UFC 91

[SAWYER]

lol @ bitter tears

 

[OCfreakley]

Lesnar's skills were very good for such an inexperienced MMA fighter. He caught Randy with a beautiful elbow. Yes, the punch wasn't beautiful but with the size of his fists and the power behind them , did it really need to be? He fought a smart fight. I think many people underestimate his gas tank. Remember what kind of an athlete the guy is. In his college wrestling and pro wrestling days he learned a lot about endurance, and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten any of that. He trained well for the fight and had a good performance. I'm sure Randy trained as hard or harder, but it just wasn't his night. Brock is a completely different monster than Tim Sylvia. Brock has the killer instinct to finish a fight. It may cause him to rush in in the future and get himself subbed as he did with Mir, but It will likely work to his advantage more often. It is understandable for people to put him down, but what do those people really know. They are entitled to have opinions, even if those opinions stem from ignorance, jealousy, and hatred.

No one really lost in the fight. Randy was paid very well and will be paid very well again if he chooses to fight again, because everyone will want to see him fight again. Randy has proven himself. He is a HOF'er, but his MMA career is surely nearing its end. IMO he should drop to light heavy again and see what happens.

Randy VS Wandy would be fun to watch, or any of the current LHW's except Liddel cause that fight has been played out.

We will see if Lesnar can handle all the new things in his life, (Title, MMA fame, new baby) and come thru the next fight with a good performance.

Dana has been saying lately that he wants to bring Fedor to the UFC. Fedor is still pretty much a free agent. With the latest woes of all the other promotions we could likely see Fedor in the UFC sooner than later. Whether we see him fight Randy or not is a different story. I really don't think it would be that great of a fight anyhow because Fedor's submission skills are light years ahead of Randy's.

In the end, it is what it is. Brock won, Randy lost, next fight please!!

 

[OCNewbie]

I voted after the fight ended... I win

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sonambulo

Ayup. It was clearly Randy's strategy to gas out Lesnar and it was looking good but, as you saw, all it took was one good clean strike and Randy was done. Lesnar is just too strong.

Haha, that wasn't even that hard of a punch. It just hit the right spot. Go learn what a hook is.

What the hell difference does it make?

"Yeah he hit a homerun, but he didn't swing that hard, just hit the right part of the bat." It still counts and he still wins.

The difference that it makes is fucking calling the play right. If he had hit a home run, then I'd have called it a home run, but he had a well placed sacrifice bunt that won the game instead, so I'll call it that.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: OCfreakley
Lesnar's skills were very good for such an inexperienced MMA fighter. He caught Randy with a beautiful elbow. Yes, the punch wasn't beautiful but with the size of his fists and the power behind them , did it really need to be? He fought a smart fight. I think many people underestimate his gas tank. Remember what kind of an athlete the guy is. In his college wrestling and pro wrestling days he learned a lot about endurance, and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten any of that. He trained well for the fight and had a good performance. I'm sure Randy trained as hard or harder, but it just wasn't his night. Brock is a completely different monster than Tim Sylvia. Brock has the killer instinct to finish a fight. It may cause him to rush in in the future and get himself subbed as he did with Mir, but It will likely work to his advantage more often. It is understandable for people to put him down, but what do those people really know. They are entitled to have opinions, even if those opinions stem from ignorance, jealousy, and hatred.

No one really lost in the fight. Randy was paid very well and will be paid very well again if he chooses to fight again, because everyone will want to see him fight again. Randy has proven himself. He is a HOF'er, but his MMA career is surely nearing its end. IMO he should drop to light heavy again and see what happens.

Randy VS Wandy would be fun to watch, or any of the current LHW's except Liddel cause that fight has been played out.

We will see if Lesnar can handle all the new things in his life, (Title, MMA fame, new baby) and come thru the next fight with a good performance.

