UFC/MMA news thread

[waggy]

hes better then Floyd. Flyod just sports in boxing and gets to pick old men to beat up. Flyod would lose to 50% of mma fighter.

well now that depends. In a boxing match? no. none of them would beat him.

In a MMA fight? yeah i agree.

 

[JEDI]

so mcgreggor had to go up 2 weight divisions (145 to 170lbs) to find a fight?!

no other light weights (155lb) around?!
bj penn was looking for a comeback, I thought?

 

[tynopik]

well now that depends. In a boxing match? no. none of them would beat him.

In a MMA fight? yeah i agree.

ANY MMA fighter or are we restricting it to same weight class?

Because Werdum or Cain or Jones would clown him in a boxing match

 

[WaTaGuMp]

so mcgreggor had to go up 2 weight divisions (145 to 170lbs) to find a fight?!

no other light weights (155lb) around?!
bj penn was looking for a comeback, I thought?

Conor most likely walks around at 170 or there abouts, thats why people have talked shit about him fighting at 145, picking on smaller fighters, or so they say. Cant say for sure why they picked that weight to go with a fight for, maybe the fact its 2 weeks away.

 

[Childs]

Conor most likely walks around at 170 or there abouts, thats why people have talked shit about him fighting at 145, picking on smaller fighters, or so they say. Cant say for sure why they picked that weight to go with a fight for, maybe the fact its 2 weeks away.

Nate wasnt in training camp and they didnt think he could get down to 155 in time.

 

[preslove]

I think it will be a good fight. Even if Connor can kick Nate's legs, he will need to do it for 3 full rounds. Nate is tough as shit and will come at Connor. Not wildly charge in like Aldo, but bring the fight to him. Diaz don't give a shit.

And, as great as it would be to see Diaz beat McGregor, his only shot is really a submission or TKO. No decision in the world would go his way.


Nick was talking shit to Silva while Silva was on top of him!



Diaz made $40k purse ($20k + $20k win bonus) and an additional $50k for fight of the night. So, Connor is "right" in that he only got $20k to show up. And, as much shit as McGregor talks, he didn't make a million from his last fight either. He got $500k with no win bonus and a $50k performance bonus. Now, that doesn't include any sponsorship money either may be making. McGregor talks like his is Floyd Mayweather money, but he isn't.

Conor got a cut of the PPV $. I saw estimates that he made ~$7million for that fight. Not Mayweather money, sure, but he (and rhonda) is in a class by himself in the UFC

 

[digiram]

ANY MMA fighter or are we restricting it to same weight class?

Because Werdum or Cain or Jones would clown him in a boxing match

Seriously??

We're talking about a world class boxer that's gone, pretty much, untouched against some of the best in the game for the past 2 decades. Floyd would clown any of them in the boxing ring.

 

[tynopik]

Seriously??

We're talking about a world class boxer that's gone, pretty much, untouched against some of the best in the game for the past 2 decades.

Really? The best boxers in the world? Or the best boxers in his weight class? Because I sure don't recall any Floyd-Klitschko matches. (that would have been hilarious btw)

Floyd would clown any of them in the boxing ring.

this isn't difficult. size matters

technique can only make up so much of the reach and power advantage they have

we're not talking complete nooblars off the street, these men have had professional boxing instruction. Their technique isn't as refined as Floyd's, but it's good enough when combined with their tremendous physical advantages

 

[QueBert]

Really? The best boxers in the world? Or the best boxers in his weight class? Because I sure don't recall any Floyd-Klitschko matches. (that would have been hilarious btw)



this isn't difficult. size matters

technique can only make up so much of the reach and power advantage they have

we're not talking complete nooblars off the street, these men have had professional boxing instruction. Their technique isn't as refined as Floyd's, but it's good enough when combined with their tremendous physical advantages

Floyd would fair well at all in an MMA match that shouldn't even be debatable. The MMA dude with the greatest pure boxing abilities would get destroyed by Floyd. Their technique is in no way good enough to be able to do anything to Floyd in a boxing match. Floyd would humiliate any MMA dude in a boxing match without even trying. P4P he's #1 of the past 20 years, and somewhere high on the top 10. Vladi of his brother would obviously win because of the size difference. But skill wise they're about as far away from Mayweather as you could get. Floyd clowned the best boxers in his weight class with ease, him vs an MMA dude in a boxing match shouldn't even be sanctionable imho.

And Mercer Vs Silvia showed that even if it's an uber slim punchers chance, a boxer can beat an MMA dude in an MMA match. Silvia at that time was still considered to be pretty decent.

