UFC 91

[QueBert]

I don't agree RagingBITCH, for one reason. We've never seen how Brock takes a punch, in his 3 previous fights he really wasn't hit at all. And we didn't get to see much of his standup as he took both Mir & Heath down with a single shot each. Randy doesn't have sick KO power but he does have nice stand up and hits pretty hard. Brock might have a glass jaw, if his chin's good though the only way I see him loosing is by decision.

Randy is 16-8 he never was the greatest fighter, he's just always been solid and really good for his age. I'm not a Lesnar fanboy, but when I watch him move I can't help but get excited at the prospect of what he might become.

Lesnar with a good chin + decent BJJ would make him unstoppable. He's quicker than dudes way smaller than him and his cardio is sick. I mean the guy runs 3 miles with a 175lb log on his shoulder. I would have a tough time walking with that log lol.

You know what, I take that back I am somewhat of a Brock fanboy, he's fun to watch. His Hammer Fists to the MIR were sick as hell lol.

 

[JackBurton]

I predict Brock wins by "breaking Couture in half."

 

[EvilYoda]

I'm wondering who Cheick Kongo's been training with - the guy's huge and very athletically gifted. He was strong on his feet but had absolutely no ground skills. Size-wise, a matchup between Kongo and Lesnar would have two of the biggest and fittest UFC fighters ever

 

[Lounatik]

Randy's early losses were to guys about 30-40 lbs heavier than him: Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez had their way with him on the ground. He is strong obviously, but Lesnar is so much stronger than probably anyone else out there. Randy is supposed to be training with guys about Lesnars size, but come game time, he will see a whole other level of speed and agility. Having said that, I still think he will win. Never count him out. Shit, against Gonzaga, who just about killed Crocop, he beat the ever living shit out of him and then he took Timmeh to 5 rounds and was actually taking him down at will even in the 5th round.

Again, Lesnar is a totally different animal ( all pun intended) and he is so damn big and fast! But Randy has the cage experience that Lesanr lacks and maybe he could avoid the takedowns ( highly unlikely) If Lesnar takes him down and just lays and prays, he could be in trouble because this will be a 5 round fight and I know he is in ungodly shape, but I don't know if he is in the kind of shape to go 5 rounds at full tilt. This could be where Randy could work his way in.

As for the the undercard, it is totally crap and I will not order it. It's blatantly obvious that this is for the casual fanbase. The next card,UFC 92 has two title fights and probably the best card they have ever put on: Mir v. Nogueira, Forrest Griffin v. Rashad Evans, Wanderlei v. Rampage as well as Okami v. Lister. Totally stacked to the rafters. I will definitely be ordering this one.


Peace

Lounatik

 

[Lounatik]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I'm wondering who Cheick Kongo's been training with - the guy's huge and very athletically gifted. He was strong on his feet but had absolutely no ground skills. Size-wise, a matchup between Kongo and Lesnar would have two of the biggest and fittest UFC fighters ever

Lesnar bull rushes him and takes him down. Kongo dies for lack of doing anything on the ground via suffocation. End of fight. Kongo is shit.


Peace


Lounatik

 

[torpid]

I'm really confused by the heavyweight title. The winner of this bout has a mandatory against Nog, or just against whoever wins Nog vs Mir? If Mir defeats Nog will he be the interim champ? I guess that depends on timing.

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: Lounatik

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I'm wondering who Cheick Kongo's been training with - the guy's huge and very athletically gifted. He was strong on his feet but had absolutely no ground skills. Size-wise, a matchup between Kongo and Lesnar would have two of the biggest and fittest UFC fighters ever

Lesnar bull rushes him and takes him down. Kongo dies for lack of doing anything on the ground via suffocation. End of fight. Kongo is shit.


Peace


Lounatik

Uhhh...okay. I just said that Kongo had no ground skills, so wtf. People can learn, you realize.

 

[Lounatik]

Originally posted by: QueBert
I don't agree RagingBITCH, for one reason. We've never seen how Brock takes a punch, in his 3 previous fights he really wasn't hit at all. And we didn't get to see much of his standup as he took both Mir & Heath down with a single shot each. Randy doesn't have sick KO power but he does have nice stand up and hits pretty hard. Brock might have a glass jaw, if his chin's good though the only way I see him loosing is by decision.

