UGH,, so i've been playing Wii all day.

[Capitalizt]

I think the OP is a Sony fanboy.

He doesn't have a Wii...just doesn't want Nintendo succeed. Everyone I know who has a Wii absolutely loves it. Wii sports is very addicting in 1 or 2 player mode...and Zelda is just friggin awesome.

 

[Aikouka]

I've had a chance to play the Wii as my brother camped out to buy one purely off the Nintendo name and all the "fanboy ravings" about it. He got one and I really don't think he's as satisfied as he expected. I know I tried it and I found the Wiimote, like I kept saying it would be... is very annoying to use in some situations. On the menu, I'd prefer to just use a directional pad, especially when entering in large amounts of information (my WPA key for example).

I remember how people would say the Wii is just a repackaged GameCube and people would come out to bash them into smithereens. Now, when I look at the games... they DO look like GameCube-esque games! Where's the graphical innovation? Is innovation limited to one spectrum (controls)? Immersion cannot be simply implemented through more lifelike controls. You've got to fill the experience with great sound (music and effects) mixed with great video (cinematics and graphical quality/detail).

Zenoth, I can't blame you for playing Super Metroid, that was a great game in the series and is one of the reasons why I don't like the newer Metroid games. They're simply too different and I didn't enjoy them as much as the platformers.

Also, I don't think the resolution complaint is entirely "wack." The market is trying to push HDTVs over standard televisions and do you think someone with a 1080p HDTV is going to enjoy their new console displaying at an ugly upscaled 480p?

Do I think the Wii is a horrible system? Nah. I really don't think that it's worth $250 compared to other systems that're available today. The graphics are somewhat comparable to a $99 gamecube and it uses technology that Nintendo used years ago with the Super Scope. Let's hope they get some good games that really take advantage of the control scheme in a good way.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: VIAN

Originally posted by: Avalon
So let's see...the two biggest complaints I'm seeing in this thread are that the graphics aren't as pretty as the competition, and that the system doesn't support a high enough resolution. Why am I not surprised?

I'm perfectly fine with 480p, and I already knew this system wasn't in it for the graphics war. It's going to be focusing on unique gameplay. I've had my system for almost two days now, and I love Wii sports. Getting a bunch of friends together to play some tennis or baseball is great fun, and I'm not tiring of it. I started up a bit of Zelda, and the controls have been working well for me so far. I like it.

The resolution complaint is wack, but don't underestimate graphics. Graphics are a part of the gameplay rating.

However, I think that Nintendo has created a hype machine that should've sold for less than 200 bucks. The Wii is the same POS that the DS was.

A controller should be super comfortable and never get in the way of gaming. By throwing away decades of controller evolution, Nintendo has kicked itself in the ass. The controller itself is a limitation to the creation of games. You'll be playing similar games for the rest of the time you own a Wii, since the controller is too specific. Think of it, you bought it for specificness, not for it's generalness.

And that nunchuk (retarded name) looks uncomfortable to control.

I'm not underestimating the graphics. The problem is that more people are overstimating them as a gaming factor, and gameplay is going nowhere. 99% of the games that come out these days are pretty to watch, but bore me to tears. Zelda looks better than nearly every game I've seen on the GC, so there is room for some graphical advancement. I agree that the system should have sold for $200 instead of $250, but I'm happier with it over a $300-400 X360 or a $500-600 PS3.

Like I mentioned earlier, I have no problems with the controller and it feels very natural playing with it. I bought the system for the new possibilities it COULD bring. That doesn't mean it's going to throw everything previous out the window. There will be good standard games for the system...the remote does function as a regular controller. Just flip it sideways and hold it as such. If you really wanted, just plug in a gamecube controller, or go out and buy a classic controller if using the remote as such bothers you.

If you genuinely don't like the system, that's fine. Play with what you like. It's the only way to make yourself happy. I just think that some of these complaints against the system are silly.

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: Kromis
So you're saying that the normal controller is the same bullsh!t that we've seen for the past decade? The SIXAXIS' motion sensing capability is just flattery for Nintendo. Finally, a change in the way we play games...

BTW, what else would you call the "nunchuk"? You attach it to the Wiimote and it looks like a nunchuck, sorta. Hmm...maybe "joystick on chunk of plastic" would do quite well!

