UFC 200: Jon Jones vs DC, Brock?! vs TBD (Sat, July 9th)

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Jones could end up back some day, since his age will help. I wonder if he will go fight out of the US, I guess that's possible.
 

smackababy

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Jones will offer another crying apology like he did and probably only be out a year and some change. UFC will let him fight once he's back, because he brings in the money. Silva popped for PEDs and was suspended and came back and is now fighting in UFC 200.
 

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Jones will offer another crying apology like he did and probably only be out a year and some change. UFC will let him fight once he's back, because he brings in the money. Silva popped for PEDs and was suspended and came back and is now fighting in UFC 200.

I thought about him when I posted my last statement. He got a year, Jones may get more, we shall see.
 

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I thought about him when I posted my last statement. He got a year, Jones may get more, we shall see.

I don't see Jones getting 2 years. None of his problems have been for PEDs and he may be able to play to that. Plead he got his life together and this was unintentionally and ask for mercy.
 

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I don't see Jones getting 2 years. None of his problems have been for PEDs and he may be able to play to that. Plead he got his life together and this was unintentionally and ask for mercy.

Worse than PED's IMHO, it was cocaine.
 

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Worse than PED's IMHO, it was cocaine.

But, it wasn't something "against the rules" at that time. And, he "served his time" in suspension for that stuff. While it would be a factor, he hasn't really had any issues since then and can plead he's on the straight and narrow.
 

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But, it wasn't something "against the rules" at that time. And, he "served his time" in suspension for that stuff. While it would be a factor, he hasn't really had any issues since then and can plead he's on the straight and narrow.

Fuck him, he has had enough chances, but of course money will be the factor.
 

manly

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Numerous athletes have come out and claimed how internatioal drug testing is an absolute joke. Not to mention prior officials of testing organizations accusing WADA of intentionally turning a blind eye to clear institutions allowing tampering with samples.
Well if that's your argument, then I'll continue to believe they have more credibility than you do w.r.t. to drug testing in sports. Their job is to catch athletes who cheat, and because they can't catch them all, they have low integrity? They aren't an international police organization, they set standards and have to work with national drug testing programs.

Nobody said a WADA lab screwed JBJ. He tested positive on both samples. He is at fault.
Right from the jump, you were complaining that WADA sandbagged the A test results until just before UFC 200. And openly asked what happens when the B sample comes back clean. Yes, there's a presumption of innocence in U.S. jurisprudence but by and large, athletes don't get the benefit of the doubt when they test positive for PEDs. The ones who lie through their teeth before and after testing positive greatly outnumber the ones who may have unintentionally consumed something. Even now, you're wondering if he took something that really isn't performance-enhancing. Hey, none of us knows, Jones has to tell us what he tested positive for.

Clearly you have an intense bias against WADA, or perhaps in favor of JBJ or the DC-JBJ bout. I actually feel that Jones is a major favorite against Cormier without PEDs, so he's an absolute idiot for being caught. Intentional (more likely) or otherwise.

Heard of the 2016 Olympics and the Russian. Go ahead and take their integrity. Enjoy people continuously breaking records and teams winning that shouldn't and be happy. It's okay.
Guess what, the police can't catch every single criminal out there. Are you suggesting international sports are better off without WADA? Should the UFC revert to the wild West of a few years ago where there was basically no credible drug testing?

Didn't WADA help catch the Russian track & field cheaters, and Russian T&F are banned from competing in Rio?

I don't see Jones getting 2 years. None of his problems have been for PEDs and he may be able to play to that. Plead he got his life together and this was unintentionally and ask for mercy.
He just failed a drug test by testing positive for two PEDs. If Dana White has any credibility at all, he simply has to impose the mandatory 2 year ban that comes with agreeing to USADA/WADA rules. This is after JBJ exhausts any appeals.

This isn't really a case where White decides by fiat that Jones didn't mean to fail a test, so he gets leniency.