Randy is 16-8 he never was the greatest fighter, he's just always been solid and really good for his age. I'm not a Lesnar fanboy, but when I watch him move I can't help but get excited at the prospect of what he might become.

Lesnar with a good chin + decent BJJ would make him unstoppable. He's quicker than dudes way smaller than him and his cardio is sick. I mean the guy runs 3 miles with a 175lb log on his shoulder. I would have a tough time walking with that log lol.

You know what, I take that back I am somewhat of a Brock fanboy, he's fun to watch. His Hammer Fists to the MIR were sick as hell lol.

Yeah, I get excited about his future too. The guy could literally storm through everybody he faces or he could get subbed by the next three guys he would face ( Hypothetically, Nogueira, Mir again and maybe......Fedor????) This is what makes MMA so fun to watch. Losses are not the black eye they are in boxing. Like you said, Randy is 16-8, which would be barely marginal in boxing, but he puts on tremendous fights and even if he lost all three of his next fights, he would still get the PPV buys.



Peace

Lounatik

 

[Lounatik]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda

Originally posted by: Lounatik

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I'm wondering who Cheick Kongo's been training with - the guy's huge and very athletically gifted. He was strong on his feet but had absolutely no ground skills. Size-wise, a matchup between Kongo and Lesnar would have two of the biggest and fittest UFC fighters ever

Lesnar bull rushes him and takes him down. Kongo dies for lack of doing anything on the ground via suffocation. End of fight. Kongo is shit.


Peace


Lounatik

Uhhh...okay. I just said that Kongo had no ground skills, so wtf. People can learn, you realize.

I know, its just that he is terrible to watch sometimes.


Peace

Lounatik

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Lounatik
Like you said, Randy is 16-8, which would be barely marginal in boxing, but he puts on tremendous fights and even if he lost all three of his next fights, he would still get the PPV buys.

Records aren't meaningful in the UFC, and arguably in boxing as well. Anderson Silva has 4 losses but is more dominant in his weight class than almost any boxer.

 

[TheNinja]

Randy will likely weight around 230 for the fight.
Brock will cut to make 265 and be back to roughly 275+ for the fight.

45 pounds is a LOT of weight, plus ~10 years of quickness. I flip flop back and forth on this one and could honestly see it going either way. Give Brock another year and Randy another year older and Randy stands very little chance, but at this point Randy could catch Lesnar.
The thing that people have already stated is that clinch work and dirty boxing is Randy's strength....however Brock is huge and it will be very hard for Randy to hold Brock in the clinch and keep him there.
Also, Randy is NOT catching Lesnar in a sub from his back, so let's forget about that. The only sub he could possibly get would be a rear naked choke if he's able to stun Lesnar.
If I HAD to bet on someone, I'd probably bet on Lesnar simply b/c he is a freak of nature and Randy is 45 years old and hasn't fought in over a year.....however there is no way I'm putting money on this fight, I'm just looking forward to watching it.

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Randy will likely weight around 230 for the fight.
Brock will cut to make 265 and be back to roughly 275+ for the fight.

45 pounds is a LOT of weight, plus ~10 years of quickness. I flip flop back and forth on this one and could honestly see it going either way. Give Brock another year and Randy another year older and Randy stands very little chance, but at this point Randy could catch Lesnar.
The thing that people have already stated is that clinch work and dirty boxing is Randy's strength....however Brock is huge and it will be very hard for Randy to hold Brock in the clinch and keep him there.
Also, Randy is NOT catching Lesnar in a sub from his back, so let's forget about that. The only sub he could possibly get would be a rear naked choke if he's able to stun Lesnar.
If I HAD to bet on someone, I'd probably bet on Lesnar simply b/c he is a freak of nature and Randy is 45 years old and hasn't fought in over a year.....however there is no way I'm putting money on this fight, I'm just looking forward to watching it.

Dana was interviewed for ESPN and said that Brock walks around at close to 300lb when he's not near a fight...wtf. Can that be right? That's a HUGE swing even if you have months to plan and gradually cut.

 

[911paramedic]

Lesner is a steroid freak. I hope that they check for that and eliminate those fighters some day. The guy is a bloated mass of muscle, but Randy should win from pure experience anyways.

 

[QueBert]

how could Randy RNC Brock? Brock doesn't even have a neck lol. If Randy can RNC him that would be awesome.

