UFC/MMA news thread

[norseamd]

Melvin Manhof who was @ 185 knocked out Mark Hunt with a jab while stepping back. Hunt at the time was a SHW. Hunt has one of the best chins in MMA, Jones has a good chin, not sure how it compares to Hunt. If Mosley connected on Jones, yeah it would be nighty night. Manhof could easily KO anyone. And power + striking Mosley > Manhof

If you are going to talk about Manhoef as proof of something in a scientific subject, then maybe you ought to know who Manhoef actually is.

Edit: See this is not about Mayweather being able to KO an opponent that is heavily outweighing him. I retract my previous statement.

 

[smackababy]

When there's such a huge discrepancy in size and power? No

You're entire argument revolves around a larger fighter actually landing in a shot enough to do damage. This is a boxer whose entire career is being able to slip the shots of opponents much faster than anyone in the UFC.

 

[digiram]

You're entire argument revolves around a larger fighter actually landing in a shot enough to do damage. This is a boxer whose entire career is being able to slip the shots of opponents much faster than anyone in the UFC.

Serioulsy,

Let's just end it like this. In a boxing ring Floyd wins, in the octagon Floyd loses.

Roy Jones who was once a middle weight ballooned up to HW and took a belt at one point to.

Any MMA dude that steps in the boxing ring, regardless of size would be embarrassed by Floyd, and vice versa.

 

[preslove]

Melvin Manhof who was @ 185 knocked out Mark Hunt with a jab while stepping back. Hunt at the time was a SHW. Hunt has one of the best chins in MMA, Jones has a good chin, not sure how it compares to Hunt. If Mosley connected on Jones, yeah it would be nighty night. Manhof could easily KO anyone. And power + striking Mosley > Manhof

Just shut the fuck up, you idiotic manchild. You know nothing about fighting and have been embarrassing yourself. You're not going to convince us of anything and are just confirming how stupid and you are. Go back to reviewing fast food, dummy.

 

[QueBert]

Just shut the fuck up, you idiotic manchild. You know nothing about fighting and have been embarrassing yourself. You're not going to convince us of anything and are just confirming how stupid and you are. Go back to reviewing fast food, dummy.

Says the person in a thread where people are legitimately saying there are MMA fighters who could beat Mayweather in a boxing match. That's rich...

You probably fall under that category so I'm going to chuckle at your insult.

 

[waggy]

I suppose cain might have a chance..anyone near mayweather's size though he is going to just embarrass.

while I give cain a chance. it's a very small chance. but hell if he connect's clean (heh good luck on that) it's over.

I mean he is only 5'8 and roughly 150.

 

[tynopik]

If Manny couldn't land a clean shot, no UFC fighter would.

This is incorrect, Manny landed 63 power shots.

You can't go 12 rounds and not get hit, it simply isn't possible.

A couple of points about usual tactics not being effective against that sort of physical disadvantage.

1. range: normally you can stand at the edge of effective range and use subtle movement to get in, hit, and get back out before the other guy can hit you. When the other guy has a huge reach advantage, that no longer works. There is no way to get in and back out without him having plenty of time to hit you

2. power: holding your gloves up to block a shot? again that can be effective against someone of equivalent power, but when the strength disparity is that huge, they'll punch straight through your defense and knock you silly.

I suppose cain might have a chance

Cain would murder him 10 times out of 10

anyone near mayweather's size though he is going to just embarrass.

obviously

I mean he is only 5'8 and roughly 150.

exactly

 

[futurefields]

Can't wait to see Diaz embarrass McGregor.

McGregor is a great stand up fighter that's it.

Diaz is great in the stand up boxing and has great ground game to compliment it, and we all know how scrappy and tough he is.

 

[smackababy]

Can't wait to see Diaz embarrass McGregor.

McGregor is a great stand up fighter that's it.

Diaz is great in the stand up boxing and has great ground game to compliment it, and we all know how scrappy and tough he is.

That would ideal for Diaz to actually be mcgregor. I don't see it happening though. Honestly, I think it will be a decision, which will go to McGregor.

 

[JEDI]

if McGregor walks around 170lbs, I wonder why he cut so much weight to fight in the 145lb division?

why didn't he fight 1lvl down at 155?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

if McGregor walks around 170lbs, I wonder why he cut so much weight to fight in the 145lb division?

why didn't he fight 1lvl down at 155?

Why not fight at 145 if you can make it and still be strong? Next you fight at 155, have 2 titles, which is what he wants. You never know, he might try Lawler down the road also.

 

[Childs]

Kinda think Silva got hosed. I had him winning the last 3 rounds easily. He was clowning a little too much, but he really messed Bisping up. There were a couple decisions that went for the UK fighter when I saw it the other way, but thats what happens when you leave it to the judges.

 

[JEDI]

Why not fight at 145 if you can make it and still be strong? Next you fight at 155, have 2 titles, which is what he wants. You never know, he might try Lawler down the road also.

hm.. can he fight up a lvl?
ie: light hw vs jon jones?

or is there a minimum weight to be in that division?

if no minimum weight, then Mighty Mouse (135lbs) vs Cain Velasquez (265lbs)?
ultimate speed vs ultimate power?

