Well then we can’t say. If a biologically male person says they identify as a female in a gender sense then obviously they aren’t delusional. Only an idiot would think that. Gender is purely a social construct after all, we can make it whatever we want.
No. My contention is that people men who truly think they are women, or vice versa, are deluded.
He said he has literally never met one, haha.What you think is up to you. Why you think it matters to anyone else is an interesting question though. You seem peculiarly hung up on this issue for someone who (I'm assuming) has little contact with transgender people. I work with quite a few of them and they are just a bunch of people with varied personalities and experiences. You seem to think that they are one homogeneous group that just exists to piss you off.
Do you think all religious people are deluded? (I know, thsts a really low hanging fruit question)
Yes if someone who is biologically male believes they are biologically female they are deluded.But if he meant it in the biological sense, he would be delusional, correct?
He said he has literally never met one, haha.
You are correct, you are merely making statements about what a group thinks when you don’t know a single one, not a group you have never met.I didn't say that. I said I didn't know any. If you're going to claim what I literally said, please say what I literally said. Of course I've met them before.
It would be easier if we simply acknowledged a third or even spectrum of genders instead of flat earthing biology.
Sex doesn’t equal gender because they are literally two different things. It’s like asking why hamburgers aren’t hot dogs.It would be easier if we simply acknowledged that sex is binary, and gender = sex. We do not need to complicate it by making up a conflict between fantastical societal constructs. Why is it incumbent upon me to accept something that is completely abstract and departed from a simple reality? Without society there would be no "gender" as others want to define it. We would simply be born as our sex and not give it another thought.
This is a social issue via a made up social construct. What makes anyone's version of it definitive and better than anyone else's? What makes sex = gender a position that should be abandoned? Maybe this is how I am broken, and my feelings betray walking better path. But is it wrong to want people taught to accept themselves for who they are, body included? Is kindling the idea of gender a better alternative and am I simply blind to it?
We don't know. All we know is that he said he is, in fact, a woman.
Why would someone seek sex reassignment surgery? Why would someone seek to cover their body in tattoos? Or take steroids to bulk their muscles when they weren't competing in bodybuilding or any sport where the steroids would provide a competitive advantage? Why would someone choose to be a mountain climber and not routinely wear a harness? Or skydive even with precautions?
Of course, to feel insulted, they would already have to carry the seeds of doubt that the bias Atreus shows, at least in my opinion, has validity. Where he goes wrong in my opinion is that he holds an unconscious assumption that he can distinguish differences in what people do and what they say. What they do and what they say in his mind, are colored by his belief system, and the unconscious assumption that his belief system will provide him with objective fact. The blindness of all bigots is based on this presupposition that they hold an objective moral system, that the color that lens lends to their view of reality is actual reality but is only the result of the worship of sacred cows that can't be examined for fear that the loss of those cows denies them a basis for any belief in the good. “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”, said before he said, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit".Glad we agree that you cannot find a single solitary person who says the thing you claim they believe. Not even one.
What’s weird is that I’ve known a number of transgender people in my life and I’m pretty sure all of them would be deeply insulted by the ignorance you’re displaying here.
The real issue though is that for centuries conservatives have been abusing and persecuting these people through govt and the law. And now that's changing, and they desperately fear being done unto as they have done unto and would still do unto if they still could.
Yup, religion has had the run of the place for a long time. Losing grip sent them into full nutter panic mode.Amazing how hard it is for conservatives to let people live their own lives as they choose to and when it harms no one else that they can't even exercise common courtesy about it.
The real issue though is that for centuries conservatives have been abusing and persecuting these people through govt and the law. And now that's changing, and they desperately fear being done unto as they have done unto and would still do unto if they still could.
The thing that bothers me is when they pretend to care about high school girls’ track they expect us to pretend to believe them too.No! They really care about fairness in MMA!
Also this is the UK. We REALLY don't care about high school sports here!The thing that bothers me is when they pretend to care about high school girls’ track they expect us to pretend to believe them too.
It would be easier if we simply acknowledged that sex is binary, and gender = sex. We do not need to complicate it by making up a conflict between fantastical societal constructs. Why is it incumbent upon me to accept something that is completely abstract and departed from a simple reality? Without society there would be no "gender" as others want to define it. We would simply be born as our sex and not give it another thought.
