or maybe the encounter at the weigh in had something to do w/this.

if u didn't know, Holms was buzzed/drunk at the weigh in and her fists actually touched Rousey's face in the pic op pose. Rousey didn't like that and tried to actually take a real swing at Holms but Dana stepped in.
Rousey was really pissed. I don't think it was an act to hype up the fight

 

[JSt0rm]

ronda tried to clintch and hip toss and arm bar. Not only did it not work when she got inside she was taking punches on the way in. She is just used to crushing cans and should of taken the fight more seriously. Now other fighters have a roadmap on how to beat ronda so dont expect her to be kill you in 20 seconds good in the future.

 

[11thHour]

Rousey was -$1200.
how much was holms?

and the straw weight champ was -$1600!?

The best I saw was +1000 for Rousey, -1400 for Holms. So that was essentially $1 to make $10 to bet Holly Holm. To go past 1.5 rounds, it was roughly -275 +350, which not as much a long shot, but what I thought was a surer bet.

Unbelievable...Holm wasn't better than I thought, but Rousey was more stupid than I thought. I get the whole 'beat them at their game' mentality of a champion to show dominance and take all wind out of the opponents sails, but geez, if it doesn't work early, stick to where you dominate.

Rousey's camp drank too much of the koolaid, and did a poor job preparing her. Maybe Rousey's mom is right, that her coach is just an opportunistic blowhard...paraphrasing, lol.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Those who live by the sword die by the sword.

It's only a matter of time when you fight to finish you eventually get finished.
Anderson Silva
Wanderlei Silva
Rashad Evans
Lyoto Machida
Chuck Liddell
GSP
Mike Tyson

And of course there are many more. All of these guys look unbeatable until their first loss.

Rhonda will come back. The problem is she never faced someone with the physical size, poise, and most importantly the striking technique to keep her off them.

The biggest problem with her and the rematch is how can she make up the 15 years of striking experience Holly has on her? That is a tough nut to crack. And now there is a game plan on how to beat her for other fighters to follow. And there will be cracks in her aura of invincibility, both within herself, and with her opponents.

Funny thing is Tate is a pretty decent striker with a good chin, she might have a better chance against Holm than Rousey. But Tate is so slow I still see Holly winning that one.

Maybe it's just me but I'm thinking Rhonda could actually make the cut to 115? She looked "thick."

Good post.

I think Tate is a better match up though, since she has a duck under takedown game. She has to make Holly move forward, then she can put her on her back and make her count ceiling tiles.

I keep reading people say this is the blue print, but there are very few girls in the division with skills to implement it. Looks good on paper, but having the striking power, timing, and footwork to keep a pressure fighter like Honda off of them, is something most have not shown to date. Trying to duplicate Holly's footwork will turn into running away, not well timed execution. I say that based on a great deal of precedence of course. Having watched all of these girls fight repeatedly.

I made power bold because it is something I see a lack of in most of their striking. Honda just walks through it and gets a clinch. So, I would be surprised if most of them could do anything with her, she is a nightmare match up for most of them. I think Cat could do it, she was silly to be so aggressive last time out.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Rousey's camp drank too much of the koolaid, and did a poor job preparing her. Maybe Rousey's mom is right, that her coach is just an opportunistic blowhard...paraphrasing, lol.

Some of us have been trashing Count Chocula for a long time now. He positively reinforces bad habits in her. She gets away with it because she is an Olympic caliber Athlete.

And if anyone questions what that means, find a gym with a former Olympian from any of the very physical disciplines and train with them. They will make an indelible impression on you. In my experience a good pro boxer or top ranked college football D linemen will leave you with a concrete understanding of the difference between hobby and high level comp athlete as well. Having been personally steamed rolled I promise you, it will make you a believer if you are a working slob like most of us, doing sports for fun, exercise, low level comp.

My apology for the tangent, but all this can crushing talk always leaves me wondering what is wrong with people. Ronda fought a silver medalist in wrestling. And while Sarah is not proving to be a great MMA fighter, calling her a can is the stuff of epic trolldom. :thumbsdown:

 

[Mayne]

She still might have a career in WWE as a diva...can't see her doing that Roadhouse remake now. Who would pay to see some washed up fighter at the theatres?

 

[waggy]

Some of us have been trashing Count Chocula for a long time now. He positively reinforces bad habits in her. She gets away with it because she is an Olympic caliber Athlete.

right. they didn't train her on anything else. they didn't teach he how to avoid a punch at all.

Her game plan is always get in the clinch. take them down. sub them. sometimes she uses punches to get in the clinch.