 

[jersiq]

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm really confused by the heavyweight title. The winner of this bout has a mandatory against Nog, or just against whoever wins Nog vs Mir? If Mir defeats Nog will he be the interim champ? I guess that depends on timing.

The second one. Nog is the interim. The winner of Mir vs. Nog against the winner of Lesnar/Couture.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm really confused by the heavyweight title. The winner of this bout has a mandatory against Nog, or just against whoever wins Nog vs Mir? If Mir defeats Nog will he be the interim champ? I guess that depends on timing.

Randy was/is the "champ" at the moment. Nog is the "interim" champ b/c Randy tried to leave the UFC so Nog beat Timmy for the "interim" belt. They didn't strip Randy of his belt b/c it gave them more leverage in court to keep him under contact as the "champ".

Anyway, Dana has said that this is some type of tournament. Winner of Brock/Randy vs winner of Nog/Mir --- Winner of that is the true HW champ with really no other competition now that Werdum left.

 

[randay]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: randay
couture will expose lesnars stand up, dominate all 5 rounds and win. lesnar may gas out early and the fight could be stopped by tko. this is a very exciting fight but honestly, lesnar is too noob and randy is too smart.

ROFL. Lesnar gas out? You do realize he's a collegiate NCAA championship wrestler w/ a cardio program probably only rivaled by Sean Sherk's, right? Randy has more of a chance of gassing than Brock does. (And even though he's old, Randy has a very good cardio program)

Randy's gameplan this fight - keep it standing like you said. No one really knows how good Lesnar's standup is, or how his chin will take a punch. If Lesnar gets Randy to the ground, Randy is going to lose. Even though Randy is a Greco Roman wrestler, Brock should easily get him to the ground at will. You can say "well Randy has fought Tim Sylvia, blah blah", but none of them have Brock's insane strength and explosive quickness. He moves like a guy that weighs 100lbs less.

I hate to sound like a Brock fanboi, but the only way Brock is going to lose this fight is if Brock wants to lose, IE, keep it standing or just do something stupid like he did with Mir.

hes 300 pounds and chock full o muscle. until i see it with my own eyes, im gonna guess that he can and will gas if the fight goes into the later rounds. if he can truly go full blast for 5 rounds, well then im changing my prediction.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: EvilYoda

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Randy will likely weight around 230 for the fight.
Brock will cut to make 265 and be back to roughly 275+ for the fight.

45 pounds is a LOT of weight, plus ~10 years of quickness. I flip flop back and forth on this one and could honestly see it going either way. Give Brock another year and Randy another year older and Randy stands very little chance, but at this point Randy could catch Lesnar.
The thing that people have already stated is that clinch work and dirty boxing is Randy's strength....however Brock is huge and it will be very hard for Randy to hold Brock in the clinch and keep him there.
Also, Randy is NOT catching Lesnar in a sub from his back, so let's forget about that. The only sub he could possibly get would be a rear naked choke if he's able to stun Lesnar.
If I HAD to bet on someone, I'd probably bet on Lesnar simply b/c he is a freak of nature and Randy is 45 years old and hasn't fought in over a year.....however there is no way I'm putting money on this fight, I'm just looking forward to watching it.

Dana was interviewed for ESPN and said that Brock walks around at close to 300lb when he's not near a fight...wtf. Can that be right? That's a HUGE swing even if you have months to plan and gradually cut.

According to some UFC all access show, Brock was saying how he lost like 10lbs of water during an intense multi-hour workout.

Also, he's never be nailed for steroids or anyting illegal, including in the NCAA where he was already like 285 in college. I personally think he was on them while in the WWE as he was actually bigger and looked more ripped, but I don't think he takes them now. He has way to much to lose to be caught on roids.

I think he said last fight he came in around 280. Herring was about 250 and Lesnar made him look like a little child.

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: TheNinja

Originally posted by: EvilYoda

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Randy will likely weight around 230 for the fight.
Brock will cut to make 265 and be back to roughly 275+ for the fight.

45 pounds is a LOT of weight, plus ~10 years of quickness. I flip flop back and forth on this one and could honestly see it going either way. Give Brock another year and Randy another year older and Randy stands very little chance, but at this point Randy could catch Lesnar.
The thing that people have already stated is that clinch work and dirty boxing is Randy's strength....however Brock is huge and it will be very hard for Randy to hold Brock in the clinch and keep him there.
Also, Randy is NOT catching Lesnar in a sub from his back, so let's forget about that. The only sub he could possibly get would be a rear naked choke if he's able to stun Lesnar.
If I HAD to bet on someone, I'd probably bet on Lesnar simply b/c he is a freak of nature and Randy is 45 years old and hasn't fought in over a year.....however there is no way I'm putting money on this fight, I'm just looking forward to watching it.