Dana has been saying lately that he wants to bring Fedor to the UFC. Fedor is still pretty much a free agent. With the latest woes of all the other promotions we could likely see Fedor in the UFC sooner than later. Whether we see him fight Randy or not is a different story. I really don't think it would be that great of a fight anyhow because Fedor's submission skills are light years ahead of Randy's.

In the end, it is what it is. Brock won, Randy lost, next fight please!!

Fedor is locked into fighting Affliction/M1 events. What are you talking about?

Brock still needs to prove himself on the ground again against Mir or Nog. He's still completely raw...he could probably muscle out of some holds, but I'm curious to see how he'd fare against either or when he leaves an arm and a leg out there, again.

Regardless of whatever happens, there's some good HW wrestlers that match up to Brock in terms of sheer size. Brock can't bully those guys around, and hell, they might actually outmuscle Brock. (Shane Carwin as an example) The HW division is finally getting to be exciting...before this, it was absolutely laughable/a complete and utter joke.

 

[QueBert]

Brock will beat Nog or Mir, not sure who's gonna win that fight between them so I don't know which will face Lesnar. He showed patients against Randy, and even at 45 Randy is dangerous as hell. I don't think Brock has even close to the skill set of either, but his size + wrestling means neither will be able to take him down. He has shown in every fight he has 1 punch knock down power (didn't say KO power...) He could basically smash Mir, let mir get back up and smash him again if they rematch. Nog has excellent boxing but Lesnar's size + reach advantage + strength will be hard to over come. Both could submit Brock on the ground, but I would bet my house no way in hell either could submit him standing up. If Brock keeps the fight standing either would be in trouble. And while his hammer fists might not be the most effective GNP technique, his power and speed make them a sick weapon. Watching the slow mo replay if Brock Hammering away on Randy he was fucking him up good. The GIF with the Mario Brothers "100" popping up on every shot kills me lol.

Brock showed a couple sick knees and that standing elbow he threw was very sweet. His striking is akward but due to his reach and power it works. Nobody with 3 fights and 2 years of training in MMA should have been able to man handle Randy like that. Word is Brock's working hard on his BJJ, he obviously will never be as good as a Mir, Nog or Serra. But he doesn't need to be. I think Rogan must have mentioned about 2 dozen times that night how Brock is superhuman. He can give up a lot of experience and still win with the skills he has right now. And if he does end up getting decent in BJJ and submission defense it's gonna be next to impossible for anyone to do anything to him. Randy hit him with a couple clean punches and a nice knee and Brock didn't even flinch. Caine & Carwin might be able to give him a good fight on the Wrestling tip, but I think he takes both out without much hassle. Brock is absolutely the future of MMA, even if he looses the belt to Nog or Mir, he'll remain a top contender in UFC. And nobody with his experince level should have been able to dominate Herring & Randy like that. I'm in awe of the dude. I was kind of on the fence but Saturday he showed me he has what it takes to stand with the best of them.

I hope Mir beats Nog so we can see a rematch. In the post fight interview Brock said when Randy made him bleed it pissed him the fuck off and made him want to tear him apart. I can't imagine he's too happy thinking back to when Mir leg locked him lol.

link to Brock's Caveman work out - this is SICK dude is kind of superhuman

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: sonambulo

Ayup. It was clearly Randy's strategy to gas out Lesnar and it was looking good but, as you saw, all it took was one good clean strike and Randy was done. Lesnar is just too strong.

Haha, that wasn't even that hard of a punch. It just hit the right spot. Go learn what a hook is.

What the hell difference does it make?

"Yeah he hit a homerun, but he didn't swing that hard, just hit the right part of the bat." It still counts and he still wins.

The difference that it makes is fucking calling the play right. If he had hit a home run, then I'd have called it a home run, but he had a well placed sacrifice bunt that won the game instead, so I'll call it that.

uhhh, no not really. A bunt != homerun but a knockdown/out punch = punch regardless. Does it count for like 2 wins if he hits him with a "legit" punch?

Man people are really reaching for any excuse to still say Brock sucks.