He's also had other legal issues since testing positive for cocaine. So you have a pretty funny definition of Jones being able to plead to anyone that he has his life in order now.

Finally, Jones is just 28. Unless he stupidly burns bridges with Dana White, he'll be back in the UFC someday.
 

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Fucking lame ass baseball game running over and in extra innings. Watching it with Kodi for now, not in HD. :'(
 

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Right from the jump, you were complaining that WADA sandbagged the A test results until just before UFC 200. And openly asked what happens when the B sample comes back clean. Yes, there's a presumption of innocence in U.S. jurisprudence but by and large, athletes don't get the benefit of the doubt when they test positive for PEDs. The ones who lie through their teeth before and after testing positive greatly outnumber the ones who may have unintentionally consumed something. Even now, you're wondering if he took something that really isn't performance-enhancing. Hey, none of us knows, Jones has to tell us what he tested positive for.
From the jump I criticised whoever released the results when they did, which is kind of BS. A sample collected June 16th should have been tested long before that. I merely made the remark that IF Jones' B sample was negative, it would be royal way to fuck Jones from fighting. That didn't happen, though. He took something willingly or unwillingly.

Clearly you have an intense bias against WADA, or perhaps in favor of JBJ or the DC-JBJ bout. I actually feel that Jones is a major favorite against Cormier without PEDs, so he's an absolute idiot for being caught. Intentional (more likely) or otherwise.
Not bias for anything other than good matches. I also think Jones taking something is completely moronic.


Guess what, the police can't catch every single criminal out there. Are you suggesting international sports are better off without WADA? Should the UFC revert to the wild West of a few years ago where there was basically no credible drug testing?

Didn't WADA help catch the Russian track & field cheaters, and Russian T&F are banned from competing in Rio?
No, WADA only even bothered to do anything because a whistle blower had such a vast amount of evidence that would have been (and was anyway) in the media. WADA has, for a long time, done nothing to actually enforce any standards in international competition. If WADA was doing their job, the entire Russian federation wouldn't have such ridiculous cheating measures in place that allowed their team to cheap for years, possible decades. Plenty of athletes have quit due to there simply being really no checks and clean athletes suffering.


He just failed a drug test by testing positive for two PEDs. If Dana White has any credibility at all, he simply has to impose the mandatory 2 year ban that comes with agreeing to USADA/WADA rules. This is after JBJ exhausts any appeals.

This isn't really a case where White decides by fiat that Jones didn't mean to fail a test, so he gets leniency.

He's also had other legal issues since testing positive for cocaine. So you have a pretty funny definition of Jones being able to plead to anyone that he has his life in order now.

Finally, Jones is just 28. Unless he stupidly burns bridges with Dana White, he'll be back in the UFC someday.
Since Jones' suspension, he's kept his nose clean (both literally and figuratively). He fought OSP and had been doing well. This should have been his comeback. It appeared he got the message and got his shit together. Well, I guess not.

Jones will be back. I still don't think a two year PED suspension (which UFC doesn't impose, IIRC, but like the athletic commission) can be swayed and won't ban a "first" offender for 2 years. I think he'll be out a year and some change and be back to fight.
 
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Oh how the mighty are falling...Johny Hendricks loses to Gastellum, 4 losses out of his last 6, now 17-5 (not that any of his losses are to slouches.)
Dude has fallen off a cliff. Gastellum did not look like anything special. Looked like a slightly above average fighter. Definitely not what I would consider to be on Hendricks level. Or what I remember Hendricks being.
 

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Edgar is one tough SOB. Aldo still has all the tools, but not the reckless abandon of 8 years ago.
 

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Lifer
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I really cant stand stupid statistics, I don't give a flying fuck that Edgar is the first fighter to log 6 hours in the Octagon.
 

UncleWai

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Fat ass cormier needs to get his head knocked out. 15min of laying his belly onto the opponent. Man the fuck up.
 
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