UGH,, so i've been playing Wii all day.

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Smilin
What I read from his post was this:
One product had what he wanted when it came out. The other now has that capability but it wasn't available at release. Although he wasn't mentioning the Wii, PS3, 360 parallels can certainly be made. It's never a good idea to show up late to the game already behind.

I wouldn't choose between a Wii, PS3 or 360 based on which one played my mp3s best either. I'd buy a freaking iPod. That was my point.

Uh. Zelda runs like crap on an iPod. Bad choice

do a search/replace and replace "plays mp3s" with "has feature xyz" and I think Aikouka's point makes more sense (at least how I read it). He wasn't really talking about music playback at all...just using it to illustrate a given feature.

The big missing features for the Wii right now are better graphics, Hi-Def, and a good controller. I can understand why people would be bothered by this.

Moot point to me. I game on my PC so to me: 1080p is low res, The mouse is the ultimate FPS controller and some rumble feature doesn't compare to a full blown flight stick or wheel with force feedback.

 

[skace]

Don't have time to reply to this entire post right now. If you like those Mega Man games, I'm not sure why you haven't played Mega Man ZX.

Also, there is a big difference between not liking something and calling it a piece of sh!t.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: rstrohkirch
I was never refering to you, I was refering to Aikouka

Yes, a 480p output television will display that 480p image quite well. A HDTV that outputs in 1080p will not. You're talking about the HDTV's input abilities. Try resizing a picture from 480p's resolution to 1080p's resolution and see how nice it looks. Even use one of them fancy methods of choosing what pixels to use. Or heck, if I displayed 640x480 on my 20.1" widescreen LCD, that'd be similar to the upscaling you'd see on a 1080p HDTV.

EDIT: Addendum:

Originally posted by: skace
If you like those Mega Man games, I'm not sure why you haven't played Mega Man ZX.

I haven't had a chance to try the new ZX game, but I have a strong feeling that I won't enjoy it, as if I remember correctly, it's based roughly off of some of the same ideas that Megaman Zero (for the GBA) was, and I didn't find that game very enjoyable. I'm the kind of gamer that doesn't like changes in his sagas. Like the change from Platformer to FPS-ish in Metroid bothered me a lot. So, games like MM:MHX and MMU! are just remakes of the games I've enjoyed in the past with some extra added goodies. Although, I still have yet to finish all of the MMU! challenges (they're not that easy), so I still can't play as Protoman.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Avalon
So let's see...the two biggest complaints I'm seeing in this thread are that the graphics aren't as pretty as the competition, and that the system doesn't support a high enough resolution. Why am I not surprised?

Mmm, no actually the complaints so far have been:

The controller is novel but otherwise sucks.
The graphics are an entire generation behind in resolution and quality.
The games at launch are boring.



It's only launchtime though. There will be upgrades, expansions, new games and different controllers that will allow this new product to catch up to where the ps3 is now and where the 360 was a year ago.

Mmm, no actually the complaints so far have been:

1) Posted by the OP, is claiming game is boring and the graphics look like farts.
2) Posted by Rage, he brought up resolution.
3) Another on resolution.
4) My post.

Newhemidude: I'm pretty sure you can only use gamecube controllers with gamecube games on the Wii. Most of the games I've seen require the remote, but I could be wrong (especially with games like Metal Slug Anthology).

Vian: The sensor bar helps the remote track its position. It's very small and thin, and does NOT need to be placed on the TV. I've got mine placed under my TV at the moment. There is an option on your Wii to specify the placement of your sensor bar so it knows where to home in at.

Originally posted by: Todd33
480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

Correct, 480P is EDTV, not HDTV. Enhanced definition is something in between standard def and high def. BTW, 640x480 looks great in Doom 3 and Oblivion IMO. But, my 30" HDTV plays my Wii games at whatever 16:9 res 480P plays in, not 640x480. Looks good to me. Obviously not the best, but as you can tell from my previous posts, I don't care about the best looks.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Yes, a 480p output television will display that 480p image quite well. A HDTV that outputs in 1080p will not. You're talking about the HDTV's input abilities. Try resizing a picture from 480p's resolution to 1080p's resolution and see how nice it looks. Even use one of them fancy methods of choosing what pixels to use. Or heck, if I displayed 640x480 on my 20.1" widescreen LCD, that'd be similar to the upscaling you'd see on a 1080p HDTV.