This is a social issue via a made up social construct. What makes anyone's version of it definitive and better than anyone else's? What makes sex = gender a position that should be abandoned? Maybe this is how I am broken, and my feelings betray walking better path. But is it wrong to want people taught to accept themselves for who they are, body included? Is kindling the idea of gender a better alternative and am I simply blind to it?
But within the context of this conversation, you are taking a hot dog, grinding it up and calling it a hamburger. On the one hand, does it really matter? On the other hand, there is a reason that words have meaning. Meanings can also change.Sex doesn’t equal gender because they are literally two different things. It’s like asking why hamburgers aren’t hot dogs.
What we can’t get rid of is biology. Gender is a construct, yet most gender norms also reflect certain biological realities...for instance, marketing baby dolls to the maternal instinct of little girls.We can’t get rid of gender even if we wanted to because it’s not a consciously created construct. More importantly what it means to be male or female is different in every culture so if we said sex and gender were the same thing that means we would have to deny reality.
Exactly, words have meaning. When conservatives try and pretend that sex and gender are interchangeable they are mangling the meaning of those words. They are free to do that of course but they can’t expect other people to indulge their delusions.But within the context of this conversation, you are taking a hot dog, grinding it up and calling it a hamburger. On the one hand, does it really matter? On the other hand, there is a reason that words have meaning. Meanings can also change.
Well I can’t speak for the aliens but we as humans most certainly study the gender roles of ancient civilizations that have come before us.What we can’t get rid of is biology. Gender is a construct, yet most gender norms also reflect certain biological realities...for instance, marketing baby dolls to the maternal instinct of little girls.
I call it flat earthing biology because most liberals criticize religious conservatives for ignoring science, yet from a pure scientific and evolutionary standpoint, sex is a fact based classification system developed by evolution to ensure the survival of the species, where gender is about “the feels”.
If our species were to go extinct, and millions of years from now, an alien species were to study our remains, would gender even factor into how they classify humans?
Gender is simply another way for people to communicate their role in society. Respect shouldn’t require a periodic table of classifications.
And having said all that, I think its ridiculous for girl athletes with the biological advantages of males to compete against biological females, even though I also acknowledge that religious conservatives are exploiting this inequity.
I am not attacking anyone. This is simply a conversation.Exactly, words have meaning. When conservatives try and pretend that sex and gender are interchangeable they are mangling the meaning of those words. They are free to do that of course but they can’t expect other people to indulge their delusions.
Well I can’t speak for the aliens but we as humans most certainly study the gender roles of ancient civilizations that have come before us.
When you call it ‘flat earthing biology’ you are doing the same thing as Atreus is, conflating sex and gender when they aren’t the same thing. You’re misusing words and then attacking other people for not doing the same.
Liberals are not pretending anything, they are simply stating the objective, undeniable truth. You’re creating a straw man here just to argue that liberals are somehow wrong or equally wrong.I am not attacking anyone. This is simply a conversation.
Liberals like to pretend that sex and gender are separate terms, but there is a correlation between them. Take the term “mother”. There is both a biological and gender role interpretation of that term, to include its origin.
How many gender nonbinary prehistoric men have archaeologists uncovered?
I notice you keep dodging the points that don’t support your assertions.Liberals are not pretending anything, they are simply stating the objective, undeniable truth. You’re creating a straw man here just to argue that liberals are somehow wrong or equally wrong.
As far as cultures with third or fourth genders here you go:
Third gender - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
This is irrelevant to the fact that gender is something entirely different than sex and when conservatives pretend not to understand that they can’t expect the rest of us to pretend along with them.I notice you keep dodging the points that don’t support your assertions.
I’ve read that wikipedia article a few times. Even those third and fourth gender cultures anchor their definitions to a binary core, and the basis for that binary in human evolution is sex.
Male
Female
Other
OR
Masculine male
Feminine male
Feminine female
Masculine female
I am not attacking anyone. This is simply a conversation.
Liberals like to pretend that sex and gender are separate terms, but there is a correlation between them. Take the term “mother”. There is both a biological and gender role interpretation of that term, to include its origin.
How many gender nonbinary prehistoric men have archaeologists uncovered?