Dana was interviewed for ESPN and said that Brock walks around at close to 300lb when he's not near a fight...wtf. Can that be right? That's a HUGE swing even if you have months to plan and gradually cut.

According to some UFC all access show, Brock was saying how he lost like 10lbs of water during an intense multi-hour workout.

Also, he's never be nailed for steroids or anyting illegal, including in the NCAA where he was already like 285 in college. I personally think he was on them while in the WWE as he was actually bigger and looked more ripped, but I don't think he takes them now. He has way to much to lose to be caught on roids.

I think he said last fight he came in around 280. Herring was about 250 and Lesnar made him look like a little child.

I too think that he, like some/most of the WWE, dabbled in steroids for a while, but Dana made it a point (the interviewer asked about the occurrence where Lesnar was asked about steroid use and just got up and left) to point out that the UFC is tested and regulated by the same governing body as professional boxing.

Here's the video, couldn't find it on ESPN

edit: I realize that I just said "he made it a point to point out", but I'm leaving work now, so blah

 

[meltdown75]

bump for poll addage

i picked Couture... as overpowering and big as Lesnar is, i think the savvy veteran will catch him late in the 1st or early in the 2nd for a KO.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: bapace

Originally posted by: BillGates

Originally posted by: bapace
Yes, Couture is the heavyweight Champ. If Lesnar wins his FOURTH EVER UFC fight, he will be the new Champ.....That said, I believe Couture will win by submission

You haven't seen many Couture fights, have you? Submissions are only responsible for 2 of his 16 victories - he is not a submission fighter.

It is more of a statement to Brock's inexperience than anything. I think he will get caught by a submission. Randy knows enough to submit a significantly less experienced fighter.

Randy is a Wrestler not a submission fighter. Mir is a BJJ black belt and SICK with the submissions. That was Brocks 2nd fight and Mir still had a hard time submitting him. Since then Brock has been training BJJ and I'd gather has even better sub defense than he did against Mir. Randy might win, but it won't be by submission if he does

as for Brocks hands, UFC had to make special sized XXXXL gloves just for him, that's pretty crazy lol.

The company that supplies the gloves has stated that this is not true. Posted on sherdog , just what I heard.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm really confused by the heavyweight title. The winner of this bout has a mandatory against Nog, or just against whoever wins Nog vs Mir? If Mir defeats Nog will he be the interim champ? I guess that depends on timing.

It is a tournament to determine the belt holder. randy left with the belt and nog beat silvia for the interim.

so brock vs randy winner faces
winner of nog vs mir.

see its simple.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm really confused by the heavyweight title. The winner of this bout has a mandatory against Nog, or just against whoever wins Nog vs Mir? If Mir defeats Nog will he be the interim champ? I guess that depends on timing.

It is a tournament to determine the belt holder. randy left with the belt and nog beat silvia for the interim.

so brock vs randy winner faces
winner of nog vs mir.

see its simple.

Thanks. What if the winner of randy vs brock gets injured? Would winner of nog vs mir be heavyweight champ then? It would seem not if we go by the titles they are assigning to UFC 92.

 

[EvilYoda]

This is all just building to a gigantic UFC 100 - 6 hours and every title belt will be up for grabs.

AND, they'll do it Pride Grand Prix style

 

[imported_apocalypse]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: torpid
I'm really confused by the heavyweight title. The winner of this bout has a mandatory against Nog, or just against whoever wins Nog vs Mir? If Mir defeats Nog will he be the interim champ? I guess that depends on timing.

It is a tournament to determine the belt holder. randy left with the belt and nog beat silvia for the interim.

so brock vs randy winner faces
winner of nog vs mir.

see its simple.

Thanks. What if the winner of randy vs brock gets injured? Would winner of nog vs mir be heavyweight champ then? It would seem not if we go by the titles they are assigning to UFC 92.

If they get injured, when the winner of brock vs randy recovers there will be a unification fight to determine the undisputed heavyweight champion. If that winner is unable to defend his belt within a certain period of time (1 year I believe), then the interm champion will become the heavyweight champion.