I guess not to many people should be buying 1080p considering that dvds also play at 720x480. So unless they have a brand new hd-dvd/blue player or watch 100% hd material they'll be stuck with a crap picture.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: Rage187
480P is NOT HD.

that would make all dvds made in the last 6 years HDDVD.

would also make my Kiss DP-1000 a HD DVD player since it packs prog scan! woot!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: VIAN
The resolution complaint is wack, but don't underestimate graphics. Graphics are a part of the gameplay rating.

Only inasmuch as they actually enhance the developer's ability to do things that they couldn't otherwise do. i.e. the jump from SNES to N64 or the jump from N64 to GameCube - those graphical improvements allowed for games that were previously impossible. I think we've reached the point where graphics are no longer a hindrance to developers creating better games. Better graphics no longer enhance gameplay, they just make it look nicer. Meh.

However, I think that Nintendo has created a hype machine that should've sold for less than 200 bucks. The Wii is the same POS that the DS was.

DS is blowing the PSP out of the water. How exactly is it a POS?

A controller should be super comfortable and never get in the way of gaming.

You could say that getting in the way of gaming is exactly what an old style controller DOES. There is nothing inherently better about turning normal motions into meaningless button presses.

By throwing away decades of controller evolution, Nintendo has kicked itself in the ass. The controller itself is a limitation to the creation of games. You'll be playing similar games for the rest of the time you own a Wii, since the controller is too specific. Think of it, you bought it for specificness, not for it's generalness.

I'm starting to wonder if you know at all what you're talking about, or if you've just looked at a picture somewhere and based all of your knowledge of the Wii on that. You don't seem to be aware that the Wii will support the Gamecube controller, and many games will use it as their only means of input. Of course the Wii controller isn't the best input method for EVERY game, but Nintendo has that covered. The Gamecube controller, like the Xbox S/Xbox 360 controller, is a great controller.

And that nunchuk (retarded name) looks uncomfortable to control.

Yeah, I'm sure that's true, and nobody would have noticed it before they released it.

 

[inveterate]

Stop argueing graphics, it is already apparent that they're craptacular. Anything under 1280x1024 is unbareable to a casual pc gamer with a job. I pluged the wii into my 20" lcd 1680x1050 and it looks like my xbox with the x2vga.
FPS are NOT fun on the wii. it's not accurate at all. and at this resolution i can't see anything far away, bad draw distance, I can see glimpse of what could be anistropic filtering in zelda, but it just shimmers still " blurrily " like fart cake.

The fact i'm trying to point out is ,, games are not making up for any of the wii's weaknesses thus far, hense my decision to return this thing.

 

[Homerboy]

The fact i'm trying to point out is ,, games are not making up for any of the wii's weaknesses thus far, hense my decision to return this thing.

and gfx on teh 360/P3 wont make up for those consoles shortcomings either.
You people fail to realize, that even the developers on both sides of the camps have agreed to; that the Wii vs 360/PS3 debate shouldn't be there. They are compliments to each other... not in competition to each other.

 

[torpid]

Graphics don't overcome fun factor shortcomings. I didn't like fear very much for this reason... or doom 3. I played the ps3 demo game, something with vehicles, and the graphics were great. But they look just as good on pause and the game is only marginally more fun when unpaused. Thumbs down, on that game anyway. But fun factor doesn't always overcome graphic shortcomings either. Only sometimes. Never got into Perfect Dark or Goldeneye because of the graphics and severe 3d engine limitations.

I'm impressed the OP played for 6 hours straight. There are only a handful of things I can do for more than 2 hours, much less 6, without getting bored. If I could play wii for 5 hours without getting bored, it will be about 2000% more entertaining than my ps2/xbox, with the exception of DDR which I can play for about an hour before getting bored.

 

[oogabooga]

Wouldn't playing almost anything for that long straight (especially if you're not super into it) lead one to believe the whole thing is bad?

I'm not console fan in general, I don't dislike any I just didn't play them much and still dont. I'm sure if I played an xbox or ps3 (even on a franchise game, FF or xelda) if I didn't get into it and just played 6 hours, i'm sure I'd hate it.

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: Todd33
480P is NOT HD guys. All TVS support 480P. Progressive != HD. HD is defined as 720P, 1080i & 1080P.

If you think 480P is good enough, please set your PC desktop and games to 640x480 and enjoy.

