Do you think that with the appearance of the G3258, and non-Z overclocking, that we will see OEM boxes with H81 chipsets, and G3258 CPUs, that are either pre-overclocked (4.0Ghz should be a walk in the park), or advertised as overclockable?
Or do you think Intel intended that part to be an enthusiast / retail-only part, not for OEMs, and that if OEMs started to offer pre-overclocked systems (I'm talking major brand OEMs, not boutique system-builders), that Intel would scale back their selection of overclocking / overclockable CPUs?
OEMs selling systems factory overclocked was the original worry that caused Intel to specifically lock overclocking down on OEM channel CPUs. At that time, market segmentation was mostly about binning and CPU frequency though I still would not expect Intel to switch gears with this, as allowing OEM overclocking introduces reliability issues, and breaks their market segmentation efforts.
So cute! I'll take two, please. Hopefully, they will prove to be faster than the C-70 NanoPCs.
Wonder how slow the eMMC is? Or if you can boot off of the SD card slot? (Put Linux Mint 17 on an SD card, and boot if that way, and leave Win8.1 on the eMMC dormant.)
Though you can get USB3 memory sticks which are very fast these days, so that's an option too.
Yeah, though one would hope they might start bringing up the clocks on the lowly dual cores a bit moving forward, this would help to differentiate performance of newer CPUs a bit
.....And that is sad too.
And probably a sign of the poor value we see in budget desktop these days.
But I think change is looming on the horizon. (Pentium G3258 is an encouraging sign of progress for value chips)
A8-7600 is not a bad concept for Pre-built either, though DDR3 1600 will hurt performance. I only wish the price would drop on those. (Too bad the GDDR5 thing fell through for AMD and they got stuck with such a large die for Kaveri)
Yeah, though one would hope they might start bringing up the clocks on the lowly dual cores a bit moving forward, this would help to differentiate performance of newer CPUs a bit, as of now you'd be hard pressed to tell between the last 3 gens of similarly priced CPUs aside from benchmarks.
Prebuilt? Dosent matter if it has an overclocked octacore with 64GB of memory and quad SLI... they will still load it up with junkware that brings it to a crawl.
poor value? i got a haswell i3 with more hard drive than i'll ever need for office tasks for $400. what's poor about that? the only thing disappointing was that i can't get samsung magic ram from microcenter for $17 anymore.
Pre-built budget desktops are not a poor against budget DIY desktops (which in my opinion need a lot of help from Intel these days.....pentium g3258 helps a lot though).
...but rather these pre-built desktops (particularly celeron and pentium.....especially atom based ones) are a poor value compared to laptops IMO.
Ideally, I would like to see consumers want to buy both budget laptop and desktop.....instead of thinking to themselves that their laptop is almost as good as that Celeron or Pentium SFF desktop on the shelf.
That was the conclusion that I came to as well. I figured that for $150, an Atom desktop was a poor value, considering that I was able to get a complete N2830 laptop, with screen, etc., for only $230....but rather these pre-built desktops (particularly celeron and pentium.....especially atom based ones) are a poor value compared to laptops IMO.
I was at my local Staples store, and there is a coupon for $100 off clearance computers until Aug 30. They had two desktop PCs listed, one for $249.99, one for $279.99.
Edit: Those were the CLEARANCE prices, list prices stated on the sign was $399.99 ea, I believe.
I was surprised that no-one picked them up for $100 off already. Then I googled the specs.
The $249.99 Dell was a J1800 Celeron (Bay Trail-D Atom). The $279.99 one was an HP, I think, with an A4 in it (small core).
Although both were quad-cores, they just didn't seem powerful enough to waste $150-170 on.
The "race to the bottom", including the introduction of Atom / Kabini into desktop PCs, sold for as much as $400 list (4GB / 500GB), is also partially what is killing the desktop market.
Along with the stagnation of the higher-end Core CPUs as far as absolute performance goes (and how much does 10W of power consumption matter on the desktop? Not a whit, to most people).
If I were an average desktop user, and my PC was five years old, and I went into a store and purchased a brand-new budget-class PC, and found out that it was in fact SLOWER than my five-year-old PC, I think that I would be turned off of desktop PCs forever.
I can understand Atom and Kabini / Beema in laptops. Power-consumption is king there, as long as you have adequate or better performance. I don't fault Intel or AMD for pushing their small-core lines there.
But desktops? What garbage!
I would rather have a five-year-old Walmart-special desktop, with 4GB of RAM (removable, not soldered in), and an AMD Athlonn II X2 250 rig, than a modern Atom rig, even with quad-core. (Because the Athlon II has superior single-threaded performance.)
heres a bangin axe bargain on a board/cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...=Combo.1816185
That's a good deal, thanks. I wouldn't likely go for it though, no HDMI.
I remember when i bought an atom netbook (3rd gen atom) at costco. something like 90% return rate because it is such crud. so they actually made sure there are people there explaining to you that it is going to be slow.
of course, I didn't realize "slow" would be 10 minutes to open MS word. Never bothered with this junk since.
The desktop market isn't "dying". it is still the largest market and its still growing. it is just growing significantly slower than laptops, but this trend will NOT continue because:
Not unless it's in a small cute case that hooks up to your TV. If it's in a standard-sized tower, I call it a desktop, even with an Atom CPU. Those are the PCs I'm primarily complaining about.Also, an atom in a desktop format is called a nettop.
I had forgotten about that. I guess I'm going to check Intel's ARK now, for the N2830. I posted a review to BB about my laptop I purchased, and claimed that it had 4GB fixed RAM amount, and someone responded in a comment and claimed that you can, in fact, upgrade the RAM to 8GB. Which would be really nice.The biggest problem with atom is its ram limitations.
Oh, I vehemently agree! My P35 boards from 2007 have 8GB (maxed out). My Thuban rig, and a relative's G1610 rig each have 16GB of RAM. I much prefer motherboards with four (or more!) RAM slots. Two is pretty limiting. (Have to pay for 8GB sticks.)4GB is the absolutely bare minimum in 2014. And I would recommend that everyone get at least 8GB
Not unless it's in a small cute case that hooks up to your TV. If it's in a standard-sized tower, I call it a desktop, even with an Atom CPU. Those are the PCs I'm primarily complaining about.
I love these processors in small form factors. I wish they make small form factors for the desktop as well (we call them cheap home theater pcs that connect to your tv)
Yes I know, note that is the awful 32nm clovertrail generation, and that prices I do not believe includes an OS. I used to sell computer I know how overpriced the OEMs made these small computers when in reality it is cheaper for them to make it small vs those big expensive boxes. The MSRP of these type of computers with OS should always be sub $300 and really sub $250 and this is before sales and such.they do make them in small form factor
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...eywords=nettop
and they are pretty awful in that form factor too.
as someone who's been shopping for a desktop the last two weeks, i totally agree. J1900 is a joke for desktops especially at $300. It's essentially the same as the original atom netbooks that came out a few years ago. everyone was ranting and raving about how good they were, except that they sucked for what they were trying to do.
Sure, you could say its one big scam and hurts consumers. but what is new under the sun? scams always existed and at least this is an easily identified one.