No, I'm saying that Wiimote is bullshit, because of it's specific application. I'm basically saying what Zenoth said in his last paragraph. What Sony did was a business move. They noticed that people were orgasming in their pants when the Wii was mentioned and they didn't want to be left out in the cold. It may be a way in which we change games, but you won't find yourself doing massive combos and special moves in a fighting game with it. The controller is made for SIMPLE gameplay, nothing complex. I haven't played it, and it might be some fun for a while, but I'm not taking the chance. I took the chance with the DS, and that was the biggest bullshit I've ever seen. Why it's popular idk.

I'd call it the joystick. It might look like a nunchuk, in fact it might also look like a bunch of other stuff as well, but it won't be used as a nunchuk. It's a freakin Joystick. Anyway, its only a piece of the without the Wiimote, so how can it even be called nunchuk.

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

My brother bought one on release day (dragged me to wait with him for 3 hours in line at a balmy temperature of minus 5) and, having had it for a few days:

I feel it's too childish but could be GREAT if they realized people older than 7 play the thing. I mean, come on... Mii's??? Zelda, so far, is ok at best. It just seems like they tacked on another chapter to the Ocarina of Time, and the NPC's are so grossly geared towards treating Link like a 3 year old. "Oh, don't you just adore the kitty? Look how happy he is to lap his milk!" But, I am only two hours into it while my brother's about ten hours in, and watching him play it DOES seem the game redeems itself. Getting through the first part for me, is an exercise in tolerance.

I think the remote is overly complex; Nintendo really pulled off a well-disguised ripoff. Consider that a full "controller", with both parts, will set you back about $60... more than a PS3 or 360 controller. It's cool and flashy and different but I think the novelty will wear off sooner rather than later. It's pretty easy to use with a small amount of practice, and I like that I can still select things with the joystick if I don't wish to use the remote to aim at my selection.

The only other gripe is the sensor bar that must attach to the TV. My TV is a wall-mounted flatscreen and all the wires hooked to it were concealed inside the wall so that the TV looks very clean with no visible wires. Not so with the dang sensor bar. It ruined the clean look I had going.

Otherwise... I think it's a pretty good deal overall; the console looks very sleek and I think I will grow to like it more as time goes on. My brother is eight years younger than me and he really seems to love it, especially the sports games.

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
i know i wont buy a wii, i probably will never use one.... nintendo's games etc just dont appeal to me, i couldnt care less about mario, or zelda but equally nin fans probably dont care for PGR3 or GT4.

If it wasn't a Wii, I would have bought it because Mario games really appeal to me. However, only 1 is released per system. So forget them. If they would release 2 or 3 per system, that would be nice. Zelda is more popular than Mario at this point and they just keep churning out Zelda's like nobody's business. Assholes. I'm tired of Zelda. The only one that I thought was truely an amazing game was Wind Waker (besides the obvious Ocarina similarities). Ocarina, was too similar to Link to the past. I beat Ocarina and then when I got my hands on a link to the past, boy were they similar. I couldn't finish the game. Anyway, I was sort of disappointed with Ocarina of time compared to Link to the Past (when I first played it as a child). Ocarina of time didn't have nearly as many items to fool around with in comparison to other Zelda games. That made it less fun for me.

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Also, I don't think the resolution complaint is entirely "wack." The market is trying to push HDTVs over standard televisions and do you think someone with a 1080p HDTV is going to enjoy their new console displaying at an ugly upscaled 480p?

480p is still high definition. It is also considered Enhanced Definition, TVs of the name are known to have similar picture quality to true HDTV. Plus, I doubt that even the Xbox360 and the PS3 will be plaing games at 1080p. They will all be 720p. Besides what makes HDTV isn't the higher resolution, but it's the progressive picture. That contributes most to the excellent picture quality.


BTW, in second video in the link below, what is that sensor bar? There is also a SNES looking controller & a Power Gun. http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/final-wii-specs-and-demo

Agreed with the above post, the sensor bar looks very annoying and big and ruins the clean look that the Wii provides as well as your setup.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Capitalizt
I think the OP is a Sony fanboy.

Anyone that posts something negative about the Wii is a Sony fanboy? People might say that you would be a Ninetindo fanboy for not being able to accept that someone that has played a Wii may not like it.

 

[newhemidude]

Maybe you guys who already have the Wii can answer this question for me. I've been reading that the Wii games won't let you use the gamecube controllers. You can only use a gamecube controller for a gamecube game.

I guess what I'm wondering---does it force you to use that stupid Wii controller for all Wii games? What if I feel like sitting down(and using a gamecube controller) rather than jumping around like a fool using that Wii controller?

