UFC 200: Jon Jones vs DC, Brock?! vs TBD (Sat, July 9th)

[JEDI]

Miesha Tate vs Amanda Nunes is now the UFC 200 Main Event.

http://www.mmamania.com/2016/7/8/12...-nunes-now-ufc-200-main-event-right-thing-mma

hm.. has Holly fought since she lost the belt to miesha?

 

[RPD]

hm.. has Holly fought since she lost the belt to miesha?

No.

And while Silva has a very little chance of winning (95% chance of him getting rag dolled worse than Dan did), if the belt was up for grabs it had huge potential for a shit show haha. He wins the belt at 205, just some much drama.

I was kinda hoping they'd do a HW match with like Overeem.

 

[Childs]

Ugh, I can't believe Silva is taking another fight. He is going to get destroyed. He already is known for being in shit shape out of competition cycle. 3 days notice? DC should have passed this one up. This is all fucking bad for him. If he loses, he's done. Forever. I guess that pay day outweighs the downside?

I dont know if there is that much downside if Cormier loses to Silva. I expect DC to chase then slam for 3 rounds, but I dont think that anyone would be that surprised if Silva wins. It is Anderson Silva. When he decides to engage and not clown around he's still deadly. And if Anderson is competitive or wins this resets his career. There is also the builtin excuses for both fighters if either lose because of the situation. And theres no shame for whoever loses because of who they are facing.

It seems more like win win than lose lose, unless DC gets knocked out cold earlier. Thats why I think they should have put the title on the line. DC cant walk around with the belt after losing in a situation like that. And if Anderson beats DC like that he kinda deserves the title, since DC beat Rumble and Gus to get it.

 

[smackababy]

I dont know if there is that much downside if Cormier loses to Silva. I expect DC to chase then slam for 3 rounds, but I dont think that anyone would be that surprised if Silva wins. It is Anderson Silva. When he decides to engage and not clown around he's still deadly. And if Anderson is competitive or wins this resets his career. There is also the builtin excuses for both fighters if either lose because of the situation. And theres no shame for whoever loses because of who they are facing.

It seems more like win win than lose lose, unless DC gets knocked out cold earlier. Thats why I think they should have put the title on the line. DC cant walk around with the belt after losing in a situation like that. And if Anderson beats DC like that he kinda deserves the title, since DC beat Rumble and Gus to get it.

Silva hasn't looked good since he broke his leg. This is bad for DC if he loses. He is fighting a guy on 3 days notice that fights at a lower weight class than him. We love to pretend Silva is still Silva, but he isn't. If DC loses, even by decision, he won't live it down. It's likely he'll retire. Jones probably won't be back for 2 years if the test is positive. Luckily for DC, this is going to be a big payday. Sure, it may drop some, but that Brock money is Christmas in July.

I do agree they may as well have put the belt on the line. Though, for different reasons. =)

 

[JEDI]

No.

And while Silva has a very little chance of winning (95% chance of him getting rag dolled worse than Dan did), if the belt was up for grabs it had huge potential for a shit show haha. He wins the belt at 205, just some much drama.

I was kinda hoping they'd do a HW match with like Overeem.

Then Dana should have made this a catch weight fight at 210lbs to eliminate the confusion of why isn't dc defending his belt since it's a 205lbs fight

 

[Childs]

Silva hasn't looked good since he broke his leg. This is bad for DC if he loses. He is fighting a guy on 3 days notice that fights at a lower weight class than him. We love to pretend Silva is still Silva, but he isn't. If DC loses, even by decision, he won't live it down. It's likely he'll retire. Jones probably won't be back for 2 years if the test is positive. Luckily for DC, this is going to be a big payday. Sure, it may drop some, but that Brock money is Christmas in July.

I do agree they may as well have put the belt on the line. Though, for different reasons. =)

He's looked really good in spurts in the Bisping fight, and it was a fight he should have won. If he can still do the above he has a reasonable chance. Although I think if he tries it DC will catch him and drop him on his head.

Still if the options are to do the fight or not do it, I'd rather see it. These guys paths will probably never cross again.

 

[norseamd]

Silva hasn't looked good since he broke his leg. This is bad for DC if he loses. He is fighting a guy on 3 days notice that fights at a lower weight class than him. We love to pretend Silva is still Silva, but he isn't. If DC loses, even by decision, he won't live it down. It's likely he'll retire. Jones probably won't be back for 2 years if the test is positive. Luckily for DC, this is going to be a big payday. Sure, it may drop some, but that Brock money is Christmas in July.

I do agree they may as well have put the belt on the line. Though, for different reasons. =)

This.

The reason why I am looking forward to this fight is because it provides a similar style of opponent as Jon Jones to DC, but also more refined and somewhat different, so while DC is basically guaranteed to win, there is a lot he can learn from fighting Anderson Silva, and all of that will carry over to if he ever does eventually get to fight Jon Jones again.

 

[Miramonti]

I don't know how anyone can look like themselves, even a more recent sucky version, not having a camp and coming off surgery, while at the same time fighting one of the most badass guys in the ufc. Giving this to Silva is all about capitalizing on the gate, and not because it makes sense by any stretch. I hope for Silva's family he has a good life insurance policy, as it will compliment nicely his income for showing up.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Hendricks missed weight, 20% of his purse to Kevin. Misha barely made the weight.