Not all TVs support 480p. If you hook up an Xbox360 and ask them to do 480p on a standard tv it won't let you. Progressive != HD, but I think it's one of the most important factors. Interlacing sucks. When I was looking for a TV to hook up to my 360, I needed progressive, it's what I liked most about HDTV. Progressive showed a nice clean, consistent picture. The higher resolution is nice too, but progressive made all the difference for me. EDTV is what I wanted, however, it was way too expensive, almost as much as an HDTV, so there was no point in getting EDTV.

On my HDTV, I didn't really see too much difference between 480p and 720p. And the only reason I wouldn't play at such a low resolution on my PC is because you can see the division between the rows of pixels, that bothered my eyes, just as interlacing does present a similar effect.

 

[VIAN]

Quotes by: mugs

Only inasmuch as they actually enhance the developer's ability to do things that they couldn't otherwise do. i.e. the jump from SNES to N64 or the jump from N64 to GameCube - those graphical improvements allowed for games that were previously impossible. I think we've reached the point where graphics are no longer a hindrance to developers creating better games. Better graphics no longer enhance gameplay, they just make it look nicer. Meh.

I think Crysis will change all that. And so did Doom3 with it's excellent shadow engine. It used its graphics to instill fear. Adding great value to gameplay. I think that what you mean is that developers don't use graphics to enhance gameplay most of the time, but it is used. Even HL2 used graphics to communicate to the player the characters' emotion.

DS is blowing the PSP out of the water. How exactly is it a POS?

The DS may be the arguably be the better of the two. But in my opinion, both handhelds suck and aren't worth the money. PSP is way too expensive, with multifuntion capabilities that I already own. And to use some of those functions effectively, you have to buy more equipment. The games are more expensive and the loading times on some games are crazy. And the games are just rehashes of PS2 games (which probably isn't that bad if you don't own a PS2). And the screen, holy god. It has so much ghosting. And the DS is just a cheap, uncomfortable gimmick (Metroid). It's probably only winning because it's "nintendo" and it's cheaper.

You could say that getting in the way of gaming is exactly what an old style controller DOES. There is nothing inherently better about turning normal motions into meaningless button presses.

?

I'm starting to wonder if you know at all what you're talking about, or if you've just looked at a picture somewhere and based all of your knowledge of the Wii on that. You don't seem to be aware that the Wii will support the Gamecube controller, and many games will use it as their only means of input. Of course the Wii controller isn't the best input method for EVERY game, but Nintendo has that covered. The Gamecube controller, like the Xbox S/Xbox 360 controller, is a great controller.

And the point of the Wii is? It's 250 bucks why? Why not just get a Gamecube? The Wii, as a new console is BS, especially for the price. You just said it yourself in this paragraph the Wiimote (Wii's gimmick, and major difference from the GC) probably won't be used for all the games and most will probably flock to the old and trusty gamepad.

The 360 controller is the best controller ever. The Gamecube controller isn't too great, it's small, has a Z button in an awkward place, non-standard buttons, a stupid yellow joystick, which is also awkward to use.

Idk why people thought that the N64 controller was awsome. It wasn't. Many times I wished they'd let me use the d-pad for fighting games and racing games and other games, but they forced me to use the joystick. It only came in handy sometimes, like in Mario64. But if it wasn't for that maybe, the 360 controller wouldn't exist today.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

so a lot of wii games will use the gamecube controller? kewl i'm gonna probably get a wii now. I was just thinking how one could play fighting games with the wiimote. it might seem strange to some of you nintendo fans, but I like the regular controllers much better...i dont need a "revolution on the scale and importance of the french revolution" in games becuase they are just that, games.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: giantpinkbunnyhead

Originally posted by: newhemidude
Maybe you guys who already have the Wii can answer this question for me. I've been reading that the Wii games won't let you use the gamecube controllers. You can only use a gamecube controller for a gamecube game.

I guess what I'm wondering---does it force you to use that stupid Wii controller for all Wii games? What if I feel like sitting down(and using a gamecube controller) rather than jumping around like a fool using that Wii controller?

If the Wii takes gamecube controllers, I don't know where they would plug in, unless there's an access panel or something I overlooked. I'd like to find out too, because I'd rather play Zelda without the remote business.

If you buy Gamecube version of Zelda, then you can play the game with a GC controller since Wii is backwards compatible.

Classic controller is currently only used for downloads (this may change of course, as game developers may go back to conventional gamepad), but GC controller can also be used to play downloaded games. Whether the classic controller is compatible with GC games, I would like to know (I want to get RE 4 and such).

 

[Inspector Jihad]

what about a wavebird controller? do I still need to hook up the sensor?