 

[Nocturnal]

I think the Nog vs. Brock fight will look reminiscent of the Nog vs. Bob Sapp fight. Bob Sapp almost had Nog finished but got caught with a nasty armbar. Same thing will happen to Brock. I'll eat crow if he somehow beats the crap out of Big Nog.

 

[JDub02]

I'm just wondering when anyone is going to touch Anderson Silva @ 185. I think he might even be unstoppable at 205.

 

[QueBert]

Silva won't make it @ 205, Rampage would KO his ass, Machida would dance around the ring and beat him. Forest might be able to do it (never count Forest out) I think Evans could too. Rashad hasn't even peaked yet, I think after what he did to Liddell we'll see more of that side of him. At 185 I'm not sure who could beat him, Nate Marquardt might take a rematch. Demian Maia has SICK submissions that would be a killer match up. at 185 Silva is comfortable with anyone and will beat most easily. At 205 he's gonna be struggling a little more. He will be a small LHW next to a Forest or Rampage.

Silva Vs Liddell would be an interesting fight.

 

[dbk]

Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: dbk
Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

That would be sweet. THe current lineup for the next few PPV's looks pretty kick ass:

UFC 92 - Evans vs Griffin

UFC 93 - Franklin Henderson

UFC 94 - St Pierre vs Penn

UFC 95 - ? vs ?

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=event.ppvhome

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: dbk
Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

That would be sweet. THe current lineup for the next few PPV's looks pretty kick ass:

UFC 92 - Evans vs Griffin

UFC 93 - Franklin Henderson

UFC 94 - St Pierre vs Penn

UFC 95 - ? vs ?

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=event.ppvhome

Lesnar vs Nog/Mir

 

[imported_apocalypse]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Silva won't make it @ 205, Rampage would KO his ass, Machida would dance around the ring and beat him. Forest might be able to do it (never count Forest out) I think Evans could too. Rashad hasn't even peaked yet, I think after what he did to Liddell we'll see more of that side of him. At 185 I'm not sure who could beat him, Nate Marquardt might take a rematch. Demian Maia has SICK submissions that would be a killer match up. at 185 Silva is comfortable with anyone and will beat most easily. At 205 he's gonna be struggling a little more. He will be a small LHW next to a Forest or Rampage.

Silva Vs Liddell would be an interesting fight.

Silva vs Liddell would be an interesting fight.. if you want to see a highlight reel knockout of Liddell. Silva has the range, aggression and precision to destroy him in standup, Liddell would not have the chance to pull off his counter punching.

LHW is different, its the most stacked division in UFC. Rampage certainly has the KO power, but he couldn't knock out Forrest Griffin and ended up losing. If that version of him is fighting, then he'd get out boxed by Silva and lose. If he was in top form, it'd be a toss up.

Machida would be an interesting fight, they are both so elusive, but Silva has more aggression and killer instinct for finishing fights. This fight will never happen though, they won't fight each other.

Forrest and Evans, I don't know. Though a dominant win in Dec for either would be a good sign that they could.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: apocalypse

Originally posted by: QueBert
Silva won't make it @ 205, Rampage would KO his ass, Machida would dance around the ring and beat him. Forest might be able to do it (never count Forest out) I think Evans could too. Rashad hasn't even peaked yet, I think after what he did to Liddell we'll see more of that side of him. At 185 I'm not sure who could beat him, Nate Marquardt might take a rematch. Demian Maia has SICK submissions that would be a killer match up. at 185 Silva is comfortable with anyone and will beat most easily. At 205 he's gonna be struggling a little more. He will be a small LHW next to a Forest or Rampage.

Silva Vs Liddell would be an interesting fight.

Silva vs Liddell would be an interesting fight.. if you want to see a highlight reel knockout of Liddell. Silva has the range, aggression and precision to destroy him in standup, Liddell would not have the chance to pull off his counter punching.

LHW is different, its the most stacked division in UFC. Rampage certainly has the KO power, but he couldn't knock out Forrest Griffin and ended up losing. If that version of him is fighting, then he'd get out boxed by Silva and lose. If he was in top form, it'd be a toss up.