Knowing they were fighting a top notch boxer they should have trained better for that. they didn't.

hopefully she moves camps.


either way Holmes was great. her striking was great. she didn't panic when it got to the ground.

 

[11thHour]

right. they didn't train her on anything else. they didn't teach he how to avoid a punch at all.

Her game plan is always get in the clinch. take them down. sub them. sometimes she uses punches to get in the clinch.

Knowing they were fighting a top notch boxer they should have trained better for that. they didn't.

hopefully she moves camps.


either way Holmes was great. her striking was great. she didn't panic when it got to the ground.

I think there's no way she'll jump ship now, but a second loss in a row will leave no excuses.

So the UFC loses one of their two cornerstone marketing anchors at bay, and they will lose the ofher one in less than a month when Aldo dominates. If White's expression wasn't priceless this time, it will be on the 12th when he gets suicidal after McGregor's loss.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I think there's no way she'll jump ship now, but a second loss in a row will leave no excuses.

So the UFC loses one of their two cornerstone marketing anchors at bay, and they will lose the ofher one in less than a month when Aldo dominates. If White's expression wasn't priceless this time, it will be on the 12th when he gets suicidal after McGregor's loss.

You are more confident in Aldo than I am. Injuries, age, inactivity, and a rangier fighter than Ken Flo which was not the easiest for Aldo to deal with. Will be surprised if Connor does not win this, given all the factors involved.

 

[JEDI]

I think there's no way she'll jump ship now, but a second loss in a row will leave no excuses.

So the UFC loses one of their two cornerstone marketing anchors at bay, and they will lose the ofher one in less than a month when Aldo dominates. If White's expression wasn't priceless this time, it will be on the 12th when he gets suicidal after McGregor's loss.

um.. I don't see McGregor being a cakewalk for Aldo.
then again, trash talking opponents have huge egos and his overconfidence might be his downfall.

but wait.. even if Aldo wins, Jon Jones can swoop in and save Dana's day when he beats DC to get back his lhw belt.


but yeah, losing Rhonda, mcgreggor AND Jones as champs will suck from a $$$ standpoint for Dana.
none of the other champions in other weight classes are as marketable and draw in the $

 

[Mai72]

Lol, even I could have beat Rhonda last night.

 

[JEDI]

wonder who Holms will fight for her first title defense?
and I wonder who Rousey will fight b4 getting her rematch?

or do you think dana will jump the shark and have a rematch immediately, even tho there was NO DOUBT that holms clearly dominated Rousey?

 

[Majcric]

I think Dana will give Ronda the rematch right away if she wants it.

 

[smackababy]

um.. I don't see McGregor being a cakewalk for Aldo.
then again, trash talking opponents have huge egos and his overconfidence might be his downfall.

but wait.. even if Aldo wins, Jon Jones can swoop in and save Dana's day when he beats DC to get back his lhw belt.


but yeah, losing Rhonda, mcgreggor AND Jones as champs will suck from a $$$ standpoint for Dana.
none of the other champions in other weight classes are as marketable and draw in the $

Jones is coming back and I have little doubts he won't win the belt, and I think McGregor can beat Aldo (though it will be a lot closer than most of his fights prior). And, if McGregor does lose, he will likely go up to 155 and fight there.

Ronda will put in some work and make another title run before she retires. Her gameplay was garbage and it backfired. Nick Diaz even tweeted as such. She ran in aggressively on a superior, taller striker. That is a no no. She won't do that nonsense again.

 

[duragezic]

Derp Holms knocked out Rhonda

 

[JackBurton]

I think Dana will give Ronda the rematch right away if she wants it.

Holly should make her wait and give her all kinds of excuses for not doing a rematch. Kind of like how she made every excuse to not to fight Cyborg.

 

[KLin]

 

[Mayne]

so glorious. New wallpaper now.

 

[waggy]

wonder who Holms will fight for her first title defense?
and I wonder who Rousey will fight b4 getting her rematch?

or do you think dana will jump the shark and have a rematch immediately, even tho there was NO DOUBT that holms clearly dominated Rousey?

of course dana will give her a rematch. though I think its her best interest to not take it and work on how to avoid getting punched and actual attacks other then clinch/judo.

IF she gets a fast rematch then odds are its going to go the same way.


as for mcgragor and aldo. I think aldo wins. BUT it could go either way. should be a good fight too.

 

[11thHour]

If Dana White thought this would be a fight, he wouldn't have sent them down to Melbourne. Instead, I believe he thought he would help grow the sport and let the Australians witness an ass kicking by Rousey, nothing more. His claim he put this fight together because it was a good match was a crock of shit. You can bet the rematch will be in Vegas.