 

[tynopik]

him vs an MMA dude in a boxing match shouldn't even be sanctionable imho.

yeah, because an MMA guy that has a 6" height advantage and an 80lb weight advantage would send Pretty Boy to the hospital

 

[smackababy]

I love this thread now. For starters, Mayweather is, and this isn't debatable, the greatest technical boxer in the history of boxing. People who say size matters should watch Tyson in his prime. He is incredibly small for a heavy weight, and his ability / technique / and movement allowed him to close and attack while closing better than anyone else in boxing.

I am actually really glad this fight is 170. I'd hate for a scratch weight bullshit because Diaz had 10 days notice.

 

[tynopik]

I love this thread now. For starters, Mayweather is, and this isn't debatable, the greatest technical boxer in the history of boxing.

that's great

doesn't mean shit against that sort of physical disadvantage

People who say size matters should watch Tyson in his prime. He is incredibly small for a heavy weight

he is 5'10" and 220lbs, that's plenty big. That much weight on that short of a frame allowed him to generate beastly power

Mayweather is 5'8" and less than 150, not even in the same class, he's a twig that would get snapped in half

It's true that once you reach a certain size, additional size isn't always an advantage. It's why the heavyweight class can span such a huge range of sizes and still be competitive.

But that is absolutely, categorically not the case when we're dealing with the manlet sizes Floyd fights at.

and his ability / technique / and movement allowed him to close and attack while closing better than anyone else in boxing.

again you're ignoring the fact that he's a manlet and will get manhandled by those monsters

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Floyd Lameweather is a fucking douchebag piece of shit, I hope he ends up broke.

 

[smackababy]

that's great

doesn't mean shit against that sort of physical disadvantage



he is 5'10" and 220lbs, that's plenty big. That much weight on that short of a frame allowed him to generate beastly power

Mayweather is 5'8" and less than 150, not even in the same class, he's a twig that would get snapped in half

It's true that once you reach a certain size, additional size isn't always an advantage. It's why the heavyweight class can span such a huge range of sizes and still be competitive.

But that is absolutely, categorically not the case when we're dealing with the manlet sizes Floyd fights at.



again you're ignoring the fact that he's a manlet and will get manhandled by those monsters

McGregor is the same size as Mayweather, as is most of the UFC under 170. And, your idea that bigger fighter can beat a smaller fighter through nothing but being bigger, is laughable. The gulf in class in boxing ability between Mayweather and 100% of the UFC is so unimaginably large, they wouldn't win a round against him. Even someone like Jones, who may be quick enough to get in (and not be instantly stopped by Floyd holding his elbow out, which is one of his brilliant moves), Mayweather will just clinch and get them pushed back aside. That doesn't even account for any hesitation an MMA fighter will do caused by them wanting to instinctively kick, shoot for a takedown, etc where Mayweather will tag them and back out.

You're talking about what amounts to an amateur, at best, boxer against, not only a professional, one of the best professionals in the history of boxing.

Floyd Lameweather is a fucking douchebag piece of shit, I hope he ends up broke.

Floyd, while being pretty much a garbage person, has done nothing buy make great financial moves. So, good chance he is going be wealthy for a long time.

 

[tynopik]

McGregor is the same size as Mayweather, as is most of the UFC under 170.

boxers rarely cut much if any weight

mma cut massive amounts, so when McGregor makes 145, he's still significantly bigger than Floyd

don't misunderstand, McGregor is a midget too

Even someone like Jones, who may be quick enough to get in (and not be instantly stopped by Floyd holding his elbow out, which is one of his brilliant moves),

physics, how does it work?

Mayweather will just clinch and get them pushed back aside.

So Mayweather is just going to magically teleport from out-of-range to the clinch? How do you think he's going to get in the clinch without eating some monster shots?

where Mayweather will tag them and back out.

before Mayweather is in range to 'tag' someone, he's going to be in range to get KTFO

 

[smackababy]

boxers rarely cut much if any weight

mma cut massive amounts, so when McGregor makes 145, he's still significantly bigger than Floyd

don't misunderstand, McGregor is a midget too



physics, how does it work?



So Mayweather is just going to magically teleport from out-of-range to the clinch? How do you think he's going to get in the clinch without eating some monster shots?



before Mayweather is in range to 'tag' someone, he's going to be in range to get KTFO

Have you ever watched a boxing match? Your entire argument is "omg big guy run in and punch hard". Yeah, certainly doesn't work, especially against a real boxer. Someone being bigger doesn't mean they can out box anyone.

The only thing a larger fighter would have is there is very little change Mayweather would knock them out, so they get a lot of time getting tagged to get that one lucky shot in.

 

[tynopik]

Have you ever watched a boxing match?

Have you ever watched a fight where there's such a serious discrepancy in size and power?

(no, Butterbean fights don't count)

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Lameweather only knocks out women anyhow.