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: inveterate


I can't believe nintendo actually thinks this will fly.

Well, since their million+ unit North American launch sold out, I guess it is flying pretty well.

the real measure of that will be in a few months.

the novelty and the hype have garnered much interest in the wii.... everyones excitied and those who can are buying them. same with the 360....they sold out, PS3 sold out despite its craptacular pricing and bundles.

but in a few months will the novelty still be there? will it still be an exciting alternative?

yeah theyre selling like hot cakes now, but will they still be selling copious amounts next year?

.....

The lucky thing for Nintendo is that they don't have to care. They're actually making money for each unit sold, unlike both MS and Sony. Additionally, 1,000,000+ units sold out in North America alone. That doesn't include the Nintendo fanatics in Japan, the rest of Asia, and the world over.

With that many people having bought the console, that'll be the all the kick in the pants the developers need to develop some decent games, because Nintendo established one helluva consumer base for them.

 

[Rage187]

"And the only reason I wouldn't play at such a low resolution on my PC is because you can see the division between the rows of pixels, that bothered my eyes, just as interlacing does present a similar effect."

ding ding ding, now your starting to understand what 480P on a 1080P monitor looks like, ass.

 

[everman]

I've made it through the first dungeon in Zelda and so far I'd say it's a great game. The motion sensing controls are an interesting feature, they make some things easier while making others more difficult. Overall it's great level design and gameplay. The speaker in the wiimote can get annoying at times though.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: inveterate
Stop argueing graphics, it is already apparent that they're craptacular. Anything under 1280x1024 is unbareable to a casual pc gamer with a job. I pluged the wii into my 20" lcd 1680x1050 and it looks like my xbox with the x2vga.
FPS are NOT fun on the wii. it's not accurate at all. and at this resolution i can't see anything far away, bad draw distance, I can see glimpse of what could be anistropic filtering in zelda, but it just shimmers still " blurrily " like fart cake.

The fact i'm trying to point out is ,, games are not making up for any of the wii's weaknesses thus far, hense my decision to return this thing.

Having a job changes the way your eyes work? Damn, and all this time I thought it was simply genetics.

I game on the PC. I still play games on the Gamecube and they're still fun. I load up my NES emulator on my Dreamcast and play old NES games, and they're still fun.

I guess I'm not following your logic that high resolution = good game. Maybe I need a new job.

 

[VIAN]

Originally posted by: Rage187

"And the only reason I wouldn't play at such a low resolution on my PC is because you can see the division between the rows of pixels, that bothered my eyes, just as interlacing does present a similar effect."

ding ding ding, now your starting to understand what 480P on a 1080P monitor looks like, ass.

If it's upscaled, it wouldn't look bad. Otherwise, it would.

 

[Smilin]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Smilin

Originally posted by: Avalon
So let's see...the two biggest complaints I'm seeing in this thread are that the graphics aren't as pretty as the competition, and that the system doesn't support a high enough resolution. Why am I not surprised?

Mmm, no actually the complaints so far have been:

The controller is novel but otherwise sucks.
The graphics are an entire generation behind in resolution and quality.
The games at launch are boring.



It's only launchtime though. There will be upgrades, expansions, new games and different controllers that will allow this new product to catch up to where the ps3 is now and where the 360 was a year ago.

Mmm, no actually the complaints so far have been:

1) Posted by the OP, is claiming game is boring and the graphics look like farts.
2) Posted by Rage, he brought up resolution.
3) Another on resolution.
4) My post.

Resolution appears to be the big gripe, yes. Given that it's 2006 and the Wii doesn't do HD I could certainly understand. I think you used selective reading to determine this was the only complaint though...



The controller is novel but otherwise sucks....

It could quite possible be that the games out are hardly innovative outside of the controller, which makes them a frivolous expense once the novelty of gyroscopic motion wares thin.

The games at launch are boring...

I'm mad bored with all these games now. rayman is BORING.. wii sports,, plz,, red steel, ehhh,, i got zelda but it's just a crappy game since i'm no fanboy of it..

The graphics are an entire generation behind in resolution and quality....

Remeber when the xbox/ps2 came out, and the 64 looks like farts.. THats the graphics i see on the wii..

Nintendo screwed the pooch by not supporting at least 720P. Yello/Red/White composite cables? I got those 20+ years ago with the NES. Oh, you cna buy component cables for extra and then you cna get 640x480, whoopdie doo, now Nintendo is only behind 2 generations.

heh, are we actually disagreeing about what text is in the thread for all to see?