Machida would be an interesting fight, they are both so elusive, but Silva has more aggression and killer instinct for finishing fights. This fight will never happen though, they won't fight each other.

Forrest and Evans, I don't know. Though a dominant win in Dec for either would be a good sign that they could.

Shouldn't rampage still be in jail from his debacle?

 

[imported_apocalypse]

Originally posted by: Ns1
Shouldn't rampage still be in jail from his debacle?

lol no idea, maybe he pleaded temporary insanity.

But he is confirmed to be fighting in the Dec.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: dbk
Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

That would be sweet. THe current lineup for the next few PPV's looks pretty kick ass:

UFC 92 - Evans vs Griffin

UFC 93 - Franklin Henderson

UFC 94 - St Pierre vs Penn

UFC 95 - ? vs ?

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=event.ppvhome

No shit? St. Pierre - Penn? He could just stay in the lightweight division and beat up Sherk a couple more times. Hopefully he doesn't make 170 pudgy again.

 

[EvilYoda]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: dbk
Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

That would be sweet. THe current lineup for the next few PPV's looks pretty kick ass:

UFC 92 - Evans vs Griffin

UFC 93 - Franklin Henderson

UFC 94 - St Pierre vs Penn

UFC 95 - ? vs ?

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=event.ppvhome

No shit? St. Pierre - Penn? He could just stay in the lightweight division and beat up Sherk a couple more times. Hopefully he doesn't make 170 pudgy again.

Seems like his head is finally in the right place so he'll make weight the right way. It's a pretty awesome situation, having BJ finally doing all that he can to win fights instead of just assuming that natural ability will do it all for him.

 

[SAWYER]

Originally posted by: dbk
Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

LOL Chuck would get murdered

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: ric1287

uhhh, no not really. A bunt != homerun but a knockdown/out punch = punch regardless. Does it count for like 2 wins if he hits him with a "legit" punch?

Man people are really reaching for any excuse to still say Brock sucks.

Holy fuck, I never said that Lesnar didn't throw a "legit" punch. There are two ways to essentially daze an opponent by striking. One is to literally punch them hard enough and often enough to rattle the brain inside the skull. The second way is by a well aimed punch which pulls on the jaw line and stretches a nerve that causes someone to instantly lose balance.

Actually putting a shot in the right spot, which is what Lesnar did, is a hell of a lot harder then hitting hard.

Just like in my reference, a sacrifice bunt to win the game is a hell of a lot more technical then hitting a home run. Of course, you missed that as well.

I've always said this about Lesnar, he punches well and he uses his weight. He has absolute crap grappling skills compared to the other guys which is what happens to be more entertaining for me to watch.

That is also why I said that Lesnar is good for bringing in fans, but not necessarily mma fans. I've been to some local fights and people start jeering when fighters get downright technical on the ground.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: ric1287

uhhh, no not really. A bunt != homerun but a knockdown/out punch = punch regardless. Does it count for like 2 wins if he hits him with a "legit" punch?

Man people are really reaching for any excuse to still say Brock sucks.

Holy fuck, I never said that Lesnar didn't throw a "legit" punch. There are two ways to essentially daze an opponent by striking. One is to literally punch them hard enough and often enough to rattle the brain inside the skull. The second way is by a well aimed punch which pulls on the jaw line and stretches a nerve that literally causes someone to instantly lose balance.

Actually putting a shot in the right spot, which is what Lesnar did, is a hell of a lot harder then hitting hard.

Just like in my reference, a sacrifice bunt to win the game is a hell of a lot more technical then hitting a home run. Of course, you missed that as well.

I've always said this about Lesnar, he punches well and he uses his weight. He has absolute crap grappling skills compared to the other guys which is what happens to be more entertaining for me to watch.

That is also why I said that Lesnar is good for bringing in fans, but not necessarily mma fans. I've been to some local fights and people start jeering when fighters get downright technical on the ground.