 

[RPD]

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd b sample failed as well.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

 

[manly]

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd b sample failed as well.

< sarcasm>
But WADA/USADA are jerks. They could've waited until after UFC 200 to announce the A sample failure.
< / sarcasm>

Dana White is flip-floppy. He says he won't pick up the phone if JBJ calls him, but then says he believes Jones is not as responsible for the PED ingestion as Jones' team is.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/8...-on-talking-to-jon-jones-believes-star-should

 

[Miramonti]

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd b sample failed as well.

Positive for two banned agents, that's messed up. Did anyone ever explain what the USADA is? :\ (or who Jeff Novitsky is? I'm sure Lance could have gotten him up to speed pretty quickly.)

 

[smackababy]

< sarcasm>
But WADA/USADA are jerks. They could've waited until after UFC 200 to announce the A sample failure.
< / sarcasm>

Dana White is flip-floppy. He says he won't pick up the phone if JBJ calls him, but then says he believes Jones is not as responsible for the PED ingestion as Jones' team is.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/7/8...-on-talking-to-jon-jones-believes-star-should

If you think WADA actually has an integrity, you don't follow world sports. USADA, is far more credible.

Have they announced what the banned substances were?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

If you think WADA actually has an integrity, you don't follow world sports. USADA, is far more credible.

Have they announced what the banned substances were?

I read something about they wont say the substance, its up to Jones and his camp.

 

[smackababy]

I read something about they wont say the substance, its up to Jones and his camp.

Hmm. I wonder if it's something silly like a fat burner or something more sinister.

 

[manly]

If you think WADA actually has an integrity, you don't follow world sports. USADA, is far more credible.

Have they announced what the banned substances were?

wanna tell us your beef with WADA? Google isn't giving me anything.

I remember Dick Pound being considered a bit of an asshole in his day, but he's gone and WADA continues to be the testing authority for international sports.

Hmm. I wonder if it's something silly like a fat burner or something more sinister.

LOL how many times are you going back to the same well, that a WADA testing lab is possibly screwing JBJ?

So I guess I'll take WADA's integrity over yours, barring any compelling evidence otherwise.

 

[JEDI]

Hmm. I wonder if it's something silly like a fat burner or something more sinister.

plastic in his bloodstream?
ie: iv to rehydrate himself after cutting weight?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

plastic in his bloodstream?
ie: iv to rehydrate himself after cutting weight?

Cutting weight? The test was in June, out of competition testing.

 

[smackababy]

wanna tell us your beef with WADA? Google isn't giving me anything.

I remember Dick Pound being considered a bit of an asshole in his day, but he's gone and WADA continues to be the testing authority for international sports.

Numerous athletes have come out and claimed how internatioal drug testing is an absolute joke. Not to mention prior officials of testing organizations accusing WADA of intentionally turning a blind eye to clear institutions allowing tampering with samples.

LOL how many times are you going back to the same well, that a WADA testing lab is possibly screwing JBJ?

Nobody said a WADA lab screwed JBJ. He tested positive on both samples. He is at fault.

So I guess I'll take WADA's integrity over yours, barring any compelling evidence otherwise.

Heard of the 2016 Olympics and the Russian. Go ahead and take their integrity. Enjoy people continuously breaking records and teams winning that shouldn't and be happy. It's okay.

 

[smackababy]

Cutting weight? The test was in June, out of competition testing.

Wasn't June 16th considered an in competition test?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Wasn't June 16th considered an in competition test?

The media has said it was out of competition, so, that's all I know. Maybe they took the blood before that and actually did the test on the 16th, not really sure how all of that works.

 

[smackababy]

The media has said it was out of competition, so, that's all I know. Maybe they took the blood before that and actually did the test on the 16th, not really sure how all of that works.

I believe it's like 30 days before that is "in competition". His manager stated he was tested 8 times during the camp and the one that was positive was the one from the 16th. I could be wrong though. I assumed they collected the test on the 16th and, as per their contract with the UFC, reported the results right when they happened.

Also, there is video of Dana telling DC and he wanted to sign waver or something to have the fight anyway.

 

[JEDI]

The media has said it was out of competition, so, that's all I know. Maybe they took the blood before that and actually did the test on the 16th, not really sure how all of that works.

how much less of a penalty would an out of competition drug test failure be compared to an in competition test failure?

and if sample B passed, would that mean JBJ could fight tomorrow?

 

[smackababy]

how much less of a penalty would an out of competition drug test failure be compared to an in competition test failure?

and if sample B passed, would that mean JBJ could fight tomorrow?

It is the same penalty for PEDs. The only difference is recreational drugs, as far as I know. That was why Jones' cocaine positive wasn't a big deal, as it was out of competition. Same as why Diaz got a ban for weed (well, that and mostly because he was a dick to the committee that banned him in the trial).

I doubt Jones would have fought had the B sample passed. He wouldn't have been suspended or in trouble, but as it stands, unless someone can be thrown under the bus for slipping him something without his knowledge, he is getting a lengthy suspension.