 

[giantpinkbunnyhead]

Originally posted by: newhemidude
Maybe you guys who already have the Wii can answer this question for me. I've been reading that the Wii games won't let you use the gamecube controllers. You can only use a gamecube controller for a gamecube game.

I guess what I'm wondering---does it force you to use that stupid Wii controller for all Wii games? What if I feel like sitting down(and using a gamecube controller) rather than jumping around like a fool using that Wii controller?

If the Wii takes gamecube controllers, I don't know where they would plug in, unless there's an access panel or something I overlooked. I'd like to find out too, because I'd rather play Zelda without the remote business.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: VIAN
I took the chance with the DS, and that was the biggest bullshit I've ever seen. Why it's popular idk.

For a gamer, you seem to not be able to see eye to eye with the vast majority of gamers out there. I'm not saying you are wrong, but the fact that you can sit there day after day and say "I don't get why anyone likes this", well, you would think after awhile you'd stop and think about it. Maybe it's something your doing. I don't know. Sure, varying opinions and all that, but usually that accounts for a small percentage, not a constant basis.

 

[MajorMullet]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

If the Wii takes gamecube controllers, I don't know where they would plug in, unless there's an access panel or something I overlooked. I'd like to find out too, because I'd rather play Zelda without the remote business.

There are two access panels on the side of the Wii. One has gamecube memory card slots and the other has gamecube controller ports.

I don't know about playing Zelda with the gamecube controller. I haven't tried it, but I doubt that it possible.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: VIAN
480p is still high definition. It is also considered Enhanced Definition, TVs of the name are known to have similar picture quality to true HDTV. Plus, I doubt that even the Xbox360 and the PS3 will be plaing games at 1080p. They will all be 720p. Besides what makes HDTV isn't the higher resolution, but it's the progressive picture. That contributes most to the excellent picture quality.

Yes, it's considered a high definition, but that's not my point. 480p->1080p upscaling isn't pretty, but on the other hand, 720p->1080p upscaling isn't bad. Also progressive scan usually leads to a sharper picture (as interleaving can sometimes leave much to be desired) and plays no role in whether a TV is considered HD or not.

Originally posted by: VIAN
BTW, in second video in the link below, what is that sensor bar? There is also a SNES looking controller & a Power Gun. http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/final-wii-specs-and-demo

I can't look at the video at the moment, but I assume you're talking about the Wiimote's sensor bar that helps it determine which way you're moving the controller via IR.

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead
If the Wii takes gamecube controllers, I don't know where they would plug in, unless there's an access panel or something I overlooked. I'd like to find out too, because I'd rather play Zelda without the remote business.

Yes, it has 4 Gamecube controller parts in an access panel. Although, I haven't tried or seen my brother try the Gamecube controller in Zelda. I don't think it'd work as arrows require you to pull back on the Wiimote, unless Nintendo wants to destroy the "enhanced feel" of the game.

EDIT: Messed up a close quote and addendum:

Originally posted by: skace
For a gamer, you seem to not be able to see eye to eye with the vast majority of gamers out there. I'm not saying you are wrong, but the fact that you can sit there day after day and say "I don't get why anyone likes this", well, you would think after awhile you'd stop and think about it. Maybe it's something your doing. I don't know. Sure, varying opinions and all that, but usually that accounts for a small percentage, not a constant basis.

Not everyone has to like everything. I own a Nintendo DS and a Sony PSP, but I use my PSP about 100 times more often than my DS, and that's no exaggeration. In fact, I'm using my PSP right now to listen to music. Sure, the DS (now) has that feature, but I'd have to pay $50 for it. Also, the DS (in my opinion) doesn't have nearly as many good games as the PSP does. I own about 13 PSP games and 5 DS games at the moment. Although I still need to pick up Phoenix Wright and Trauma Surgeon for the DS, I also need to go get Every Extend Extra for the PSP today (incredibly fun game).

 

[Todd33]

480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Avalon
So let's see...the two biggest complaints I'm seeing in this thread are that the graphics aren't as pretty as the competition, and that the system doesn't support a high enough resolution. Why am I not surprised?

Mmm, no actually the complaints so far have been:

The controller is novel but otherwise sucks.
The graphics are an entire generation behind in resolution and quality.
The games at launch are boring.



It's only launchtime though. There will be upgrades, expansions, new games and different controllers that will allow this new product to catch up to where the ps3 is now and where the 360 was a year ago.

 

[Rage187]

480P is NOT HD.

that would make all dvds made in the last 6 years HDDVD.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Originally posted by: Todd33
480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

So, all Televisions support progressive scan eh?