Ehh well whatever. Your bunt argument doesn't make sense, it is roughly 10,000,000x easier to bunt a ball than hit it 400ft. So no, you missed it.

I read your initial post as an excuse for why Lesnar won. I will still argue that it means absolutely nothing how you win, a W is a W in any sport and you can't discount Lesnar winning via striking over an armbar or w/e.

If he is a fluke, then Randy would have won :30 into the first round. So what if he doesn't have the best sub/ground game? If he can win with strikes, does it matter? Nope, not at all. If he loses his next 10 fights via submission, then maybe your argument means something.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Ehh well whatever. Your bunt argument doesn't make sense, it is roughly 10,000,000x easier to bunt a ball than hit it 400ft. So no, you missed it.

I read your initial post as an excuse for why Lesnar won. I will still argue that it means absolutely nothing how you win, a W is a W in any sport and you can't discount Lesnar winning via striking over an armbar or w/e.

If he is a fluke, then Randy would have won :30 into the first round. So what if he doesn't have the best sub/ground game? If he can win with strikes, does it matter? Nope, not at all. If he loses his next 10 fights via submission, then maybe your argument means something.

Yes, a W is a W. I just prefer to see more skill which is why I cheer against him. By no means am I saying that he doesn't deserve to be a winner though.

The main problem with UFC is that Dana White runs it like a soap opera. He clearly puts more popular fighters on cards instead of better fighters. That's fine, he can run his business however he wants, but he stopped getting my money about 7 months ago. Other then the GSP fight though, because that man is sexy good.

And hey, you started the baseball crap

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: Sawyer

Originally posted by: dbk
Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

LOL Chuck would get murdered

Liddell has one punch KO power, even if we haven't seen it in awhile. His weird looping hooks could take Silva out. People forget while Silva is good, he has lost. Liddell's style might be a weird match up Silva. Anderson has the advantage in speed, accuracy and technique, but Liddell could cause problems for anyone with his unorthodox style. His age isn't helping him, bur Chuck has beat everyone he's faced with the exception of Rampage & Jardine. And it wasn't that long ago he took it to Wandy, if the same Chuck that fought Wandy fights Anderson, Chuck has a decent shot.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: Sawyer

Originally posted by: dbk
Anderson Silva is rumored to be fighting Chuck Liddell in the main event of UFC 95

LOL Chuck would get murdered

Liddell has one punch KO power, even if we haven't seen it. His weird looping hooks could take Silva out. People forget while Silva is good, he has lost. Liddell's style might be a weird match up Silva. Anderson has the advantage in speed, accuracy and technique, but Liddell could cause problems for anyone with his unorthodox style. His age isn't helping him, bur Chuck has beat everyone he's faced with the exception of Rampage. And it wasn't that long ago he took it to Wandy, if the same Chuck that fought Wandy fights Anderson, Chuck has a decent shot.

Um, what are you talking about? Anderson Silva has plenty of one punch KO power. Chuck has beat everyone he's faced? Maybe you don't remember his loss to Couture, or maybe the Jardine loss after Rampage. (The 2nd loss to Rampage) Or his loss to Evans in the last fight he had in the Octagon, making Evans the next in line against Forrest. You make it sound like he's Doomsday.

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: QueBert
Silva won't make it @ 205, Rampage would KO his ass, Machida would dance around the ring and beat him. Forest might be able to do it (never count Forest out) I think Evans could too. Rashad hasn't even peaked yet, I think after what he did to Liddell we'll see more of that side of him. At 185 I'm not sure who could beat him, Nate Marquardt might take a rematch. Demian Maia has SICK submissions that would be a killer match up. at 185 Silva is comfortable with anyone and will beat most easily. At 205 he's gonna be struggling a little more. He will be a small LHW next to a Forest or Rampage.

Silva Vs Liddell would be an interesting fight.

Anderson and Machida are training partners, they said they will not fight each other.

However, $$$ talks.