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[duragezic]

Still can't believe Holm did it. Everyone talking now like they knew "Holms" would do that, but I just didn't think she could. I mean she barely beat Raquel Pennington 2 fights ago.

I kind of feel bad for Ronda. She got KTFO. Everyone talking shit that she's a crybaby because she didn't stay for an interview or press conference (or maybe, because she got knocked out and was going to the hospital). I am not the biggest fan of her but like how she brought it into the mainstream.

Need to freaking dump Edmund though. After a terrible first round all he was like was "you are doing great!" LOL

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Still can't believe Holm did it. Everyone talking now like they knew "Holms" would do that, but I just didn't think she could. I mean she barely beat Raquel Pennington 2 fights ago.

I kind of feel bad for Ronda. She got KTFO. Everyone talking shit that she's a crybaby because she didn't stay for an interview or press conference (or maybe, because she got knocked out and was going to the hospital). I am not the biggest fan of her but like how she brought it into the mainstream.

Need to freaking dump Edmund though. After a terrible first round all he was like was "you are doing great!" LOL

Rhonda had a fucked up game plan, Holm is not a better MMA fighter, she just was last night.

 

[waggy]

Rhonda had a fucked up game plan, Holm is not a better MMA fighter, she just was last night.

I disagree. HOlm is a far better MMA fighter. RHonda is just a freakish amazing at judo and subs. she sucks at striking, wrestling, etc.

she found someone last night that is able to not get in a clinch, strike at distance and stay at distance. When it went to the ground Holmes had enough skill to get up and stay out of RRR's strength.

now i'm not saying in a rematch holmes is going to destroy her again. just as being a MMA fighter? holmes is far better.

 

[11thHour]

Still can't believe Holm did it. Everyone talking now like they knew "Holms" would do that, but I just didn't think she could. I mean she barely beat Raquel Pennington 2 fights ago.

I kind of feel bad for Ronda. She got KTFO. Everyone talking shit that she's a crybaby because she didn't stay for an interview or press conference (or maybe, because she got knocked out and was going to the hospital). I am not the biggest fan of her but like how she brought it into the mainstream.

Need to freaking dump Edmund though. After a terrible first round all he was like was "you are doing great!" LOL

Rousey was a complete cocky piece of trash at the weigh in and not touching gloves, while Holm has been all class. What Rousey got seemed well-deserved based on that alone, lol.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I disagree. HOlm is a far better MMA fighter. RHonda is just a freakish amazing at judo and subs. she sucks at striking, wrestling, etc.

she found someone last night that is able to not get in a clinch, strike at distance and stay at distance. When it went to the ground Holmes had enough skill to get up and stay out of RRR's strength.

now i'm not saying in a rematch holmes is going to destroy her again. just as being a MMA fighter? holmes is far better.

I guess I will let how long she hold the title decide.

 

[SKORPI0]

:awe: Ringside announcer said that this is Rouseys' longest fight. Not a endurance fighter for sure.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

:awe: Ringside announcer said that this is Rouseys' longest fight. Not a endurance fighter for sure.

Its not her longest fight, longest recently.

 

[11thHour]

Those who live by the sword die by the sword.

It's only a matter of time when you fight to finish you eventually get finished.
Anderson Silva
Wanderlei Silva
Rashad Evans
Lyoto Machida
Chuck Liddell
GSP
Mike Tyson

And of course there are many more. All of these guys look unbeatable until their first loss.

Rhonda will come back. The problem is she never faced someone with the physical size, poise, and most importantly the striking technique to keep her off them.

The biggest problem with her and the rematch is how can she make up the 15 years of striking experience Holly has on her? That is a tough nut to crack. And now there is a game plan on how to beat her for other fighters to follow. And there will be cracks in her aura of invincibility, both within herself, and with her opponents.

Funny thing is Tate is a pretty decent striker with a good chin, she might have a better chance against Holm than Rousey. But Tate is so slow I still see Holly winning that one.

Maybe it's just me but I'm thinking Rhonda could actually make the cut to 115? She looked "thick."

Anderson Silva and GSP don't deserve to be on that list. They had too many successful title defenses and reigned long enough, imo. That's not 'living by the sword', that's dominating mma and owning their title defenses against a wide variety of contenders for years. Rousey is a far better example of your point, even though this was her failed attmpt to step out of the box.

Rousey doesn't have to change her game as much as improve her footwork and change speeds next time, instead of full-on-attack. She was incredibly predictable, and she finally met someone who could exploit it.

 

[SKORPI0]

Its not her longest fight, longest recently.

You're right..just quoting what the announcer said.. :\

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronda_Rousey#Mixed_martial_arts_record

 

[Majcric]

Any predictions on the rematch? We're to assume this will happen...

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Any predictions on the rematch? We're to assume this will happen...

Rhonda gets revenge.

 

[11thHour]

Any predictions on the rematch? We're to assume this will happen...

Same shit different day.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Rhonda threw the fight so the rematch will bring in way more money. She beats Holm and retires. :hmm:

 

[Hulk]

Anderson Silva and GSP don't deserve to be on that list. They had too many successful title defenses and reigned long enough, imo. That's not 'living by the sword', that's dominating mma and owning their title defenses against a wide variety of contenders for years. Rousey is a far better example of your point, even though this was her failed attmpt to step out of the box.