 

[QueBert]

Have you ever watched a fight where there's such a serious discrepancy in size and power?

(no, Butterbean fights don't count)

size & power are negated when the skills discrepancy is so large. Floyd would literally not get touched by any HW in the UFC in a boxing match. Reach or not, he's too good of a defense fighter. He isn't going to beat them up, and he's not going to get in clinch range, but he's also not going to get hit either. He has 49 fights and has been rocked once and semi knocked down once. He has entire fights where boxers who are world champs don't land a single good punch all fight. Jones has a 13 inch reach advantage. He wouldn't hit Floyd with anything though. Japan loves gonzo fights like Sapp vs the Japanese wrestler who was literally half his size. Guess who won that fight? Sapp got finished. There was at least a 100lb size difference, maybe 150. He was also a foot shorter.

 

[futurefields]

so nick diaz is fighting Cannor, gonna be awesome

 

[tynopik]

size & power are negated when the skills discrepancy is so large.

If you were talking about people off the street, sure

But UFC boxing is competent enough that Mayweather has zero chance.

Floyd would literally not get touched by any HW in the UFC in a boxing match.

that is a purely ignorant statement

He has 49 fights and has been rocked once and semi knocked down once.

He got rocked by a midget. That doesn't bode well for facing the force of a giant.

He has entire fights where boxers who are world champs don't land a single good punch all fight.

What you're missing that lots of the strategies that work against people his size are simply ineffective against someone that much bigger and stronger.

Japan loves gonzo fights like Sapp vs the Japanese wrestler who was literally half his size. Guess who won that fight? Sapp got finished. There was at least a 100lb size difference, maybe 150. He was also a foot shorter.

You know what else Japan loves? Works.

 

[QueBert]

If you were talking about people off the street, sure

But UFC boxing is competent enough that Mayweather has zero chance.



that is a purely ignorant statement



He got rocked by a midget. That doesn't bode well for facing the force of a giant.



What you're missing that lots of the strategies that work against people his size are simply ineffective against someone that much bigger and stronger.



You know what else Japan loves? Works.

LOL he got rocked by Mosley, who's 5'9 which imho is hardly a midget. Also Mosley would KO anyone in the UFC with relative ease. MMA boxing is competent for MMA. The best striker in MMA would get LIT up in a boxing match. Anderson use to say he wanted to fight Roy Jones in a boxing match. Even with RJJ years out of his prime he would have embarassed The Spider. I love MMA, I've watched every event from Pride, UFC, most Strikeforce and a lot of the Bellators. You cannot compare boxing in MMA to boxing in boxing. An analogy would be the best boxer in MMA would be like the best player in the WNBA. How would she do in a 1 on 1 against Lebron? How about how would she do against a bench player who see's close to no play time. She loses to both, badly. Yes the difference between a world class boxers boxing and a top 10 MMA dudes boxing is like WNBA vs NBA.

And the strength you talk about wouldn't really factor in, you have to land solid for power to mean anything. If Manny couldn't land a clean shot, no UFC fighter would. Cain could technically probably put him to sleep with 1 shot, but he's not going to connect.

 

[tynopik]

LOL he got rocked by Mosley, who's 5'9 which imho is hardly a midget.

it's not just the height, welterweight = midget

Also Mosley would KO anyone in the UFC with relative ease.

no welterweight midget is going to be KOing Jones

The best striker in MMA would get LIT up in a boxing match.

In a similar weight class, sure.

When there's such a huge discrepancy in size and power? No

An analogy would be the best boxer in MMA would be like the best player in the WNBA. How would she do in a 1 on 1 against Lebron?

Muggsy Bogues would be a more apt comparison, and even then, not really b/c Bogues would still have a lot of physical advantages that Floyd simply wouldn't

And the strength you talk about wouldn't really factor in, you have to land solid for power to mean anything. If Manny couldn't land a clean shot, no UFC fighter would. Cain could technically probably put him to sleep with 1 shot, but he's not going to connect.

Landing 'clean' means different things when you have that much power behind it.

 

[QueBert]

it's not just the height, welterweight = midget



no welterweight midget is going to be KOing Jones

Melvin Manhof who was @ 185 knocked out Mark Hunt with a jab while stepping back. Hunt at the time was a SHW. Hunt has one of the best chins in MMA, Jones has a good chin, not sure how it compares to Hunt. If Mosley connected on Jones, yeah it would be nighty night. Manhof could easily KO anyone. And power + striking Mosley > Manhof

 

[tynopik]

Melvin Manhof who was @ 185 knocked out Mark Hunt with a jab while stepping back.

There's a world of difference between 145 and 185

And power + striking Mosley > Manhof

how do you figure that?