Also, doesn't the Wii support widescreen which means it would be 720x480

Lastly, someone was making the argument that 480p would look crappy upscaled to 1080p. I doubt you'll find a 1080p Tv that doesn't support 480p as a selection.

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch

Originally posted by: Todd33
480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

So, all Televisions support progressive scan eh?

Also, doesn't the Wii support widescreen which means it would be 720x480

Lastly, someone was making the argument that 480p would look crappy upscaled to 1080p. I doubt you'll find a 1080p Tv that doesn't support 480p as a selection.

why should I have to dumb down my old TV to play a NEW system?

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Not everyone has to like everything. I own a Nintendo DS and a Sony PSP, but I use my PSP about 100 times more often than my DS, and that's no exaggeration. In fact, I'm using my PSP right now to listen to music. Sure, the DS (now) has that feature, but I'd have to pay $50 for it. Also, the DS (in my opinion) doesn't have nearly as many good games as the PSP does. I own about 13 PSP games and 5 DS games at the moment. Although I still need to pick up Phoenix Wright and Trauma Surgeon for the DS, I also need to go get Every Extend Extra for the PSP today (incredibly fun game).

What the hell, did you seriously just justify 1 gaming console over another based on which one you listen to music on? Curious what 13 PSP and 5 DS games you own.

But you also have to note, my argument was never a DS vs PSP argument, YOU turned it into that. Nowhere in my post did I mention PSP. I simply noted the fact that Vian can't even understand why people like a console anymore. Which to me shows a fundamental lack of understanding. Sure it's one thing to say that I didn't like NSMB or it wasn't for me, but if you can't understand why anyone would like it then something may be wrong because the release quality for a handheld title was nearly flawless. And to call it "The biggest bullsh!t I've ever seen" cmon, he know someone would respond to that.

 

[RandomFool]

On the resolution and graphics front neither really doesn't matter that much to me. I got bored with the latest, greatest and prettiest games a long time ago. They never seemed worth it to me. At this point I really prefer playing older games that are challenging an fun. I just got done playing n64 Zelda. Sure pretty games are nice to look at but they take something of the game atmosphere out of it for me. Gamecube ended up being my favorite system of them all last generation purely because of some great multiplayer games that came out for it. Monkeyball, smash bros, Mario kart, etc. As for HD I don't have it and won't for a while yet so component is good enough for me. Maybe when I do get it I'll change my tune.

When I do manage to buy a Wii I'll see whether the controller gets old quickly. Right now, I'm looking forward to trying it out.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Not everyone has to like everything. I own a Nintendo DS and a Sony PSP, but I use my PSP about 100 times more often than my DS, and that's no exaggeration. In fact, I'm using my PSP right now to listen to music. Sure, the DS (now) has that feature, but I'd have to pay $50 for it. Also, the DS (in my opinion) doesn't have nearly as many good games as the PSP does. I own about 13 PSP games and 5 DS games at the moment. Although I still need to pick up Phoenix Wright and Trauma Surgeon for the DS, I also need to go get Every Extend Extra for the PSP today (incredibly fun game).

What the hell, did you seriously just justify 1 gaming console over another based on which one you listen to music on? Curious what 13 PSP and 5 DS games you own.

But you also have to note, my argument was never a DS vs PSP argument, YOU turned it into that. Nowhere in my post did I mention PSP. I simply noted the fact that Vian can't even understand why people like a console anymore. Which to me shows a fundamental lack of understanding. Sure it's one thing to say that I didn't like NSMB or it wasn't for me, but if you can't understand why anyone would like it then something may be wrong because the release quality for a handheld title was nearly flawless. And to call it "The biggest bullsh!t I've ever seen" cmon, he know someone would respond to that.

What I read from his post was this:
One product had what he wanted when it came out. The other now has that capability but it wasn't available at release. Although he wasn't mentioning the Wii, PS3, 360 parallels can certainly be made. It's never a good idea to show up late to the game already behind.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Smilin
What I read from his post was this:
One product had what he wanted when it came out. The other now has that capability but it wasn't available at release. Although he wasn't mentioning the Wii, PS3, 360 parallels can certainly be made. It's never a good idea to show up late to the game already behind.

I wouldn't choose between a Wii, PS3 or 360 based on which one played my mp3s best either. I'd buy a freaking iPod. That was my point.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch

Originally posted by: Todd33
480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

So, all Televisions support progressive scan eh?