 

[JEDI]

boxers rarely cut much if any weight

mma cut massive amounts,

Why don't boxers cut weight???

 

[manly]

if McGregor walks around 170lbs, I wonder why he cut so much weight to fight in the 145lb division?

why didn't he fight 1lvl down at 155?

Because if he can cut to 145, he can fight vs. guys smaller than him. I doubt he actually walks around at 170 but even if he does, he'd have to enter the cage against welterweights 15-25 pounds heavier than him.

McGregor looks like a legit lightweight, a little big for bantamweight.

Why don't boxers cut weight???

All boxers, with few exceptions, cut weight.

 

[JSt0rm]

Conor has been putting muscle on. So this isn't his normal weight. I don't know if he will go back to featherweight. We will see I guess.

 

[tynopik]

Why don't boxers cut weight???

They do cut, just not as much (generally speaking) as mma or wrestlers

why? I'm not sure, but i've seen several references to the difference in culture over the years

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/10/...-of-little-benefit-some-dangers-and-difficult

But the mentality of weight-cutting in MMA comes more from amateur wrestling, not boxing. In that sport, the participants, as a rule, cut far more. It's why the WBC adopted those regulations with little issue, while in MMA, these same rules would have far greater resistance.

 

[tynopik]

hm.. can he fight up a lvl?
ie: light hw vs jon jones?

or is there a minimum weight to be in that division?

if no minimum weight, then Mighty Mouse (135lbs) vs Cain Velasquez (265lbs)?
ultimate speed vs ultimate power?

yes there is a minimum weight for a division

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Fighting_Championship#Weight_divisions

they can do catch-weight fights, but those require special exceptions and practically no commission is going to sanction MM vs Cain

 

[QueBert]

Why don't boxers cut weight???

Boxing has so many weight classes, something like 19, they do cut but it's far less. GSP would have to have cut 15 pounds to move down to the next lowest weight class. In those same 15 lbs there are 3 classes in boxing, and only 2 pounds off a 4th. Boxers imho are much more skilled, because they invest 100% of their training into boxing. Marquez who's easily top 50 of all time cut something like only 7 pounds to fight Mayweather. And he got destroyed. Cutting a lot of weight in MMA's pretty common, boxers typically seem to only go up or down 2 classes. Rumble walks around @ 230'ish and he fought at 170 for years. That's fucking crazy. Even at LHW now he's still one of the biggest looking dudes in that weight class. 10 pounds in MMA doesn't mean shit, in boxing it's the difference between winning and losing.

 

[shabby]

Kinda think Silva got hosed. I had him winning the last 3 rounds easily. He was clowning a little too much, but he really messed Bisping up. There were a couple decisions that went for the UK fighter when I saw it the other way, but thats what happens when you leave it to the judges.

I think because silva stayed on the fence in the 4th screwed his chances, with him staying there most of the round made the judges think he was cornered or on the defensive.
This is almost like the gsp/hendricks fight, gsp's face was a mess but he still won.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Did Silva look different physically, since he isn't on the drugs anymore? Its not like he was ever ripped etc though.

 

[futurefields]

he looked the same as you would expect him to look at his age

this was not a vitor-esque deflation

 

[smackababy]

Did Silva look different physically, since he isn't on the drugs anymore? Its not like he was ever ripped etc though.

Silva always looked, physically, like shit. Apparently, he always ate like shit (fast food, etc) in non competition and just cut it down. I think everyone knew Silva was done after the leg injury. Even when he came back, he even stated he wasn't even sure if he wanted to come back. The guy is basically collecting checks now and it shows.

 

[isekii]

Silva always looked, physically, like shit. Apparently, he always ate like shit (fast food, etc) in non competition and just cut it down. I think everyone knew Silva was done after the leg injury. Even when he came back, he even stated he wasn't even sure if he wanted to come back. The guy is basically collecting checks now and it shows.

He doesn't throw those devastating kicks anymore. He's probably afraid of another breakage or something and if I were in his shoes ~ i'd be too. That break was pretty gory.

 

[tcG]

Can't wait to see Diaz embarrass McGregor.

McGregor is a great stand up fighter that's it.

Diaz is great in the stand up boxing and has great ground game to compliment it, and we all know how scrappy and tough he is.

MMA spectators tend to overestimate the advantage of being 'well-rounded.' A phenomenal striker can render other parts of the fight moot.

I also don't think it is a forgone conclusion that McGregor has a weak ground game. He hasn't really been tested on the ground.

MMA fans have always been pretty divided about McGregor, with a vocal contingent calling him GOAT from his first MMA fight and another group saying that he is overrated. Well, as his opponents got tougher and tougher and he continued defeating them in devastating fashion the "overrated" brigade got quieter and quieter.

I think if you look at his resume it is one of the most impressive in the UFC. He has pretty much dominated all opponents, whether they were journeymen or top fighters like Mendes and Aldo. I think people underestimate him because his attitude verus his performance creates a disconnect - people just aren't used to somebody with so much braggadocio being so skilled.

TLDR: Anyone who isn't a McGregor fan is stupid.