Rousey doesn't have to change her game as much as improve her footwork and change speeds next time, instead of full-on-attack. She was incredibly predictable, and she finally met someone who could exploit it.

The point of the list (and I could list many more) is not to list dominate fighters as much as to point out that many, many KO artists eventually get KO'd themselves. Doesn't matter how good you are, when you are going for the finish you expose yourself, and eventually you meet your kryptonite. If it wasn't Buster Douglas for Tyson it would have been Evander Holyfield. GSP had a very narrow escape with Henricks if you remember.

Don't know how old you are but I was a huge boxing fan in the '80's and lived through the rise and fall of Mike Tyson. He had the same aura around him as Rousey. It made him confident and his opponents just a little intimidated. Until one day you get over confident (cocky) and fight an opponent that gets past the hype and puts together a great game plan.

But yes I know what you mean about GSP and Matt Serra. That WAS a lucky punch. Tyson/Douglas not so much. Douglas was on fire that night. I remember that fight vividly. On any other night with any other training camp Tyson KO's Douglas in 2. But not that night.

 

[OCNewbie]

GSP was never a KO artist. He's the last fighter you should try to use as an example of someone who always went for the finish.

 

[JEDI]

Still can't believe Holm did it. Everyone talking now like they knew "Holms" would do that, but I just didn't think she could. I mean she barely beat Raquel Pennington 2 fights ago.

Need to freaking dump Edmund though. After a terrible first round all he was like was "you are doing great!" LOL

lol.. no one could have predicted the stupid strategy of standing toe to toe vs a pro boxer when your strength is submission!
everyone figured she would take Holms to the ground, and it would be Holms fighting for survival on her back every round.

and yeah "you're doing great."
wtf? unless Rhonda was delusional, she knew that was a crock of shit. and would affect her fighting ability even further.

 

[z1ggy]

When I saw the video online of Ronda sparring with a pro boxer, who was tagging her up while he was going about 25% made me realize Ronda was likely going to lose, unless she played her cards perfect.

Idk why she tried to out strike a professional boxer, one with a height and reach adv. on her, too. She should have tossed a few punches in her line of sight then shot in for take down after take down. Instead she circled around looking to strike w her and got her ass lit up.

 

[Bird222]

Full fight online anywhere?

 

[waggy]

When I saw the video online of Ronda sparring with a pro boxer, who was tagging her up while he was going about 25% made me realize Ronda was likely going to lose, unless she played her cards perfect.

Idk why she tried to out strike a professional boxer, one with a height and reach adv. on her, too. She should have tossed a few punches in her line of sight then shot in for take down after take down. Instead she circled around looking to strike w her and got her ass lit up.

she didn't try to out strike a boxer. Also she ain't a wrestler she is a judo expert. they don't do "takedowns".

judo work is done in a clinch. this is what she is great at. IF you watch her fights this is where she gets all her opponents down.

her strategy has always been move in for the clinch and use a judo throw to get them down. She did nothing different this fight. Normally it works great. so far nobody (besides holm) has been able to avoid it.

 

[z1ggy]

she didn't try to out strike a boxer. Also she ain't a wrestler she is a judo expert. they don't do "takedowns".

judo work is done in a clinch. this is what she is great at. IF you watch her fights this is where she gets all her opponents down.

her strategy has always been move in for the clinch and use a judo throw to get them down. She did nothing different this fight. Normally it works great. so far nobody (besides holm) has been able to avoid it.

Yeah, but she's not going to move straight in for a clinch, against somebody who's got great boxing skills, that was my point. Just because she's a judo pro doesn't mean she can't wrestle. You don't just walk up to somebody and get double unders, you have to move and strike your way in. Hence, why shooting in for take downs might have worked a bit better.

And she did do things different. The entire 2nd round (up until her knock out) she just circled around, looking for an in for landing strikes. She made no attempt to close the distance rapidly with footwork to get her awesome clinch. She was either very fearful of Holly's hands and kicks, or was just being an arrogant asshole trying to beat her at her own game.

 

[Squeetard]

Rhonda'a last fight was her downfall in this one. She out brawled a brawler(Correra). And now she thought she was an elite striker. Holm's took her to school.

 

[11thHour]

Chael Sonnen said it well when, as a wrestler, he described his take down attack as starting from the outside. But Rousey, as a judo specialist, she needs to get her hands on you first, a big difference.

Rousey had no plan to mix things up to eliminate the space, to get a hold of Holms, and once her remedial methods failed, she was lost.

 

[JSt0rm]

Everyone say Ronda with me. RONDA no H

 

[RPD]

I thought Holm was going to get sub'd like everyone else. I can't believe she DOMINATED Ronda like she did.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

lol.. no one could have predicted the stupid strategy of standing toe to toe vs a pro boxer when your strength is submission!
everyone figured she would take Holms to the ground, and it would be Holms fighting for survival on her back every round.

and yeah "you're doing great."
wtf? unless Ronda was delusional, she knew that was a crock of shit. and would affect her fighting ability even further.

Well if you look at Ronda's record you'll see that she has recently been trying to KO her opponents instead of subbing them. That worked until her fight against holm, because until that point she could simply overwhelm her opponents with sheer aggressiveness. Holm had the right game plan coming in, which was to run away from Rousey and take potshots until Rousey got tired. Then she dropped the hammer.

Say what you will - it was an entertaining fight and a lot better than many title fights recently.