Also, doesn't the Wii support widescreen which means it would be 720x480

Lastly, someone was making the argument that 480p would look crappy upscaled to 1080p. I doubt you'll find a 1080p Tv that doesn't support 480p as a selection.

why should I have to dumb down my old TV to play a NEW system?

The initial statement I was responding to was not "why doesn't the Wii support HD resolutions", it was "it will look terrible because my Tv will upscale it to 1080".

The response to this statement was "run your tv at 480p".

Direct your silly questions elsewhere

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch

Originally posted by: Todd33
480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

So, all Televisions support progressive scan eh?

Also, doesn't the Wii support widescreen which means it would be 720x480

Lastly, someone was making the argument that 480p would look crappy upscaled to 1080p. I doubt you'll find a 1080p Tv that doesn't support 480p as a selection.

why should I have to dumb down my old TV to play a NEW system?

The initial statement I was responding to was not "why doesn't the Wii support HD resolutions", it was "it will look terrible because my Tv will upscale it to 1080".

The response to this statement was "run your tv at 480p".

Direct your silly questions elsewhere

where did I say "it will look terrible upscaled"? I think your confusing me with another poster.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: skace
What the hell, did you seriously just justify 1 gaming console over another based on which one you listen to music on? Curious what 13 PSP and 5 DS games you own.

But you also have to note, my argument was never a DS vs PSP argument, YOU turned it into that. Nowhere in my post did I mention PSP. I simply noted the fact that Vian can't even understand why people like a console anymore. Which to me shows a fundamental lack of understanding. Sure it's one thing to say that I didn't like NSMB or it wasn't for me, but if you can't understand why anyone would like it then something may be wrong because the release quality for a handheld title was nearly flawless. And to call it "The biggest bullsh!t I've ever seen" cmon, he know someone would respond to that.

I justify my choice in consoles over which one I use more. My DS has seen the light of day for about an hour while playing Final Fantasy VI Advance in the last couple months. My PSP is used nearly every day. Therefore one is more advantageous.

Why did I even mention the PSP? Because the PSP is the Nintendo DS's rival... sounds like a good reason for me to mention it when you go against someone for disliking a DS. Essentially, I'm telling you that I don't care for my DS as much as my PSP. Also, he doesn't have to like the DS just because he bought it and everyone else seems to like it.

Oh and here's my game library for my two portable consoles (from memory!):

PSP:
Lumines
Lumines II
Samurai Warriors
Mega Man Powered Up!
Mega Man Maverick Hunter X
Bleach: Heat the Soul 3 (JPN)
Rengoku: The Tower of Purgatory
Tokobot
Tekken: Dark Ressurection
Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Blade Dancer

DS:
Super Mario Brothers
Starfox DS
Brain Age
Big Brain Academy
Jump Superstars!
Mario Kart DS

I may've missed a PSP game or two. My 13 number may also be based on some games that I sold (Bleach Heat the Soul 2, Go! Sudoku and Naruto Narutimette Portable), which would make sense as removing 1 new game (Lumines II) gives you 10 + 3 (sold) = 13 . Also, it seems I forgot to include the newer game I got for the DS in my figures (Big Brain Academy). I'm planning on getting rid of Jump Superstars though, so it evens out . I'm also planning on buying Every Extend Extra today.

EDIT: Addendum:

Originally posted by: skace
I wouldn't choose between a Wii, PS3 or 360 based on which one played my mp3s best either. I'd buy a freaking iPod. That was my point.

Sorry, I hate to break it to you, but you're not me. I don't base my decisions the way you base yours and I wanted something that could play media (better than an iPod mind you... the PSP has a bigger screen~) and play games. I got exactly what I wanted with a PSP and don't regret ever purchasing it. Holy jumpin' jehosiphat, it's like we're two separate people with two separate opinions or something! My god, what kind of ludicrous notion is that :Q.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch

Originally posted by: Todd33
480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

So, all Televisions support progressive scan eh?

Also, doesn't the Wii support widescreen which means it would be 720x480

Lastly, someone was making the argument that 480p would look crappy upscaled to 1080p. I doubt you'll find a 1080p Tv that doesn't support 480p as a selection.

why should I have to dumb down my old TV to play a NEW system?

The initial statement I was responding to was not "why doesn't the Wii support HD resolutions", it was "it will look terrible because my Tv will upscale it to 1080".

The response to this statement was "run your tv at 480p".

Direct your silly questions elsewhere

where did I say "it will look terrible upscaled"? I think your confusing me with another poster.

I was never refering to you, I was refering to Aikouka